I need a empty table so i go down early to play, chips laying on the felt deflect the dice and make them go off course, one guy is playing in the corner of the other end and is betting black. For the LV Club this is a whale, i am betting red and rolling pretty well. Guy had a full rack and starts betting against me, five minutes later he is getting a marker. You can throw a lot of numbers quick at an empty table. couple minutes more and he leaves with nothing, pit boss buys me breakfast. Quantum, dante and i had a free breakfast on the lv club, and that place was the tightest for comps.
Charting a table is a 100% complete waste of time as far as EV goes. Past results in independent events have absolutely no effect on future results. None, zip, Nada, 0.
Now, if you get some entertainment value out of charting the table, then have at it, but don't fool yourself that it is doing you any good.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler's_fallacy
Question: How can a person say they live in Vegas, but obviously stay inside 24/7 and NEVER observe how a table game works? Are they too hard headed to understand, or are they too stupid to see the trends that take place?
Yes the house edge does mathematically get you over time. But YES, in the meantime, there are obviously hot and cold streaks at tables. Weapons grade stupid to deny this FACT.
True...... but the real mega-donkeys that keep the money pumping in are the ones who see a table get hot.... and are too chicken shit to raise their bet.... or, see the table get ice cold.... and continue to raise their bet in frustration instead of leaving the table. These turds stay open 24 hours.
The problem with your thinking is that you have no way of knowing that a so-called "hot" table is going to stay "hot" on the next spin/roll. The next roll/spin could be the start of a "cold" streak.
So, the mega-donkeys (using your word) are the ones that think they can beat the house edge by riding some sort of streak. Like I said, it's what keeps the lights on.
Hey Zit....
Please understand I'm not saying you can always win following any sort of streak. What you say about "streaks being very temporary” is quite true.
What I am saying is... while a player cannot predict streaks.... they do most certainly exist.... and people go broke quicker by being too ignorant and bucking the streak. Here is a balls-on accurate observation.....
The casino advantage does not hurt people as bad as does human nature and bull-headed ignorance.
Please understand I'm not saying you can always win following any sort of streak. What you say about "streaks being very temporary” is quite true.
What I am saying is... while a player cannot predict streaks.... they do most certainly exist.... and people go broke quicker by being too ignorant and bucking the streak. Here is a balls-on accurate observation.....
The casino advantage does not hurt people as bad as does human nature and bull-headed ignorance.
Agreed that streaks do exist, but your EV in craps is going to be exactly the same whether you try to play the streaks or you ignore them. Each roll of the dice is an independent event.
Blackjack is a little bit different, in that IF you are tracking/counting cards, you can gain an edge by betting more when there is a higher % of tens/aces left in the deck. Blackjack hands aren't completely independent of previous hands dealt between shuffles.
Roulette is another game where each spin is independent, and people can track the streaks all they want, but their EV is going to be exactly the same whether you try and play the streak, or if you ignore it. Well, unless you think there is some physical anomaly in the roulette wheel...
Agree totally Zit!
Just trying to say:
1) Streaks do exist.
2) While a player cannot predictably win by following streaks.... they will lose much quicker by being stupid and upping their bets into a hot table.
Pitiful thing that we can probably agree on as well:
Two more big things that make it so easy for Vegas to beat people.... Players so often go with the attitude "Just want to get to play for a while and last long enough to have some fun!" and "I am now playing with house money!" Both ignorant statements that play right into the house's hands.
Understand that gambling is just a flush job for mney to all small timers..... but, anyone playing with serious money needs to understand how stupid the above two statements are.
Just trying to say:
1) Streaks do exist.
2) While a player cannot predictably win by following streaks.... they will lose much quicker by being stupid and upping their bets into a hot table.
Pitiful thing that we can probably agree on as well:
Two more big things that make it so easy for Vegas to beat people.... Players so often go with the attitude "Just want to get to play for a while and last long enough to have some fun!" and "I am now playing with house money!" Both ignorant statements that play right into the house's hands.
Understand that gambling is just a flush job for mney to all small timers..... but, anyone playing with serious money needs to understand how stupid the above two statements are.
Stick to my post as BALLS-ON ACCURATE! ABSOLUTELY!
While math of the house advantage will take hold in the "long run", human beings very seldom even remotely approach hours played to qualify as the "long run". You don't realize that?
In any other scenario (less than several lifetimes of play)... streaks and human nature responding to those streaks largely determines risk of ruin.... the likelihood that people lose all their bankroll (or more). This is fractionally less than everybody (if they don't HAVE TO leave for the airport just in time!)
Oh look..... Another BALLS-ON ACCURATE statement. What do you know!
Computer math is far less destructive to bankrolls and family relationships that just plain old ignorance and the addictions that come with it.
Again.... BALLS-ON!
While math of the house advantage will take hold in the "long run", human beings very seldom even remotely approach hours played to qualify as the "long run". You don't realize that?
In any other scenario (less than several lifetimes of play)... streaks and human nature responding to those streaks largely determines risk of ruin.... the likelihood that people lose all their bankroll (or more). This is fractionally less than everybody (if they don't HAVE TO leave for the airport just in time!)
Oh look..... Another BALLS-ON ACCURATE statement. What do you know!
Computer math is far less destructive to bankrolls and family relationships that just plain old ignorance and the addictions that come with it.
Again.... BALLS-ON!
Yea...... this what what keeps the casinos in business. Even when it is explained to someone about 5 different ways...... some people cannot get it. Peronally I dont care whether people get it or not...... but when guys who believe in nonsense like a "hot table" start to call other people stupid..... it is hard not to comment.
I cannot help you my friend...... but you seem to have respect for Festering Zit and he has explained it to you numerous times. You keep saying that you agree with him and then demonstrate that you dont get it at all. I only bothered to respond to this ridiculous nonsense in the first place because of the guy who had the nerve to say people who do not believe in his superstition where dumbshits...... otherwise I would have left you kids alone to your silly fantasies.
OK Boys.... Let’s not call it hot or cold. Let’s just agree on something....
Please don't insist that short term "streaks" do not happy often on table games. If you don’t recognize this to be true.... you label yourself a child who has not spend any serious time paying attention to table games. Ask any of the guys who have had experience as dealers. They will tell you... and they will tell you how bucking these short term streaks costs dumb-asses an awful lot of money!
Please don't insist that short term "streaks" do not happy often on table games. If you don’t recognize this to be true.... you label yourself a child who has not spend any serious time paying attention to table games. Ask any of the guys who have had experience as dealers. They will tell you... and they will tell you how bucking these short term streaks costs dumb-asses an awful lot of money!
