Jalen Carter +1500 to go #2 overall

[tallsports]

I think the Texans may surprise at 2.

Defensive coach. Carter is just built different. I know he is a convicted murderer but for DL that isn't that big of a deal. Not many years you can get a great one/ true difference maker. Georgia has become a defensive NFL factory.

Odds will probably be on the decline the closer the draft approaches.

Could also surprise maybe to a lesser extent and go Anderson. Think Texans go with 1 of these 2 at #2

In the last 15 years, is Kirk Cousins the best NFL QB to be drafted from the Big 10? That means something.

 

[chrishansen]

Can’t beat the value. Like the shot at those odds

I’m nowhere near as high on carter or Anderson as everyone. But I felt Houston would go Anderson going back several weeks.

Ideally I think they would trade but colts make perfect sense yet in same division and teams steer away from that. Fall to 4 for more picks or maybe colts throwing in DT Buckner who wants out and played under under former SF staff.

Not sure Houston would move any further back than 5. If D is the target. Wilson Carter Anderson.

I had Houston going Anderson then trading back up from 12 to get A QB.

People have said Young was the target all along. And Striud has same agents as Watson which caused friction. Not sure how much weight that holds to passing on Stroud though

I like Van Ness more than most and great spot is Houston. If trade back he fits nice. Great edge 43-34 guy can go 3 tech moving inside and outside all along the line similar to Watt skill set.

Defense needs lots of holes filled. If trade out of 2 it’s very easy route with the picks they have to accumulate one of these players next 5 picks at these positions.

Van Ness/Wilson DL
Sanders/Campbell LB
Gonzalez / Porter CB
Schmitz/Tippman C
Siaki/Chancey DT

Sell the house next year for Maye or Williams

Just don’t get the QB love every year. Burrow Herbert Allen Lamar Rodgers Murray Wilson get teams the same place the past several years as Cousins Goff Jones Baker. Need a team more than need a QB. Get the team first then find the QB. If Purdy was so great then 32 teams and 100’s of draft experts wouldn’t have made him the last pick in the draft. SF is good built team. Purdy isn’t 10-1 on Atlanta or Host of other teams last year

 

[CHOPTALK]

In the highly improbable event that Houston does not take a QB or trade the pick to another team that takes a QB they would draft Anderson over Carter

the pick Young

 

[HacheMan]

I don't see him going ahead of Will Anderson

 

[chrishansen]

15-1 worth a stab maybe

Could hedge it Anderson or Wilson at 2 Texans stay Pat and pass on QB is possible. Wouldn’t be shocked if they went Wilson either.

They have Capital to trade back up to 6 7 9 for Levi or Rich or back into rd 1 for hooker if they like him

Tons of smoke before a draft

 

[MAGAking1]

Lots of odds changes for the #2 pick overall...Levis was the favorite for a time yesterday

 

[CHOPTALK]

Odds have been all over the place few weeks ago stroud was -300 to be the first pick now Young is -1500 to go #1

The sports books don’t have anymore of a clue about this then we do

 

[peanuts]

He's still going in the top 5 no matter what.

 

[MAGAking1]

2023 NFL Draft Odds: Team to draft Jalen Carter

Let's see which teams have the best odds to land Carter in the 2023 NFL Draft

clutchpoints.com

 

[Serbone]

Carter will go 5th to Seattle or 6th, Detroit.
He is a knucklehead but no worse than many of the top prospects.
Houston would be insane to not take a QB. Many say Stroud is overrated by the public and the NFL knows better, though. I would take Levis if I was them, but probably will not happen.
Vegas has much better insider info on this than we do...

 

[chrishansen]

Carter will go 5th to Seattle or 6th, Detroit.
He is a knucklehead but no worse than many of the top prospects.
Houston would be insane to not take a QB. Many say Stroud is overrated by the public and the NFL knows better, though. I would take Levis if I was them, but probably will not happen.
Vegas has much better insider info on this than we do...

NFL doesn’t know better. These so called scouts and media gurus make a living being wrong. Not saying it’s super easy but this in the know giddy underwear Olympic slave auction numbers bullshit they jerk off to is why they miss so much.

Go look back the past 15 drafts and see who the 1st QB taken was. How do the teams fuck up that much?

There are variables to the QB position. Not always the QB. Teams need a team first then the QB. Not a QB first then field a team

2013 EJ Manuel
2014 Bortles Manziel Bridgewater
2015 Winston Marriotta
2016 Goff Wentz Lynch
2017 Trubisky Mahommes Watson
2018 Mayfield Darnold Allen Rosen
2019 Murray Haskins
2020 Burrow Tua Herbert Love
2021 Lawrence Wilson Lance Fields Jones
2022 Pickett

27 Rd 1 QBs drafted past 10 years

11 complete busts
5 franchise guys
10 pedestrians

1 SB winning QB
2 QBs played in SB

6 guys out of league before year 4
6 pro bowl QBs

How do GMs and scouts fuck up that bad on evaluating talent? They are experts.

Jets Draft Darnold 2. Then two years later on a shit team trade the dork and draft Wilson. Hard to judge to be fair Wilson or Darnold. A) it’s in NY tuff city. B) neither had an O line or skill players. C) Neither was given a decent cast for a team.

SF sells house for Lance with SB QB on roster. Loses Job to mr irrelevant. Now being traded. This from the QB whispers himself Shanny!

ARZ drafted a midget who plays QB and defense duel threat. He can’t work middle of field so defense covers on 2/3. He is a weapon for the defense yet on offense

Was Haskins played at Ohio st enough said.

NYJ took beavis and butthead Darnold. I don’t care what game tape looks like. Just look at that dude and it says he ain’t worthy of second overall pick

MIA Tua, laugh all ya want but left handed QB are nightmare offense and suck. Save the Steve young argument. Hurt all in college and almost a crib midget himself.

CLV Mayfield, got tackled by campus police and started crying. That’s all ya need to know

ARZ Rosen never lasted a year. Playing with fire on pac 10 or Ohio st QBs. Much like taking big 12 defensive players high in draft. They just don’t work out as often as expected.



It’s not easy drafting players high. Lots of variables to success.

I’m no scout or expert but I’d argue a good amount of folks who just watch college football can draft decent players just as good as experts.

Todd the drunk Mcshay had Alex Leatherwood a top 3 pick. The next year he was top 10 then top 20 then round 2. All because he listened to experts. What the majority think. Then spins it like it’s his scouting.

A) Alabama O line guys don’t pan out at great success. Bama is loaded with 5star guys. They all make each other better. Won 2 nattys all sec all 1st team and win top o line player award. Guy couldn’t beat out a undrafted NC a&t right tackle. Couldn’t play right guard. Got cut year 2. Went to worst o line in league still didn’t play.

Looking for OL guys stick to Michigan Wisconsin Iowa. Forget the rest of the big 10. Penn st Purdue Michigan st Nebraska Rutgers Maryland teams haven’t even put a quality back up in the nfl past 10 years really. D.Smith Penn st years ago maybe the best legit ol. May not be an all pro but looking for OL pieces look for the 3 year usually senior guys from Michigan Iowa Wisconsin Or Boston college Norte Dame Oklahoma UCLA programs. To name a few. You’ll find OL guys there. Not really hard.

Arizona or Arizona st. I wouldn’t scout or waste time on any player there. Maybe a stud or gem is there. Let 31 other teams find it. When last time those schools put out much of anything?

Texas what a joke. What good comes out of Texas these days? All that money yet they can’t put anything in nfl worth a shit. No need to evaluate what was once a hit for RB LB Secondary pieces.

Oklahoma when the last time a defense players worth shit came from there

Big 12 defensive in general doesn’t produce good players as a whole

Just my worthless opinions for shits n giggles.

 

[HacheMan]

Imagine if Detroit takes Jalen Carter to team with Aidan Hutchinson

Wow

 

[CHOPTALK]

Carter will go 5th to Seattle or 6th, Detroit.
He is a knucklehead but no worse than many of the top prospects.
Houston would be insane to not take a QB. Many say Stroud is overrated by the public and the NFL knows better, though. I would take Levis if I was them, but probably will not happen.
Vegas has much better insider info on this than we do...

A Carter Hutchinson combo would be sick

 

[ERockMoney]

15-1 worth a stab maybe

Could hedge it Anderson or Wilson at 2 Texans stay Pat and pass on QB is possible. Wouldn’t be shocked if they went Wilson either.

They have Capital to trade back up to 6 7 9 for Levi or Rich or back into rd 1 for hooker if they like him

Tons of smoke before a draft

Could be BS, but hearing a lot of buzz HOU selects Wilson #2 and would look to potentially trade up later in the Rd if any QB’s fall, if not, address QB next draft and load up elsewhere this draft. They got the picks to do some damage, two 1’s, 2, two 3’s this year and two 1’s next year.

 

[chrishansen]

Could be BS, but hearing a lot of buzz HOU selects Wilson #2 and would look to potentially trade up later in the Rd if any QB’s fall, if not, address QB next draft and load up elsewhere this draft. They got the picks to do some damage, two 1’s, 2, two 3’s this year and two 1’s next year.

I think Wilson is definitely in play. Carter 15-1 I mentioned hedge it with Wilson or Anderson. Just off numbers value worthy of shot.

I’m not sold on the Anderson hype. He just seems a little stiff at times for his size not being huge. But there are some Bama ties with Houston coaches. I projected last month Houston going Defense 2 back up for QB if QB fell. So I’m with ya on that.

Personally if I’m Houston I’m trading 2! Building the defense. Going all in QB next year. Raiders at 7 as far back as I think they would go.

Say they go to 7.

They could walk away with a combo next 4 picks playing off something realistic to

Ed Van Ness/Smith
Cb Porter/Witherspoon
Dt Chancey
Lb Sanders/Campbell
C Tippman/Schmitz

I’d be intrigued by a combo of any of the above. With them loaded next year draft capital. Maye with Harrison jr wr be sick run back next year with that much Draft capital and say they are a 3-5 win team again

 

[Serbone]

Anybody with a brain knows taking a QB early is a huge enormous risk.

Top picks fail a lot (Leaf et al), lower round ones succeed often (Brady et al) somebody compile a list.

It is difficult to assess success as a QB in college, best is to get a successful QB who played several years on a team that uses an NFL type passing offense, is not dominant, just competitive.

• SO Stroud played on an elite, dominant team with a power running team but NFL caliber WRs that got separation when necessary, so, nope.
• Young was on and elite team, surrounded by elite talent, so, nope.
• Richardson started only 13 games in an offense that was not NFL passing oriented at all, not a pocket passer, not accurate, so triple nope.
• Levis played for years in a pro passing offense, for a mediocre team w few WR options, against top tier SEC defenses, so, YEP.

This yr Carolina and Houston are in situations that make it so that they should probably still draft a QB early. I say Levis is best choice, then Young, then Stroud, and Richardson, no way till at least the 2nd day.

 

[CHOPTALK]

San. Diego had the 2 best back to back picks in NFL history . Tomlinson and then Brees . 2 first ballot HOFers in a row

 

[chrishansen]

They have had many good early picks but never works out there... Sean Merriman, Quinton Jammer, Sproles, Vincent Jackson, Eric Weddle, and probably forgetting 5 others.

Chargers should be better than they ever have been... Even now, Herbert is a big success yet at same time he likely always will be a wild card.

I agree the bolts never get a team right when pieces are there.

Herbert will be wasted. O line still needs upgrades and DT and LB big holes. Bolts owner is a nut bag also. Should have never left San Diego either. LA is a trash market nothing but bandwagon folks and home games for visitors

And Jammer from Texas. Man I thought he was gonna be a good one.

 

[chrishansen]

I haven't read everything on this thread yet but I also hedged on Anderson with plus $$.... Basically as long as they go defense, I win some $$..... More $$ of course on the convicted killer

Nice shot! Worth the stab imo. Never know. I’ve been on Anderson at 2 all along just because of Bama ties and the talking heads sucking him off the past two years. Good luck on the wager

 

[Avocado33]

Carter shouldn’t be a first rounder