Is Pinnacle "sharp" enough?

[wilheim]

I have no idea which way Pinn. was leaning on the Skins game,I simply pointed out in this instance it MIGHT have cost them. I could be very wrong, because I do not get Don Best, so I can only compare their (Pinn.)lines to say the live lines here at the Rx. The bottom line for me is I know they use juice to influence bets, so I just look for favorable spots IMO. to play there.


wil.

 

[WalkofLife]

Wilheim:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I have no idea which way Pinn. was leaning on the Skins game,I simply pointed out in this instance it MIGHT have cost them. I could be very wrong, because I do not get Don Best<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I actually agree with you, in essence. My point to be made is precisely on something you cannot atest to: the use of the screen. I believe these guys are using the screen to do some arbitraging. But what would I know?...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The bottom line for me is I know they use juice to influence bets, so I just look for favorable spots IMO. to play there.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
We agree there too, I posted:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>These guys are becoming the image for the science of BOOKING. And their booking is merely based on the manipulation of the juice.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I actually believe you might be in a far better position to beat their lines, since you're strictly looking for "favorable spots". There's something that separates from the vast majority of players, Wilheim and it's the fact that you have opinions. You're not steam chasing. For people like you, Pinny is pretty much a candy store. The good thing is, you know how to find value.

 

[Chadster]

It's good to see you posting. Hope all is well.

Pura Vida

 

[aawied]

pinnacle is at no risk on horses with there customer base will make afortune the money will right the pools and will holh at least 6%

 

[cincy_]

Would a book be considered "sharp" if they had different lines for different players maybe?

Could a book have software that tracked a punter's tendencies and adjusted the lines for him personally?

Like if the software showed a punter to prefer (a) dogs and (b) overs on halftime plays, wouldn't it be prudent to offer him lines that other people just wouldn't see?

Personalized line making. Think about it. Hell, I have a suspicion that my local does it already. I think some books have TWO sets of lines and maybe even three sets, but how about having a set of lines for each player? That's the future of book-making guys.

 

[wilheim]

That happens in plenty of books. Profiling, usually sharp or wise guys get a different line than square or smaller bettors. General rule of thumb is make the favorites and totals a little higher for the squares. Easy to do with today's software.

wil.

 

[scott]

These guys are SHARP and whatever they're doing be assured they aren't trying to "beat" or "trap" the player.....ScottyS

 

[wilheim]

I agree 100%.


wil.

 

[cincy_]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I think some books have TWO sets of lines and maybe even three sets, but how about having a set of lines for each player? That's the future of book-making guys.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wilheim,

I know books have 2 or three sets of lines. What I was getting at was the idea of having 3,416 sets of lines for 3,416 different customers. Each one gets a different set based on wagering tendencies.

 

[wilheim]

I know what you mean, a program that tracks each players tendencies and adjusts lines accordingly. I have thought about this in the past, frankly I think it is a bit of overkill. You can really lump 70 to 80 percent of all bettors into the stone cold square category. The remainder might be worth some sort of individual type of scrutiny. Is it ethical, probably not, will it happen, most certainly, if it is not already happening.


wil.

 

[Woody0]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Darryl Parsons:
entropy,

I think it's almost certain that if they are doing this, they are using software. After all, what are computers for if not for stuff like this?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

As a new and naiive sports bettor I just assumed Pinny was running something like the "yield management" software airlines use. After all the lines move by single basis points frequently. They have a product that is similar in a time related sense and want to sell as much as possible before the game takes off. They know how much action to expect in the cheap (low roller) and expensive (high roller) seats. A single say baseball line manager could not be expected to be personally on top of 15 games if s/he was personally moving the lines. However a sophisticated computer algorithm with the line manager responsible for setting several of the key parameters could easily control movements with human oversight ensuring that expected yields are produced.

I also assumed all books did this, but from my reading here it would appear not to be the case.

 

[bulldog77]

Solution:

Have every sharp 'Adopt-a-square' and use the square's account to get the square's line(with square's permission of course.) Then hammer the crooked book!(all books are crooked that deal more than one line at a time...period!)

 

[dimeplayersonly]

CINCY_HUGG............WILEIM..........


i have made my living "TRACKING TENDENCIES, HABITS, BETTING PATTERNS, ECT of players............currently i know the sleeping, eating, sexual, drinking, ect.....habits of around 150 players........................and no imo........not overkill (though wil, your probably right about grouping 80% of bettors together)


and finally yes CINY, if your local has an ounce of booking skill he IS DEALING TWO SEPERATE LINES.........."play or pass" is the appropriate response i believe.........gl

 

[dimeplayersonly]

BULLDOG77............didnt see your reply..........


a crooked book is one that doesnt honor action and pay
accordingly...........

if i know you will lay wash -4........then thats what you will get.........suprise me and take ne+4........then your a winner my friend...........

...........dealing seperate lines is just part of the business babe..........

 

[cincy_]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>and finally yes CINY, if your local has an ounce of booking skill he IS DEALING TWO SEPERATE LINES.........."play or pass" is the appropriate response i believe.........gl<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>if i know you will lay wash -4........then thats what you will get.........suprise me and take ne+4........then your a winner my friend...........
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You're right, Dime. It's up to the punter to shop for lines. The one bad thing about personalized line making is that the player might go somewhere elese if you really try to squeeze him. In other words, if there was a guy from Washington that always laid chalk and always took the Redskins, the software might offer him a line of Redskins -3.5 If that happens, he might go to another book that has Redskins -2.5 and BAM, you've lost a customer.