Is it just me, or is Bush spitting in the faces of his supporters?

[docmercer--banned]

Xpanda: a little background info on Bush's right hand picked boy for the CIA, Porter Goss:

By Dana Milbank
<!--plsfield:credit-->Washington Post Staff Writer
<!--plsfield:disp_date-->Tuesday, August 24, 2004; Page A03

<!--plsfield:description--><NITF>President Bush's nominee to be the director of central intelligence, Rep. Porter J. Goss (R-Fla.), sponsored legislation that would have cut intelligence personnel by 20 percent in the late 1990s.</NITF>

<NITF>Goss, who has been chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence for the past eight years, was one of six original co-sponsors of legislation in 1995 that called for cuts of at least 4 percent per year between 1996 and 2000 in the total number of people employed throughout the intelligence community.</NITF>

Goss was one of six original co-sponsors of legislation titled H.R. 1923, called the Restructuring a Limited Government Act. Among other things, the legislation, written by then-Rules Committee Chairman Gerald B.H. Solomon (R-N.Y.), directed that "the president shall, for each of fiscal years 1996 through 2000, reduce the total number of military and civilian personnel employed by, or assigned or detailed to, elements of the Intelligence Community by not less than 4 percent of the baseline number" of employees on Sept. 30, 1995.</NITF>

 

[PatPatriot]

K you could say the hispanics swayed the election.GW got 10% more hispanics this time then last with a higher latino population.

Yes I am afraid hispanics don't like gay marriage either why don't you call them dumb fux?

 

[kayaman+]

Because 4 million unexpected religious votes swung the election that's why.

Actually as somebody that's lived in Latin America for a while now, latinos tend to be more tolerant of gays than your average American. Also why would I call call Latinos dumb fux, I haven't called bible thumpers dumb fux, I consider them more a little off their rockers.

 

[bblight]

Bush advertised his agenda while running for his second term, there's nothing new or sneaky about Bush comning accross with his campaign promises - it just proves that the man is a s good as his word!

I don't agree with his policies on imigration, but he's still better than Hanoi John Kerry!

 

[kayaman+]

"it just proves that the man is a s good as his word!"

Like the words that said he didn't feel Bin Ladden was a threat?

 

[bblight]

Kaya - it's past your bed time, isn't it?

 

[lander]

Blight,
Where do you get this "man of his word crap" -- he campaigned as a fiscally responsible Compassionate Conservative ... we got a liberal spending right-winged nut job.

You sound like kerry now -- Bush kept his word, after he broke it.

Quit being such a cheerleading appologist -- it makes you look feminine.

 

[bblight]

Lander - when did Bush lie?

By the way, he could have shut the government down, but then the Dems would not have approved some of his legislation. He's a pragmatist - It's up to Congress to cut spending - Bush wants his legislation to pass.

Can't you see it? He's using the Reagan playbook.

 

[lander]

>> when did Bush lie?

Oh, the endless possibilities -- where to start?

Ok, lets go with the deadliest -- Bush claimed that Iraq's gathering of aluminum tubes was proof of their WMD program. Actually, Rice, Wolfowitz, Dumsfeld, Cheney and Bush all stuck together on this massive lie.

 

[kayaman+]

"Kaya - it's past your bed time, isn't it?"

Lol
I thought I was older than you.

Good response to fact though. <!-- / message -->

 

[kayaman+]

"Lander - when did Bush lie?"

Lander read that line he wrote again then stop debating the guy, it's clearly futile.

"He's using the Reagan playbook."
Now there's a scary thought.

 

[Shotgun]

Many months ago, barman pointed out that somewhere around half of the states had already banned PBA and that it was anything but a widespread practice. I think he said something in the neighbourhood of 2200 of them were performed in 2003, and, since the records are obviously confidential, there is no knowledge of what percentage were for the mother's health or for 'birth control.' (couldn't think of a better term at the moment.)

The danger in banning PBA isn't that it will deny this service to women (it's obviously not widespread to begin with) but that it opens up a Pandora's box regarding the legal status of the fetus. At what point do we cross from 'fetus' to 'unborn child'? At the moment it appears that 'last trimester' is in the works, but this gets messy, obviously. If we say 'six months from conception onwards' how do we justify 'six months less a day' as being okay? Further, how do you prove precisely how old a fetus is?

I think most people, pro-choice or not, understand just how horrifying PBA is. It's the legal implications for abortion in its entirety that worry the pro-choice movement.

Xpanda, the Partial Birth laws passed by the states are routinely shot down by judges...I doubt any are still in effect as of today. The 2,200 per year are a small portion of the abortion total, but it is still a significant amount and shouldn't be dismissed. As for the Pandora's box...I think that cherry has already been popped. States routinely put regulations (parental permission as one example) on abortion; there isn't a real reason why partial birth laws should be an exception. The ultimate goal, for most of the Right, would be allowing states to make the laws...just like it was before Roe vs Wade. Repealing Roe wouldn't ban all abortions; it would just allow the states to set the rules.

 

[docmercer--banned]

What is really sad ...

since Roe / Wade in 73 (??) this country has aborted close to 45,000,000 kids ...

 

[kayaman+]

Abortions are sad, what's even sadder is that making abortion illegal with not only make the problem worse but also turn it into a socio-economic issue.