I don't think Clark can win.

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He has virtually NO political experience. We have a horrible governement right now, gaping deficits, and dangerous policies ...

... I'm not for bringing in a War Tycoon with no experience.

Sorry D2, I'm sure Gen. Clark a good person and a capable leader ... but I don't see this working.
 

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He can win and I truly believe he will win. Word is he has 30 to 40 endorsements from Congress already lined up. That's pretty phenomenal from someone not from Congress running against a bunch of Congressman. And he has assembled an all-star cast of Clinton and Gore heavyweights to run his campaign and asd fundraisers.

War tycoon? What is THAT supposed to mean? Everybody who has served in the military is automatically a war tycoon? Hogwash!

Clark is talking about those dangerous policies. He's talking about the deficits, the lack of health care, the eroision of personal liberties. I think if you keep an open mind and listen to what he has to say you may be pleasantly surprised.

The very reason I want Clark is in large part because he can win -- this is to say beat Bush! Dean is a disaster waiting to happen and you know it. So does a lot of the dem leadership that is ready to get behind Clark to avoid the Dean disaster.
 

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The man has a master's degree in Economics...


I'd love to see Bush take an Econ test with no advisors around...
 

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D2,
You make some quality points, but my concern is experience. Clark, like anyone else, can certainly talk about deficits, health care or any other issue, but the problem is that he he simply has NO experience.

Somebody else mentioned that Bush didn't do a good job in Texas, that I do not know, but let's look at the *political resumes*

Bush - Governer of Texas, President of the USA
Clark - none.

Certainly, Bush and his staff will exploit this.
If they can sell a war on *false* fears, they can certainly sell an election on those same fears.

Don't get me wrong, if Clark gets the nod - he has my vote. Anyone aside from Rev. Sharpton IMO would do a better job as President than Bush.
 

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Pinnacle just pulled the old odds and posted new odds to win the Democratic nomination, and low and behold...
Dean +100
Clark +275
Kerry +500
Edwards, Gephardt, Lieberman each +1000

And the Repub election odds went from -215 to -190.

Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmm....
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I would like to see Bush take an algebra test without help. I will vote for Clark in a heartbeat over Bush.
 

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d2, if the cubs win the world series this year and clark wins the election next year...you should go tout. i will gladly pay for your plays, stock market picks, parenting tips and political insight.
 

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TG, I kinda figured The General would vote for the General.
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lander, that "experience" factor cuts both ways. The "I'm not aan insider or career politicians" idea also resonates with many. Also, while he hasn't held elective office, he certainly has been in major positions of authority and responsibility.
 

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D2,
I'll be the first to admit, I'm no expert.
I hope you're right on Clark's chances, because for the life of me I cannot see Dean coming close.
 

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dont sell out your values Clark was a ronald reagan republican and a GOP fund rasier. VOTE HOWARD DEAN
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tu Li Ming:
dont sell out your values Clark was a ronald reagan republican and a GOP fund rasier. VOTE HOWARD DEAN<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And now we get the Dean talking points. Rush spent almost his entire show trying to tear Clark down. Looks like some people are getting afraid, very afraid.

lol I was a Ronald Reagan Republican too. Big freaking deal IF he was. Things change.
 

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Originally posted by D2bets:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I was a Ronald Reagan Republican too. Big freaking deal IF he was. Things change.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

i knew you couldnt be trusted u keep calling facts talking points
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Clark is no friend to liberals
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tu Li Ming:
Originally posted by D2bets:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I was a Ronald Reagan Republican too. Big freaking deal IF he was. Things change.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

i knew you couldnt be trusted u keep calling facts talking points
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Clark is no friend to liberals<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Talking points are rarely facts. Clark has never been a GOP Fundraiser. That is simply false. He spoke once at a Truman Day Dinner for a Pulaski County (Little Rock) GOP Event about his experience in Kosovo, but it was not a fundraiser. I love the idea that Republicans want to hear him as well. This is a good thing. I invite Republicans to vote for him.

What policies does he have that are not friendly to liberals? Please give specifics. He's not as liberal as Dean, he's mainstream and and that's why he can win.
 

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Thankfully Clark will be at the first debate in favor of a prior paid speaking engagement.

At tradesports, 'field' is trading at 27, just barely below Dean at 30. Field is basically just Clark, since even Hillary is separatey traded, at 11. The market is clearly saying that Clark has a real chance here. You don't finish 1st in your class at WP, become a Rhoes Scholar and 4-star General by not being smart. This guy knows what he's doing ad has heavy hitters backing him up. Unless something unsual and unforeseen happens, he's going to be the next Prez. I expect the right-wing attacks to intensify as they wake up to this fact. It's going to be fun.
 

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D2,
Why did Clark enter so late? Certainly this can't be a 'fashionablity late(sp?)' move ... it seems like he's put himself at a disadvantage by waiting so long.

I heard a theory on this. The MSNBC analyst says (more or less) that he has a chance by 'default'. Meaning that Kerry, Lieberman, Edwards and Gephardt were banking on taking Iowa or NH for a serious run, but they're not likely to. So they're saying that Clark is the number 2 man by default (Grahm, Sharpton, Kucinich, Mosely clearly have NO shot anyways).

Do you think this is the reason why?
 

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i dont know why D2 thinks Dean, kerry, gephart or lieberman would stand down and let this guy walk in and win? They will not. to win the demcratic nomination a caniadte has to have the Unions and african american votes. Black voters will not vote for clark he was a ronald reagan supporter for god sakes and the unions are split with Dean and Gephart.

http://www.deanforamerica.com/
 

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lander, Gephardt probably will take Iowa, but nothing else. Actually that would be idea for Clark because Dean is the serious competition. Clark has no chance in Iowa. Clark will bank on doing better state by state leading up to Super Tuesday in the South where he can win big.

As for why he waited I think it was a multitude of reasons. First, this wasn't a grand plan of his for years. He ay have given it some thought before this year but I don't think he seriously considered it before April/May of this year when the DraftClark movements took off. Without those he would not have run. By then he had to do the background work to make sure he could get the support and organization. He also had to do some seling with his wife who was reluctant at first. I don't necessarily think it was purposeful to wait though I think it could end up being perfect timing. If he had entered early he may not have picked up a lot of early support and the campaign would have stagnated like most of the others. Instead, he let the others meander along, have everyone say how weak the field is, how iffy a Dean chance would be and have poeple claoring for the anti-Dean. He now rides in just as people start paying attention and he's getting a ton of media attention as the new guy and a breath of frsh air. If it was startegy I think it was a good one. He as done a good deal of background work and has an all-star cadt working with him. An ex-director of Kerr's campaign has joined and another might join soon. He has 30-40 members of Congress lined up to support him. That is the most remarkable thing here IMO. Only Gephardt has more, and of course he's been in Congress for a long time.

Yeah Clark is #2 by default because he should have started ahead of Dean but he's let him take the spotlight. All the candidates are generally seen as liberal other than Lieberman who just isn't interesting anyone. Clark is coming in as the one who can appeal to moderates, but also liberals as well -- even Michael Moore is in love with him as is Janeane Garofolo. He will have support from very liberal members of Congress. It's called broad-bases support and yes he win the 'Reagan/Southern Democrats' that Gore had trouble with and the Independents. He is ideal to take on the President because obviously the President wants run on security -- he has sure as hell can't run on the economy! And Clark trumps him on securtity so what's left. Clark is the right man at the right time in the right place.

Tu, nobody is going to stand down. As for unions, several big unions, specifically the 1.5 million emmber AFSCME (which helped elect Clinton in 91/92), delayed their endorsements specially because of Clark, they said as much. If Clark's campaign shows positive signs he will get their endorsement. He already has the endorsement of the most prominent Afircan American in Congress, Charlie Rngel from New York. He predicted that Clark would win. He will get other minority endorsements too. FWIW, Al Sharpton has spoken very favorably. I'm not sure Dean is getting any unions behind him, unless it's clear that he's going to win, does he have any yet? Gephardt has then for the most part. gain, Clark can get a very broad level of support from liberals to moderates to independents to even some Republicans. This is a good thing, a very good thing.
 

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haha I'm watching Republicans all over the place doing whatever they can to smear Clark. lol they are literally in panic mode. They can see the writing on the wall. Republicans are a lot of things, but politicially stupid they are not. The fact that they are trying to hit Clark so hard speaks volumes. You won't hear a whisper out of them critizing Dean. They have and they will contribute to his campaign. That's the right-wing conspiracy that will be at work here...everyone is so amazed at all the money Dean has raised...put 2+2 together folks. This isn't rocket science. Don't elect Bush's man, elect the man that can beat him. Go Clark!
 

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