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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jaypaw:
Fish - does that highway play a major role?


I am from New England so its difficult for me to comprehend what it must be like to drive around those roads out there...

Is it just the way I am reading the map - or are there no curves on any of the roads?

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No, not many curves.
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The Ft. Dodge market would cater to 99% of the immediate local market.

Trust me, this casino will be a BOOM.

Hell, just my family alone will support it.
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We did move offices last fall so conceivably there was a number to the old office that got left on our site somewhere...

I will check on the contact us page right now.


As far as the Gross Annual Wager - it consists of parts that don't get reported to us until the summer (particularly the state racing commissions and charity agencies/organizations) - so for that reason the "current year" data is not released until mid-July and sometimes as late as August.

Traditionally an excerpt of our data appears in the August or September issue of IGWB but that has been scaled back over the last few years.

Our newsletter "Insight" publishes the casino and racino industry data from the GAW as well as our estimates for proposed facilities in our "Back of the Envelope" column so I'd recommend that be the first place you look.

What data in particular were you looking for?
 

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Fish I take it you'd pin a revenue estimate on a facility in ft dodge at around the $72M mark (the same per person spending figure that Lakeside has)?

Not saying its not possible but I gotta believe that being off the highway will slow it down some...

I assume based on the population distribution that you guys might make a lot of those 30 mile trips in your pickup trucks (do those trucks have cupholders or do you just keep the can of bud between your legs?)

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Prairie Meadows is the only thing that keeps me sane when I do go back to Iowa. Just not a lot of things to do there besides gamble and drink.
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I live 30 minutes from Delaware Park and about 30 minutes from Pimlico Racetrack , personally I would rather go to Delaware Park as the area is much nicer...The neighborhoods immediately around Pimlico are shabby and there are some bad areas not far from the track...I wouldn`t say its dangerous but its not a walk in the park either....Where as Del Park is much much nicer, no threat of crime over your shoulder....

If Maryland Lawmakers are dumb enough to continue to watch Slot Machine revenue go up 95 to Delaware than they don`t deserve to be in their respective seats....I wonder how many millions of dollars�Delaware is directly receiving from Md residents? And at the same time the city of Balto. and the state of Md. continue to struglle to balance a budget...the budget right now in Md. and Balto City has been the talk on the news for quite sometime.. It just makes no sense to watch the revenue end up in Delaware anyway.

The latest is they may still try to push Slots thru in Md, come November...It will happen someday, but like everything else it will happen 10 years later...
 

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Journeyman, You are right. I used to live in far Northern Va. Pimlico, was where I made my first big score and got hooked on the horses. What a shame about that area. I used to love going to Del. Park. But the ride was just a bit too far on a regular basis. A very nice area and what racing used to be about. I think Saratoga (where I've never been) and Belmont are the best tracks on the East Coast. What a shame about Pimlico! Oh the memories and the ladies of the night at the "block". Does that area still exist?
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEYKIS101:
Prairie Meadows is the only thing that keeps me sane when I do go back to Iowa. Just not a lot of things to do there besides gamble and drink.
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When was the last time you have been to 'The Block'? Yes it is still there...I think its actually in better shape of late...Larry Flint`s Hustler Club has joined the lineup...

Personally I have never been down inside any of the clubs on The Block....

Have any good story to share oldmantime?
 

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Middle 1980's---The stories seemd to be allmost one continuous one for me back in those days.
I was doing some heavy boozin back them--working in Baltimore and Washington, DC.
Just a blast from the past!!
 

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Fishead,

How often do you make it back to Iowa? Im due for a visit in July or August, cant say Im looking forward to it.
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journey - are you saying the pimlico area is a dump? I dont know the area at all so Id be interested to hear about the locations of where the slots would be from someone who knows the area well...


Why does busch keep killing the slot thing?

is he a dickhead or what?
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEYKIS101:
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How often do you make it back to Iowa? Im due for a visit in July or August, cant say Im looking forward to it.
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WHY NOT????

Great time of the year!!

Take in the FIELD OF DREAMS or the IOWA STATE FAIR........and of course the many many casinos the state has to offer!!!
 

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Yes, the area surrounding the Pimlico Racetrack is very dumpy....but right around the corner there are very nice neighborhoods...its in an area where the city and county meet basically....its a rundown area of the city (as most area of the city are rundown) but just off in the county you have some very fine neighborhods , which are about 5-10 minutes right down the road...

Compared to Delaware Park there`s no comparison...I would rather drive to Delaware personally...its easier to get in and out of and back on the interstate as well...
 

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I am from MD and am tired of watching millions of $ go to Deleware. Many people want this to happen but just like alot of things politics rears its ugly head and is the main reason it's being slowed down. The question is not about slots anymore but how many and where will they go. Until those questions are answered nothing will happen.
 

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Millions of dollars flow from Delaware to Maryland for other things, such as sporting events and vacations. These arguments of where the money is going are never perfected.

Personally while I obviously think casinos should be allowed, I get EXTREMELY worried and leery when it all comes down to money and I always advise people not to focus on the dollars. When you do that you bring in dynamics that often ruin what gaming is legalized and you also risk getting the activity legalized in the first place. When you allow the debate to focus solely how much money the state can make from this you most definitely set yourself down a slippery slope. Every year now there is yet another state that wrecks the investments and jobs of casinos through a money grab and that money grab all starts right here with the arguments "this state makes X dollars from their casinos". Eventually you get to the point where the state takes so much money the only thing that makes a profit are slot barns with few amenities and just slots with terrible payback percentages.

Just think about that for a bit. I am involved heavily in the industry and this "game" and everyone just pays attention to what is in it for them and their employer. There is no coherent plan to make for a sustainable gaming industry where everyone gets something positive from it, just a land grab by everyone taking whatever most they can. This behavior in the long run will lead to the downfall of the industry at some point.
 

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Busch baffles on slots
By Robert Redding Jr.
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Published May 26, 2004

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ANNAPOLIS -- House Speaker Michael E. Busch has flip-flopped so often on authorizing slot machines in Maryland that lawmakers and strategists say they no longer know where he stands on the issue.
"I don't think the speaker is serious about letting us vote for a slots bill because of the mixed messages sent out by him," said Delegate Tony E. Fulton, a Baltimore Democrat who supports slots.
Mr. Busch, Anne Arundel Democrat, has opposed bringing legalized slots gambling to Maryland since Gov. Robert L. Ehrlich Jr., a Republican, introduced the proposal in the 2003 General Assembly. The speaker has lead the defeat of the plan in the House Ways and Means Committee for two straight years.
Along the way, Mr. Busch occasionally has adjusted his position, including his indication late in this year's General Assembly session that he would consider approving the slots proposal if the Ehrlich administration agreed to increases in the state sales and income taxes.
However, lawmakers, strategists and many Democrats are confounded by his position, particularly after the revelation that Mr. Busch privately discussed the slots issue this month with Mr. Ehrlich and Senate President Thomas V. Mike Miller Jr., Prince George's County Democrat.
Mr. Busch emerged from the meeting saying he would agree to allow voters to decide on slots in a November referendum.
"We don't know what the speaker is doing at this point," said Delegate Marshall T. Goodwin, a Baltimore Democrat and Ways and Means Committee member. "It is the best-kept secret in town."
"He has been all over the map for the last two years," said KevinIgoe, a Republican strategist."He was morally opposed to slots after the first session. He was in favor of state ownership, then maybe not at the tracks. And now maybe a referendum."
Thirteen Democratic Delegates have sent a letter to Mr. Busch objecting to his change in position.
The lawmakers said they were "surprised and alarmed" that the issue had resurfaced and that they feared the gambling industry would buy a referendum victory.
A poll conducted in March by Gonzales Research and Marketing Strategies showed 54 percent of Marylanders favor the introduction of slots gambling.
Mr. Busch has said little publicly about the recent meetings, except that a referendum could help lawmakers craft a slots proposal free of legislative compromises.
He has told reporters that it would be easier to increase taxes than to set up slots emporiums.
Still, such a compromise appears a long way off.
Mr. Busch has said negotiations will not proceed until Mr. Ehrlich and Mr. Miller agree to the referendum.
The governor opposes a referendum. He wants lawmakers to approve legislation that he already has submitted.
He says revenue from slots will help pay for the $1.3 billion education reform legislation known as the Thornton Act and help reduce the state's budget deficit.
Mr. Miller, who has supported the slots proposal and helped it pass in the House, also does not favor a referendum.
Mr. Goodwin does not think Mr. Busch is waffling. "I believe that he is trying to position himself to benefit the Democratic Party within the House of Delegates," he said.
Mr. Igoe disagreed.
"It is very difficult to negotiate with someone who doesn't know what [his] position is," he said. "And I think you are seeing that frustration bubbling over in the House Democratic Caucus."
Other political observers say Mr. Busch could be changing his position because the Ehrlich administration repeatedly has blamed him for blocking the slots legislation.
Mr. Fulton said: "I am confused. If we are going to consider slots, then let us go ahead and take the vote and put this thing behind us. No matter which side of this issue that you are on, we should be given the opportunity to vote on the issue."
• This article is based in part on wire service reports.




Copyright © 2004 News World Communications, Inc. All rights reserved.

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