TTinco,
Nice try but I have all the emails I sent to ROYAL wishing them the best of luck and agreeing to put them back up once they take care of their fiscal responsibilites..
aka DEBT!
And it was ONLY after I took ROYAL down, that they began paying out on some players who had been asking for money for weeks!
P.S.
Have you the balls to ask your father that question?
THE SHRINK
Nice try but I have all the emails I sent to ROYAL wishing them the best of luck and agreeing to put them back up once they take care of their fiscal responsibilites..
aka DEBT!
And it was ONLY after I took ROYAL down, that they began paying out on some players who had been asking for money for weeks!
P.S.
Have you the balls to ask your father that question?
THE SHRINK
Royal's B.C. is pushing soo much crap and B.S. over at MW and TheRx with LIES and Ghosts that's it's now a embarassing pissing match and the Comedy-of-Error's of B.C.'s B.S. is now in the Gutter and sliding along on HIS SLIM as Royal's once Pristine reputation is now more than Half way DOWN THE DRAIN.
And there are still FOOLS that think Royal is still OK...while they are only a Shell of a company and the only thing left is the now tarnish name...ROYAL
And there are still FOOLS that think Royal is still OK...while they are only a Shell of a company and the only thing left is the now tarnish name...ROYAL
Royal is questionable and players need protection. No need to look anywhere else. The Rx is doing what it feels right to protect players. It doesn't matter what happended in the past, it matters what happens today & no one can come here and complain about The Rx promoting a book that has admitted troubles within.
Thanks Shrink
Thanks Shrink
Someone emailed me saying that Russ Hawkins is now accusing me of extorting ROYAL because they refused to advertise here for Football...
Well, once again, I RUSS is LYING...
Here are the email exchanges between ROYAL and myself before I took them off the site regarding their decision on whether they were going to stay or leave the rx for football!
Subject: RE: Football Rate Sheet
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 11:25:38 -0400
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Wrom: GDADRZFSQHYUCDDJBLVLMHAALPTCXLYRWTQTIPWIGYOKST
To: "THE SHRINK" <shrink@therx.com>
X-Note: sub-51ip18.e-commercepark.com 63.245.51.18 D9cb303c50080d122.SMD BetRoyal.com
X-Note: Recipients: shrink@therx.com
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No, I like the premium
. Sorry, my misunderstanding... comes for free....this is something else I like
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 11:23 AM
To: Roberto Castiglioni
Subject: RE: Football Rate Sheet
Thank you, but currently you are in our PREMIUM position, which, if you take that, comes with our Live Line service for free...
Do you want that or the Regular Campaign for Football?
Thanks,
ekn
t 10:19 AM 7/4/2003, you wrot
I take the offer, including the banner on the live lines ( 700 month ). Payment will be made latest July 31st or earlier.
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Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 8:31 PM
To: Roberto Castiglioni
Subject: RE: Football Rate Sheet
yes...
you would start in Sept..
Well, once again, I RUSS is LYING...
Here are the email exchanges between ROYAL and myself before I took them off the site regarding their decision on whether they were going to stay or leave the rx for football!
Subject: RE: Football Rate Sheet
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 11:25:38 -0400
X-MS-Has-Attach:
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
Thread-Topic: Football Rate Sheet
Thread-Index: AcNCP2pN3BPZ2dMsQTS/jcJNLkRoRwAAPxpQ
Wrom: GDADRZFSQHYUCDDJBLVLMHAALPTCXLYRWTQTIPWIGYOKST
To: "THE SHRINK" <shrink@therx.com>
X-Note: sub-51ip18.e-commercepark.com 63.245.51.18 D9cb303c50080d122.SMD BetRoyal.com
X-Note: Recipients: shrink@therx.com
X-RCPT-TO: <shrink@therx.com>
No, I like the premium
-----Original Message-----
Wrom: TZRCLBDXRQBGJSNBOHMKHJYFMYXOEAIJJPHS
Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 11:23 AM
To: Roberto Castiglioni
Subject: RE: Football Rate Sheet
Thank you, but currently you are in our PREMIUM position, which, if you take that, comes with our Live Line service for free...
Do you want that or the Regular Campaign for Football?
Thanks,
ekn
t 10:19 AM 7/4/2003, you wrot
I take the offer, including the banner on the live lines ( 700 month ). Payment will be made latest July 31st or earlier.
-----Original Message-----
Wrom: CRTNHGSWZIDREXCAXZOWCONEUQZAAFXISHJE
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 8:31 PM
To: Roberto Castiglioni
Subject: RE: Football Rate Sheet
yes...
you would start in Sept..
jjgold,
Thanks...
Many advertisers have warned Russ and I not to start such garbage threads and he doesn't get it...
I could start two right now off the top of my head with the titles..
RUSS HAWKINS LIES ABOUT EXTORTION...or
MW ENDORSES QUESTIONABLE BOOK!!!
But, I choose not to do so...
Once some of them (and I already know of 2)decide not to renew with MW, maybe Russ will finally get it...
This crap has got to stop!
Posters on this site will be warned and then banned if they try and stir shit up about MW or other sites!
THE SHRINK
Thanks...
Many advertisers have warned Russ and I not to start such garbage threads and he doesn't get it...
I could start two right now off the top of my head with the titles..
RUSS HAWKINS LIES ABOUT EXTORTION...or
MW ENDORSES QUESTIONABLE BOOK!!!
But, I choose not to do so...
Once some of them (and I already know of 2)decide not to renew with MW, maybe Russ will finally get it...
This crap has got to stop!
Posters on this site will be warned and then banned if they try and stir shit up about MW or other sites!
THE SHRINK
The Rx was 12 days late pulling Royal down. But they made the hard decision and did finally take them down as it became clear that the slow pays were starting.
MW and any other site that leaves them up now proves their level of greed beyond any and all reasonable doubt.
Why should sites wait for the slow pays to start? Are the few extra blood dollars really worth it? It's not about just making it is it? Royal is broke but they are going to make it. Unless a site owner has his fingers in his ears he knows that Royal is broke. For Gods sake how much more evidence is needed before the players are protected?
The Rx made the right move and probably (bite my lip) in a somewhat reasonable time period. Other sites should swallow their pride, set aside their greed, and do the right thing without any further delay.
MW and any other site that leaves them up now proves their level of greed beyond any and all reasonable doubt.
Why should sites wait for the slow pays to start? Are the few extra blood dollars really worth it? It's not about just making it is it? Royal is broke but they are going to make it. Unless a site owner has his fingers in his ears he knows that Royal is broke. For Gods sake how much more evidence is needed before the players are protected?
The Rx made the right move and probably (bite my lip) in a somewhat reasonable time period. Other sites should swallow their pride, set aside their greed, and do the right thing without any further delay.
You said in the first post in this thread that you've known "Marty Monroe" for years and now you're saying that you don't know the man at all? And you don't even know his real name?
I'm lost here.....
You said that you know that the man is going to bring years of knowledge and experience to BetPanAm and praised that to-come book. And now you're saying that you don't even know the real name of the man who's going to run it?
WTF?
You're going to take on an advertiser that your readers are going to possibly post up heavy money in a country that has no non-credit sportsbooks---a risky venture at best----and you don't even know who you're dealing with?
What am I missing here?
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by THE SHRINK:
F U C K YOU!
He is not my buddy...
He is a business acquaintence....
I have spoken to him on about 3 occasions each year that he was responsible for marketing at ROYAL...
Now I spoke to him because he is with BetPamAM and trying to get back money owed to him from ROYAL!
Hardly qualifies as a buddy!
And I didnt even know that was his real name..
I only know him as Marty!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I'm lost here.....
You said that you know that the man is going to bring years of knowledge and experience to BetPanAm and praised that to-come book. And now you're saying that you don't even know the real name of the man who's going to run it?
WTF?
You're going to take on an advertiser that your readers are going to possibly post up heavy money in a country that has no non-credit sportsbooks---a risky venture at best----and you don't even know who you're dealing with?
What am I missing here?
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by THE SHRINK:
F U C K YOU!
He is not my buddy...
He is a business acquaintence....
I have spoken to him on about 3 occasions each year that he was responsible for marketing at ROYAL...
Now I spoke to him because he is with BetPamAM and trying to get back money owed to him from ROYAL!
Hardly qualifies as a buddy!
And I didnt even know that was his real name..
I only know him as Marty!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Buzzsaw:
The Rx was 12 days late pulling Royal down. But they made the hard decision and did finally take them down as it became clear that the slow pays were starting.
MW and any other site that leaves them up now proves their level of greed beyond any and all reasonable doubt.
Why should sites wait for the slow pays to start? Are the few extra blood dollars really worth it? It's not about just making it is it? Royal is broke but they are going to make it. Unless a site owner has his fingers in his ears he knows that Royal is broke. For Gods sake how much more evidence is needed before the players are protected?
The Rx made the right move and probably (bite my lip) in a somewhat reasonable time period. Other sites should swallow their pride, set aside their greed, and do the right thing without any further delay.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I knew you'd say what you felt was right for the players Buzz. The bad part on this one is if Royal does not come down over there than I am convinced there can never be a reason they will pull a book. Looks like the gameplan will be stay up until the bitter end in every situation until the players eat it. I hate to say it but as a poster of that site I am disgusted with them. I really am. I'd have said it 6 months ago if I posted there and I say it now. Come on Russ think about the players instead of the money or your hatred of Ken. You aren't following Ken's lead, you are trying to let players know there are better places for their money right now. If you won't do it for the players at least do it for the solid books you have on top of your page, surely you owe it to them at least.
Anyway thanks Buzz for your thoughts on the matter. I know it won't matter but at least we can try. If we raise enough hell over here maybe the other posters over there will get the message. I have been stiffed off-shore before and it is a terrible feeling. I hope no one gets beat out of their money because of the site wars and this man's hatred for the RX......
The Rx was 12 days late pulling Royal down. But they made the hard decision and did finally take them down as it became clear that the slow pays were starting.
MW and any other site that leaves them up now proves their level of greed beyond any and all reasonable doubt.
Why should sites wait for the slow pays to start? Are the few extra blood dollars really worth it? It's not about just making it is it? Royal is broke but they are going to make it. Unless a site owner has his fingers in his ears he knows that Royal is broke. For Gods sake how much more evidence is needed before the players are protected?
The Rx made the right move and probably (bite my lip) in a somewhat reasonable time period. Other sites should swallow their pride, set aside their greed, and do the right thing without any further delay.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I knew you'd say what you felt was right for the players Buzz. The bad part on this one is if Royal does not come down over there than I am convinced there can never be a reason they will pull a book. Looks like the gameplan will be stay up until the bitter end in every situation until the players eat it. I hate to say it but as a poster of that site I am disgusted with them. I really am. I'd have said it 6 months ago if I posted there and I say it now. Come on Russ think about the players instead of the money or your hatred of Ken. You aren't following Ken's lead, you are trying to let players know there are better places for their money right now. If you won't do it for the players at least do it for the solid books you have on top of your page, surely you owe it to them at least.
Anyway thanks Buzz for your thoughts on the matter. I know it won't matter but at least we can try. If we raise enough hell over here maybe the other posters over there will get the message. I have been stiffed off-shore before and it is a terrible feeling. I hope no one gets beat out of their money because of the site wars and this man's hatred for the RX......
ttin,
i actually never called you a liar or anything else that i recall.
i did ask you "who is lying, you or major"
that was in regards to your claim that major has been involved with a slow pay problem since friday, but he posted on saturday that he knew of NO PROBLEMS ANY PLAYERS WERE HAVING WITH ROYAL.
now either you are wrong about him knowing on friday, or on saturday, major lied about not having information about any problems.
i actually never called you a liar or anything else that i recall.
i did ask you "who is lying, you or major"
that was in regards to your claim that major has been involved with a slow pay problem since friday, but he posted on saturday that he knew of NO PROBLEMS ANY PLAYERS WERE HAVING WITH ROYAL.
now either you are wrong about him knowing on friday, or on saturday, major lied about not having information about any problems.
Patrick, you know as well as I do that I was always a fan of yours elsewhere and not a lot has changed really. I apologise, the Mr. morals and integrity description was a bit snide but I felt it was necessary to get you to address the question.
Which you answered thusly:
What is it you want from me? Hammy spent days smearing a sportsbook at several sites in order to get them to pay him. It turned out he made the whole thing up after all those posts and 50 e-mails to me. It hurt a lot of people and was nothing but a scam from the start. I haven't followed the Sick Gambler thing but I see he says he is innocent. Hammy after getting caught red-handed and losing out on his attempt to extort money was banned, yes. He even admitted he was guilty. Geez man you think he was being picked on unfairly?
No I do not think Hamneggs was being picked on unfairly. Nor do I think SG is being persecuted unfairly.
I am surprised by the tone of this.
I never have seen this from you before, I certainly never refer to you this way.
Right. Sorry again.
If you are trying to goad me into something because your boss still has Royal up don't inlcude me in it please.
This was more about RPM's confusion regarding why the SG issue is of concern. My boss has never heard of MW, RX, Royal, or Sick Gambler. I do not work at MW, I only post there.
Each site makes his own decisions, I haven't told anyone what to do at their site. Yes I would pull them if it was my call but can't blame someone for taking the easy money either.
You're talking Royal but I am not talking about Royal. I will restate that what concerns me is that you have a thief and liar (potentially--as even I am not certain based on what I have heard) traipsing around your forum and nobody with any responsibility seems to care. In fact there seems to be a very laissez-faire attitude among the RX leadership that was not on display during the Hamneggs debacle. Leadership here seems more concerned with Royal being up across the street than the possibility that it has a pathological fraud nibbling at it's core. I am sorry but I find this a gross lapse from a moderators standpoint. I was under the impression that you ran the show here so your "I haven't followed the Sick Gambler thing but I see he says he is innocent." seems kinda nonchalant
I don't think I'm Mr Morals nor do I think I have more integrity than anyone else.
Well you know what Patrick, whether you like it or not, that is your reputation. I think it is a fine one to have. And as you have pointed out in the past, ultimatley, in life and on the forums, it is the most important thing anyone has.
I just speak my mind and move on to the next item on the agenda.
Right. And all I wonder is: Why did you skip this agenda item (SG/RIO/NETELLER)? Because there is most definitely a specific reason.
Again, my apologies for the Mr. morals and integrity thing.
Which you answered thusly:
What is it you want from me? Hammy spent days smearing a sportsbook at several sites in order to get them to pay him. It turned out he made the whole thing up after all those posts and 50 e-mails to me. It hurt a lot of people and was nothing but a scam from the start. I haven't followed the Sick Gambler thing but I see he says he is innocent. Hammy after getting caught red-handed and losing out on his attempt to extort money was banned, yes. He even admitted he was guilty. Geez man you think he was being picked on unfairly?
No I do not think Hamneggs was being picked on unfairly. Nor do I think SG is being persecuted unfairly.
I am surprised by the tone of this.
I never have seen this from you before, I certainly never refer to you this way.
Right. Sorry again.
If you are trying to goad me into something because your boss still has Royal up don't inlcude me in it please.
This was more about RPM's confusion regarding why the SG issue is of concern. My boss has never heard of MW, RX, Royal, or Sick Gambler. I do not work at MW, I only post there.
Each site makes his own decisions, I haven't told anyone what to do at their site. Yes I would pull them if it was my call but can't blame someone for taking the easy money either.
You're talking Royal but I am not talking about Royal. I will restate that what concerns me is that you have a thief and liar (potentially--as even I am not certain based on what I have heard) traipsing around your forum and nobody with any responsibility seems to care. In fact there seems to be a very laissez-faire attitude among the RX leadership that was not on display during the Hamneggs debacle. Leadership here seems more concerned with Royal being up across the street than the possibility that it has a pathological fraud nibbling at it's core. I am sorry but I find this a gross lapse from a moderators standpoint. I was under the impression that you ran the show here so your "I haven't followed the Sick Gambler thing but I see he says he is innocent." seems kinda nonchalant
I don't think I'm Mr Morals nor do I think I have more integrity than anyone else.
Well you know what Patrick, whether you like it or not, that is your reputation. I think it is a fine one to have. And as you have pointed out in the past, ultimatley, in life and on the forums, it is the most important thing anyone has.
I just speak my mind and move on to the next item on the agenda.
Right. And all I wonder is: Why did you skip this agenda item (SG/RIO/NETELLER)? Because there is most definitely a specific reason.
Again, my apologies for the Mr. morals and integrity thing.
