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Except this new information came from testimony in court. Nothing to do with the Media.

I stand by my opinion that if JoePa had lived he would have been more thoroughly investigated for his cover ups.

unless all sides of any story are reported on and done so accurately, it's always about what's being reported

obviously, this is a one sided story, even if it is so by default

I do concur however, if he were alive there would probably be more to this story, but I'm not sure if that's a blessing or a curse for JoePa
 
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Schiano, Bradley deny witnessing, suspecting Sandusky abuse http://www.thescore.com/news/1058642

Greg Schiano, who served as an assistant coach at Penn State in the early 1990s, denies he was ever aware of Jerry Sandusky's child molestation.
"I never saw any abuse, nor had reason to suspect any abuse, during my time at Penn State," Schiano said Tuesday, according to ESPN's Adam Schefter.
Related: Paterno told of Sandusky abuse in 1976, testimony in unsealed docs shows
Schiano, who is now the defensive coordinator at Ohio State, and current UCLA defensive coordinator Tom Bradley were alleged to have been aware of Sandusy's abuse in documents unsealed by a Pennsylvania court earlier Tuesday.
In a statement put out Tuesday afternoon by his representative, Bradley also denied having any knowledge of Sandusky's abuse:
At no time did Tom Bradley ever witness any inappropriate behavior. Nor did he have any knowledge of alleged incidents in the '80s and '90s. He has consistently testified as such. Any assertions to the contrary are false. When he became aware of the 2001 incident it had already been reported to the University administration years earlier.
Former Penn State assistant Mike McQueary testified In a deposition from an insurance case in 2015 that Bradley told him Schiano said he witnessed Sandusky touching a boy in the shower, saying: "I can't remember if it was one night or one morning, but that Greg had come into his office white as a ghost and said that he just saw Jerry doing something to a boy in the shower. And that's it. That's all he ever told me."

Well Schiano and Bradley both have to lie now. What else are they going to say, their career's would be over. Duh.
 

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mcqery's career is over. No one will hire him. So now he starting to take down everyone else.
 

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5 YEARS and still no trial for this slam dunk case of a cover up

The only developments have been the NCAA slowly but surely backing down to save face

No one blames the Second Mile ( where Jerry actually was working ) its all Joes fault and a Penn State thing

So here's the question not one of these "journalists" (and I use that term loosely) has bothered to ask regarding these claims. Assuming for a moment that every allegation is true, why does Paterno suddenly decide to report Sandusky in '01? After 40 years of "turning a blind eye" or "covering" for him, what makes the '01 incident the one that makes him suddenly decide he needs to take it up the chain? There is no logical explanation for him to suddenly decide to make a report after 40 years of "not caring."

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Viral ‘Joe Paterno Knew’ Headlines Are Not Remotely Credible

by John Ziegler | 8:53 am, May 7th, 2016
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For most of the past five years I have somehow found myself in the bizarre position of, despite having no connection at all to Penn State, having investigated the entire Jerry Sandusky case in greater depth than anyone else on the planet.
I have made a documentary film defending Joe Paterno against what I strongly perceived as a crazed rush to judgment and written two online “books” about how my view of the case has evolved as I learned more about it than any person should ever have to endure (especially without getting paid). I have done two major Today Show interviews with Matt Lauer on the case, and I have even been arrested for simply attending a related event where I had a ticket in my own name.
So you might imagine my shock and sadness when I learned from the news media late last week that presumably all of my incredibly hard work had been completely wasted. After all, we now “know” that Joe Paterno not only covered up for Jerry Sandusky’s crimes, but he did so for far longer (since 1976?!, 1971?!) than anyone ever had thought even possible. We “know” this because every single major media outlet told us so; many without even using the word “allegedly” in their headlines.
Of course, all know that if everyone in the news media is saying the same thing, then it can not possibly be wrong. Surely to make such a damning accusation against a man, especially one who is dead and can’t even defend himself, the evidence of this must be overwhelming!
At the very least, someone must have written a book about this for a major publisher and had done a live interview with “Good Morning America” in order to make their extremely old claim be perceived by the media as so instantly credible.
Right?
Well, hardly. In fact, the reporting on this “story” is so embarrassingly bad it makes the media’s pathetic “We found OJ Simpson’s knife!” obsession from earlier this year seem like it is deserving of journalism awards.
Here is how the sudden series deceitful headline-based stories really began…
Penn State has paid out almost $100 million to the alleged victims of Jerry Sandusky. This is a process which has been shrouded in secrecy. There are no public records of any of the investigation or vetting which may (or, more likely, given the circumstances as I know them) or may not been done with the individual claims.
The insurance company which covered Penn State went to court to fight their obligation to reimburse the university for the money they paid out in settlements. As a part of that process, apparently the judge presiding over the case was told by the insurance company of several allegations made by the accusers which they thought bolstered their case that Penn State had forfeited its right to be covered.
In his ruling opinion, the judge then made a passing, less than one sentence, mention of one of the accusers having claimed, at least thirty-six years after the fact, that he told Joe Paterno as a young person in 1976 that Jerry Sandusky sexually abused him.
That’s it. No name was given. No details of the story or even a quote from a deposition or interview. No corroborating evidence. No explanation why this story had never been told to anyone else, including the many agencies investigating the case, even after it became a massive news story.
In short, there was no reason at all to believe this claim, except that it apparently came from a “Sandusky accuser,” which, in the collective mind of the news media, means that the accusation might as well have been found on a stone tablet on the top of a mountain where it was located on the site of a lighting strike.
Now, in a normal case, this might at least be called a “good lead” and would result in an actual investigation of the claim to determine its level of credibility before ever being reported. However, as I know better than anyone, this is not a remotely “normal” case.
In this case however, any such allegation should be automatically viewed with extreme skepticism (the opposite of how all allegations in this case have been seen) because of the massive amounts of money which are at stake. Sandusky accusers have been paid, with no civil trial, on average about three million dollars for apparently nothing more than a statement (with no cross examination) of their abuse and an agreement to not pursue any further legal claims.
I have intimate knowledge of the Sandusky settlement process which I am not a liberty to divulge at this time. However, I can say with great certitude that the bar for getting approved was extremely low and rather specific. Two of the primary elements they required were a direct connection to Penn State and to Sandusky’s charity, The Second Mile.
Here is where the 1976 allegation of Paterno’s knowledge begins to break down before it even gets out of the starting gate. You see The Second Mile wasn’t formed until 1977. This means that the accuser in this situation had two huge hurdles preventing him from getting a settlement. His age (by 2011 which is the earliest he could have possibly come forward) put him way outside the statute of limitations, and he had no possible connection to the charity.
This would have meant that Penn State could have easily dismissed his claim as not being eligible, unless he had some sort of “special circumstance,” such as an extreme connection to Penn State (ideally with something the news media would want to report on should a settlement be rejected). Well, this is how, in a logical world, the story of him having told Joe Paterno of his abuse in 1976 was born.
In my highly educated opinion, this accuser, faced with being shut out and under guidance from an attorney who knew the lay of the land, suddenly decided to play the “Paterno Card” in a “Hail Mary” attempt to save a claim which was may have very well been bogus (there is no evidence that either the Attorney General’s or Louis Freeh’s office were ever told of this “bombshell” allegation, and there absolutely would be if that had happened).
It appears that, in this case, Penn State, which has had a bizarre and greatly misunderstood disincentive to defend itself and its employees from the beginning of this fiasco, allowed that desperation pass to be completed without even token opposition.
I am convinced that this is what had to have happened not just because it is a scenario which is perfectly logically and completely consistent with the rest of the facts of this case. I am also quite confident that this series of events explains the truth because the alternative explanation (the one bought instantly by the news media without even a cursory thought) is totally ludicrous.
Even if you presume Sandusky was a monster and a criminal mastermind (having interviewed him for hours on multiple occasions while in prison, I strongly suspect he is neither) and Paterno was a complete fraud who cared far more about football than the safety of kids, the 1976 story is completely nonsensical.
We are being asked to believe that in 1976, a boy somehow has the ability and courage to come up to Joe Paterno (but never speak about this publicly for forty years, even as a middle-aged adult when the story becomes an international sensation) and tell him that his assistant coach sexually abused him. Paterno then, despite the fact that Sandusky is at that time an unknown and low-level assistant coach, not only doesn’t go to the police or the kid’s parents, but he doesn’t even fire Sandusky?!
Even more ridiculous, Paterno promotes Sandusky to defensive coordinator the very next year in 1977?! Topping off the insanity, Paterno also allows Sandusky to then start a charity for at risk kids, an organization which will have close ties for the next thirty-four years to the university and football program to which Paterno devoted his entire life?!
Seriously?!
In a remotely fair media world the (decidedly “unviral”) headline for this story should have been, “Absurd Allegations Against Paterno Raise Questions About Accuser Credibility.”
This entire scenario is not only ridiculous in a vacuum, but it also contradictory to nearly everything we previously knew about the case (from actual testimony under oath, documentation, and that sort of stuff).
If this 1976 story is somehow true, then why would Paterno suddenly “fire” (he didn’t) a much more influential and famous Sandusky as the media likes to pretend happened in 1999 after Sandusky was exonerated in a 1998 DA investigation? And if Paterno “knew” all along, why was he supposedly so hesitant to come down on Sandusky in 2001 after he was no longer even part of the football program and they were famously not friendly (please don’t give me the avoidance of “negative publicity” nonsense as numerous other situations, including the Dennis Hastert scandal, have shown that no one would have cared very much had a former coach been found to be such a criminal)? And why did Paterno suddenly become the prosecution’s star witness ten years later when the Mike McQueary episode finally made it to a grand jury?
It all simply makes no sense, while the alternative scenario I outlined previously fits with everything we know about human nature and the totality of the facts in this case.
Unfortunately, the modern news media now lacks the patience, expertise, or even interest to examine even the basic facts of a complex story, especially when a viral headline like “Joe Paterno Knew of Jerry Sandusky Abuse” can be so easily had with no accountability when it inevitably turns out to be balderdash (for the record, if the 1976 allegation is ever remotely proven I pledge to take down my website on the case and donate $10,000 to Matt Sandusky’s foundation for sex abuse victims).
Once these unvetted settlement allegations started to leak, the floodgates quickly open as the news media sensed the ability to reconfirm a narrative to which they had rushed but that had been falling apart in the last couple of years (it should be noted that the Penn State administrators charged with a cover up have still never faced trial and that most of the charges against them have been dropped).
CNN (through Sara Ganim, a reporter, whose entire career is completely invested in the current narrative) came out with a far more specific, but incredibly dubious, report on a man who claims that he told Paterno about abuse over the phone in 1971. Here are the giant problems with that story:

  • The accuser is not identified and CNN inexplicably withheld their report on him for “a year.”
  • The accuser is quoted as saying he isn’t even sure he spoke to Paterno and the only contemporaneous evidence to support his story comes from a man who very recently tweeted that he “respected Joe until the scandal broke in 2011.”
  • The accuser’s allegation includes Sandusky giving him beer and pot after being picked up by Jerry while hitchhiking. Not one trial accuser ever claimed use of drugs or alcohol to ply them and the idea that he would casually have those items in his car goes against everything everyone I have ever spoken to about Sandusky has said about his very strict views on both.
  • This accuser, despite huge animus now, never came forward until after Paterno was fired (forty years later) and it was clear Penn State was going to pay out huge financial settlements.
  • As is almost always the situation in this case, his story does not come with it even a hint of an actual date. However, bizarrely, and perhaps tellingly, the original version of CNN’s story listed the accuser as 62 years old. This contradicted the story’s own reporting that he was 15 in 1971 (he would have been 17, which would make the allegations even less believable and put him completely outside the age range of every other accuser). CNN quietly changed the accuser’s age to 60 after those following the story on Twitter noticed the problem.
  • This accuser also took a financial settlement from Penn State for his story, but CNN reports that the settlement makes no mention of Paterno having been informed of the allegation.
  • This person, described as a “troubled kid” also claims to have been badly abused by a Catholic priest before having ever met Sandusky, leaving open the real chance that either he transposed a real account onto Sandusky, or he is simply a story-teller.
In any other case, I submit to you that such a set of facts would not have even passed the standard for being reported, just as CNN refrained from doing here until it was suddenly safe and “newsworthy” to do so. Unfortunately, Penn State’s totally bogus settlement process has been used by the media as a rubber stamp of “truth” on nonsensical allegations which were clearly rewarded with huge financial payouts.
Over the past five years, I have witnessed first-hand a staggering amount of misinformation reported about this entire situation, but this most recent example of “Media Malpractice” is among the worst I have ever witnessed in my entire career. It should greatly concern anyone in the media or legal professions with a conscience. It is also only the tip of the iceberg on the distortions and injustice in this case. Should you be interested in the amazing real truth, I urge you to get in touch with me.
John Ziegler is a documentary filmmaker and a nationally-syndicated radio talk show host. You can follow him on Twitter via @ZigManFreud
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Like I said Bruce thinks nothing happened. This is the way people think in a small community in isolation. They are to stupid to see reality. They brainwash themselves. That's how all these kids ended up getting molested. Very sad how everyone looked the other way. As penn st alum say stupid is as stupid does
 

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Like I said Bruce thinks nothing happened. This is the way people think in a small community in isolation. They are to stupid to see reality. They brainwash themselves. That's how all these kids ended up getting molested. Very sad how everyone looked the other way. As penn st alum say stupid is as stupid does

Your probably a 9/11 truther too. What is your thought on the conspiracy that we actually did land on the moon?
 

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An Open Letter to Sally Jenkins July 14, 2016 5:00 AM
by Jay Paterno


<!-- Content of the article --> In the early days of the Duke Lacrosse story, columnist Ruth Sheehan from the Raleigh News & Observer wrote a column calling for the Duke lacrosse players to come forward because they knew. On Tuesday you wrote a similar column about Penn State headlined “It’s time for other Penn State coaches to speak up about Jerry Sandusky.”
Well I coached at Penn State and this open letter is an answer to your call. Yes you write for the Goliath Washington Post and I write for StateCollege.com. I know this is but a stone in a slingshot, but it’s a rock of truth and our aim is true.
This is written because Penn State’s administration once again chose to issue a statement defending nothing and offending no one. It’s written because I cannot abide seeing you question the truth and the integrity of people I know.
You state “enough of the legal sophistry coming out of Happy Valley.” This will be devoid of that.
You called us to come forward. Had you done your homework you’d know we have come forward to fully cooperate with multiple investigations. Coaches have been questioned by police, by the Freeh investigation, deposed in civil cases. We’ve made statements in the media.
But just because they don’t agree with a first-glance narrative catapulted by today’s media dynamics, in your mind that makes our words less legitimate.
But still you allege a huge cover-up.
Look I get it. I saw the movie Spotlight. Some media outlets sued to get the sealed filings in the Penn State case like they did in Boston. But the filings in Boston revealed letters, memos and written evidence.
Here are the facts of this case.
The Penn State filings yielded only portions of depositions, not documents, and some questionable claims. And sadly, every questionable claim casts doubt on legitimate ones.
Of the assistant coaches you accuse, the unsealed documents and information leaked to the Post found no written evidence of knowledge; no memos, e-mails, text messages or letters.
Coaches turned over cell phones, e-mail accounts, computers and iPads and what did they find to reveal some vast conspiracy spanning decades? Nothing.
I’m also writing because I can’t allow anyone to question the integrity of Coach Joe Sarra, a man who always stood for right over wrong and truth over deceit. To you, a claim made with money on the table after Joe Sarra was dead must prove he remained silent for years. This is also to defend the integrity of Jim Tarman, another man who cannot defend himself because his mind’s health has silenced his voice.
Your column got important facts wrong, and is an affront to thousands of men and women that made Penn State what it was for decades. It calls into question every man who ever coached here.
Come forward? Three of the men named in the documents did speak out yesterday, but you discounted their statements.
You mention that the unsealed testimony was taken under oath, including Mike McQueary’s 2014 deposition alleging knowledge by Tom Bradley and Greg Schiano. Yet this conflicts with his June 2012 testimony in court, also under oath, when he stated he didn’t discuss this with people he worked with. So which did you choose to believe?
Here are some more facts in response to your assertions:
Kevin O’Dea didn’t know he’d been named and wasn’t questioned to defend himself. When the 1988 incident O’Dea allegedly witnessed ran into the fact that he didn’t arrive at Penn State until 1991, you wrote “the date is in dispute.”
O’Dea issued a statement calling the allegation a “complete fabrication.” But somehow his words are less true to you.
You stated that the “settlement process was protracted and included several layers of vetting.”
Guess again.
The people vetting the claims didn’t even Google the name Kevin O’Dea to realize that the 1988 claim could not have been true.
The process never included asking O’Dea or Schiano for their response.
At Penn State’s football camps in 1976, campers showered in the dorms in individual stalls and did not shower with coaches and Penn State players, as one claimant alleged.
They didn’t put any of the claimants under oath for the settlements.
Only six claimants testified in the insurance case; overall 26 of the 32 were never deposed.
Here is another fact: I am not alone in my opinion of soft vetting.
The Pennsylvania Manufacturers Insurance Company hired an outside firm to evaluate the claims. Attorney Eric Anderson stated, "It appears as though Penn State made little effort, if any, to verify the credibility of the claims of the individuals.”
So much for the several layers of vetting.
But let’s address the heart of your call to come forward. Your column insinuates some long blue wall of silence at Penn State to hide the truth.
Did you read all the unsealed documents? If you had you’d realize that the real story is how Penn State failed to vet these claims properly and overpaid to make them all go away. But that story doesn’t move product and that story wasn’t fed to the writers who jumped on this.
Yes the story was fed to your writers by someone with an agenda because they somehow reported things that were NOT in the unsealed documents.
You’re a smart writer. In the deadest week of sports all year, you likely saw the initial story was the most read on the Post’s site, so why not get in on the action?
This is not an easy letter to write. You remember you did Joe Paterno’s last interview -- your newspaper rolled it back out yesterday.
On your visit we sat next to each other in my parents’ home across from my father the night he ate what would be his last dinner in his own house. You also recall the next morning that he finished his interview on his bed, his body weak and nearing death, his voice just a husk of what it once was.
A week and a half later he would fall silent forever. Coach Joe Sarra and Jim Tarman have fallen silent. The words of Tom Bradley, Greg Schiano and Kevin O’Dea mean little to you. There are scores of players, coaches, professors, administrators, medical and equipment staff. They too came forward and cooperated.
While Joe Paterno has fallen silent, and the university administration chooses silence, we will speak up because your insinuations cannot stand. They are factually inaccurate, doing a disservice to honest people of integrity and legitimate victims of abuse.
Unfortunately your continued obsession with pointing fingers has made the the public no wiser in being able to spot highly-skilled nice-guy offenders in their own communities.
I know this will be attacked for being insensitive to certain groups; some will argue this letter is self-serving.
But it serves as a defense of the truth for our university, our football program and victims of abuse. It defends men who have fallen silent in death and people whose voices you have simply chosen to discount because you either don’t know the facts or you deny their legitimacy because they haven’t been victimized. Please stop citing the discredited Freeh Report because its “findings” run counter to the prosecutors’ conclusions about the people who coached here.
We have been scrutinized and vilified and yet we are still standing asking where is the proof and where is the truth?
At the end of the Duke Lacrosse case that same Raleigh columnist apologized, displaying the integrity to admit she got it wrong. For that I admire her.
For years I admired you too. Maybe someday I will again.
You wanted someone to come forward and something devoid of legal sophistry? Well you got it.


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Your probably a 9/11 truther too. What is your thought on the conspiracy that we actually did land on the moon?

I was about to ask you the same question
 

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I can post stories on the internet that says the earth is flat. So I don't know what this stories you are posting from the Internet prove
 

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Your probably a 9/11 truther too. What is your thought on the conspiracy that we actually did land on the moon?
My thought is you are a moron who thinks it is ok for people to molest boys. Good luck trying to keep defending everyone. Be proud of what your school let happen to those boys . I'm sure you are.
 

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Your probably a 9/11 truther too. What is your thought on the conspiracy that we actually did land on the moon?
So, those who think Paterno had knowledge that Sandusky was accused of molesting kids are on the same level as 9/11 truthers and moon landing wackos? Keep drinking the kool aid. There isn't anyone outside of happy valley who isn't a moron that thinks like you. It is pathetic.
 

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I think Bruce grew up as a kid who always dreamed of having a 3 way with Joepa and Sandudky. It is the only thing that would make sense about the way this guy thinks.
 

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So the boy in the shower said nothing happened (twice), but changed his story when a lawyer told him he knew he could get millions
Isn't that something :ohno:


And this is the incident that destroyed Joe


Pathetic


RIP Coach
Sandusky appeal focuses on Victim 2's conflicting statements

Jerry Sandusky's lawyers are focusing on conflicting statements from a man who settled a child sex abuse claim with Penn State but didn't testify at Sandusky's criminal trial



http://www.usnews.com/news/us/artic...s-appeals-hearing-on-sex-conviction-continues
 

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