Kerry campaign deeply saddned by Reagans death.(Can't imagine why.)

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Monday, June 7, 2004 10:17 a.m. EDT
Kerry's Former Campaign Manager: I Dreaded Reagan's Passing

Sen. John Kerry's former presidential campaign manager said Monday that he'd been "dreading" the prospect of Ronald Reagan's death because it was likely to give President Bush a major political boost.

"I've been dreading this every election year for three cycles," said Jim Jordan, who resigned from the Kerry campaign last year, in comments to the New York Times. "Bush has totally attached himself to Ronald Reagan. He's going to turn Reagan into his own verifier."

Kerry campaign aides said they hoped the political impact of Reagan's death would fade by the summer, but top Republicans believe that the many Americans will view Bush as the Republican icon's rightful political heir.

"The parallels are there. I don't know how you miss them," Republican National Committee chief Ed Gillespie told the Times, an apparent reference to the fact that the hallmarks of both the Bush and Reagan presidencies have been strengthening national defense and cutting taxes.

Another problem for the Kerry campaign: Kerry himself was a staunch Reagan critic who worked hard at undermining his anti-communist initiatives.

As an early backer of the nuclear freeze movement, Kerry made common cause with European leftists who denounced Reagan as a reckless cowboy for countering Soviet SS-20 missile emplacements in Eastern Europe with U.S. Pershing IIs.

More dramatically, Kerry made a highly publicized trip to Nicaragua in 1985 to offer support for Soviet-backed Sandinista leader Daniel Ortega. A photo documenting the episode shows Kerry shaking the hand of Ortega, who flew off to Moscow the next week to cement military ties with the Politboro.

Kerry even criticized Reagan for being too aggressive in the war on terrorism, blasting him for bombing Libyan dictator Col. Gadafy's presidential compound in 1986 after Gadafy had been linked to an attack on a Berlin disco frequented by U.S. troops.

In a 1986 letter unearthed by radio host Sean Hannity for his recent book, "Deliver Us From Evil," Kerry wrote:

"It is obvious that our response was not proportional to the disco bombing and even violated the Administration's own guidelines to hit clearly defined terrorist targets, thereby minimizing the risk to innocent civilians."

Kerry added that it was a "mistake" for Reagan to have targeted the "head of state of another country - no matter how repugnant we find the leader."

"We are not going to solve the problem of terrorism with this kind of retaliation," he concluded.
 

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Sounds a whole lot like Newsmax-grade bullshit to me.
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First off, see Senator Kerry's very sincere comments here.

Second off, this laundry list of complaints against Kerry sounds like the first truly good things I've heard about the man:

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As an early backer of the nuclear freeze movement, Kerry made common cause with European leftists who denounced Reagan as a reckless cowboy for countering Soviet SS-20 missile emplacements in Eastern Europe with U.S. Pershing IIs.
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If dropping off nukes in other nation's yards as a deterrent to still other nations from launching nukes at those nations is not reckless cowboy behaviour, please tell me what is.

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More dramatically, Kerry made a highly publicized trip to Nicaragua in 1985 to offer support for Soviet-backed Sandinista leader Daniel Ortega. A photo documenting the episode shows Kerry shaking the hand of Ortega, who flew off to Moscow the next week to cement military ties with the Politboro.
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This is a negative, no doubt about it.

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Kerry even criticized Reagan for being too aggressive in the war on terrorism, blasting him for bombing Libyan dictator Col. Gadafy's presidential compound in 1986 after Gadafy had been linked to an attack on a Berlin disco frequented by U.S. troops.

In a 1986 letter unearthed by radio host Sean Hannity for his recent book, "Deliver Us From Evil," Kerry wrote:

"It is obvious that our response was not proportional to the disco bombing and even violated the Administration's own guidelines to hit clearly defined terrorist targets, thereby minimizing the risk to innocent civilians."
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Kerry's comments are factual, not opinion. The disco bombing "response" was as much a terrorist action as the bombing itself; it just had the sheen of Teflon™ and so made it past most people's moral radar.

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Kerry added that it was a "mistake" for Reagan to have targeted the "head of state of another country - no matter how repugnant we find the leader."
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I'm all for assassinating politicians -- all of them, as a matter of fact -- but for an American head of state to attempt to do so while operating under the auspices of an official ban on state assassination is foolhardy (and actually, factually illegal.)

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"We are not going to solve the problem of terrorism with this kind of retaliation," he concluded.
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Hey, guess what? Eighteen years later, I think it's time for Republicans to concede the point here. Reagan's murder of Ghadafi's daughter did not appear to stem the tide of terrorism one whit.

Seriously, Patriot, Kerry is such a fúcknut; how could you possibly find a right-wing "news" source so rabid that it actually makes Kerry look good? Amazing.


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I wish Reagan would have used his right fist to have pounded Kerry into the ground neck deep. Kerry is the epitome of liberalism.
 

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Seriously, I think it's great that ahead of this week's scheduled pagan idolatry surrounding Reagan's corpse that you managed to find an ultra-right-wing site that not only highlights a few of the Gipper's worst moments, but actually manages to make Kerry look good by comparison. If Newsmax or Free Republic or whatever digital toilet paper published that article hadn't brought that up most people would have never known what sort of things this insignificant twat Kerry was up to in the 80's. I really do have a very small speck of respect for the man now, almost enough to get me past his uncanny resemblance to one of the talking trees in The Wizard of Oz.


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You all have to admit. The flags flying at half staff sure look good this time around.

Phaedrus,

What books on Reagan would a neocon like myself enjoy reading? Have you read the essays by Reagan yet?
 

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"Kerry campaign deeply saddned by Reagans death.(Can't imagine why.)"

Duh! The man just died and despite how corrupt his administration was, history is letting him go down as a hero, nobody looking to get elected is going to say a bad word about him.

I tell ya, you see a title to a post like that and you understand why they say common sense is the least common of the senses.
 

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I've read stuff that Reagan has written in the past, but never a collection of essays - such might well exist though.

Don't get me wrong -- I actually have a bit of respect for Reagan relative to most other politicians. I just feel that he was grossly over-rated, and that posterity is only as kind to him as it is because of the tragic circumstances under which he left the world. When he went public with Alzheimer's I knew then that the world at large would never have an ill word to say about the way he sold out American integrity with the hostage situation, the hyprocrisy of his dealings with Iraq and Iran during the war between those nations, the whole Nicaragua thing, the baffling idiocy that was Reaganomics, etc.

America and the world at large not only forgave him all of these transgressions, but painted him up as a comic book hero with crediting him for ending the Cold War, a ludicrous assertion itself that detracts from his image, not adds to it -- because while he did not end the Cold War he played a pivotal role and set the example of statesmanship and cooperation without compromise that contemporaries from Thatcher to Tito to Pope John Paul II to Gorbachev all followed, and which together led to the end of the Cold War. One of his greatest strengths and contributions to history is tucked away in the back of the book in order to build an altar to the man, and I find it sickening -- and cannot help but wonder whether or not he would share my revulsion were he able to witness it from afar.

This is not too far-fetched an idea, after all -- President Washington would have been nothing short of mortified to see himself on stamps and currency, a despicable practice of monarchs since time immemorial that America managed to avoid for nearly a century and a half (our first coin with a politician on it was the Lincoln cent, which came out in 1909.) I honestly believe that Reagan would be ashamed of the Killer Klown from Kalifornia image that the Republican party has built around his memory.


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Do you remember the days of Jimmy Carter? I sure do and those were days of doom. REAL DOOM! I would hate to see where America would be now, without Ronald Reagan.
 

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If Bush tries to wrap himself in and around Reagan, Kerry (or his advisors) should try to point out the glaring differences -- Reagan was a uniter and the "great communicator", Shrub is teerribly divisive and, well, need I even comment on his communication skills.

Having a policy of "tax cuts and national defense" is all well anf good but when Reagan cut taxes in the early 80's they actually were too high relatively and the cuts, by in large, made sense. National security is always a great theme but Bush as much as he may try to cloud the truth Bush simply has not been effective in that area.

I think I'm gonna be ill if Bush tries to invoke Reagan constantly on the trail. The two are worlds apart.
 

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"I would hate to see where America would be now, without Ronald Reagan."

We had to recover from the Reagan era more than we benefited from it.
 

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posted by jointpleasures:
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What books on Reagan would a neocon like myself enjoy reading? Have you read the essays by Reagan yet?
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Well, it's not a book but you might enjoy this.


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