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withdrawing our security forces destabilized the region and created the vacuum ISIS needed to grow

Obama reversed the surge, security vanquished, the country fell into despair.

Which would lead one to believe, logically based upon Bush's very transparent Allegiance to Saudi Arabia (Sunni Tribe) (Google: "Bandar Bush", for info re: Bush In Service to Sunni Saudi Arabia) and also Obama's allegiance to The Saudis that once (Shia Tribe) Iraq was successfully De-Stabalized that The Saudis would then go in and take control of the Oil there.

But, apparently, they did not.

Why?

Instead The Saudis, it appears....just allow a ripe for takeover Shia Iraq to be in Turmoil, the Oil exploited by ISIS who, granted they are Fundamentalist (Sunni) Islamists like The Saudis and do share the common goal of ousting Assad in Syria then turning Syria into a Fundamentalist Islamic State.

But what prevented The Saudis from doing that to Iraq?


Thats the part I do not understand. Sunni and Shia do not generally get along very well. Iran is predominately Shia.

Was the Saudis not conquesting, taking over Iraq because of Iran?
 

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I am looking forward to not having Al Sharpton and Black Lives Matter advising our president. If you really want to discuss racism. I am tired of apologizing to islam every time there is a terrorist attack where the administration first tries saying it wasn't islam and then makes excuses for islam. I am tired of our administration apologizing to iran, paying them ransom for hostages, easing the sanctions up all while they continue to shout death to America. Hillary lost. The election is over. Shut the fuck up.
 

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well, it's not just about the fact that he is openly racist
he is openly insensitive with lack of empathy and tact
he is someone who represents the united states of america, and it is hard to respect someone who has acted like an infant on national television. he is inarticulate and questionably illiterate.
he has zero experience in making changes in social reform when that is one of the biggest and dynamic platforms in our country whether people want to admit it or not. it extends from immigration to police violence and to LGBT rights. he offers zero solution to any of the groups other than telling poor black people 'what has obama done for you? voting for me can't be any worse.' at best he offered them jobs because he thinks a low wage job is going to solve their problems.

yes the country needs fiscal reform, but i have never prioritized money over treating other human beings decently.



You are a perfect example of what Illini just posted.........you should put your application in @ CNN I'm sure they could
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I am looking forward to not having Al Sharpton and Black Lives Matter advising our president. If you really want to discuss racism. I am tired of apologizing to islam every time there is a terrorist attack where the administration first tries saying it wasn't islam and then makes excuses for islam. I am tired of our administration apologizing to iran, paying them ransom for hostages, easing the sanctions up all while they continue to shout death to America. Hillary lost. The election is over. Shut the fuck up.


Excellent Post. Not until I read it did it hit me, how YUGE a Weight it will be off of our shoulders, no longer having a Muslim Born man who got elected President say to us that we are not allowed to recognize Truths that are written in black and white in Islamic Holy Texts themselves.

To me, that was the worst part other than the Terror the religion of peace has forced the world to suffer for now 1400 years, past that the most draining part was having this guy get up there and lie right to our faces, for so damn long and such transparent lies.

I understand that there are, indeed, millions of Muslims who'd prefer the world be a peaceful place and that do not want to have to follow everything their Ideology demands but its not even allowed to draw a PICTURE of Mohammed

and we were expected to believe that its OK for Muslims to change Mohammed's WORDS?

To Refuse to follow some of his Commands? To pick and choose parts of The Holy Q'uran (The Word of God which must be obeyed) to follow and some to not?!!?

The Lies have been utterly exhausting. The Apologizing to Iran was devastating, to some Americans.

Thank God he is soon gone.

And Thank You to Our Veterans.
 

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withdrawing our security forces destabilized the region and created the vacuum ISIS needed to grow

Bush mismanaged the war by not having "the surge" from day one. He extended the war by years, wasted lives and money. The surge won the war by bringing security and then the cooperation and trust of the Iraqi people.

Obama reversed the surge, security vanquished, the country fell into despair.

Remember 2012? Obama and the democrats called Iraq "his greatest accomplishment". You can't blame Bush for Obama's decision to withdraw security forces.



Although I blame Bush's mismanagement of the war for giving us Obama, Obamacare and the lost decade


Talk about sheep....to freaking funny. How the fuck can you blame the creation of Isis on the withdrawal of forces that began AFTER ISIS and the Taliban were already formed???? What were we supposed to do, stay in Iraq for ever and run the police and government for them? Give me a break. Classic "conservative" rhetoric. Why did Bush invade Iraq in the first place? Talk about one of the biggest lies, disaster and human tragedy ever bestowed on the American public.

Iraq fell into despair when we invaded for no reason.

And the other classic conservative rhetoric- Obamacare. It's a shame that you and all of the other conservatives don't believe that ALL Americans should have access to health insurance. Not saying that it's perfect, and it does need reform. Problem is. I haven't heard anything from the conservatives on how they plan on doing that. It's been a nice talking point though.... the Obamacare boogie man which by the way has only been in effect since 2014.
 

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You are a perfect example of what Illini just posted.........you should put your application in @ CNN I'm sure they could
find something for you.


Actually halekulani's post is spot on and you are a perfect example of the conservative sheep with Fox & Breitbart news.
 

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Talk about sheep....to freaking funny. How the fuck can you blame the creation of Isis on the withdrawal of forces that began AFTER ISIS and the Taliban were already formed???? What were we supposed to do, stay in Iraq for ever and run the police and government for them? Give me a break. Classic "conservative" rhetoric. Why did Bush invade Iraq in the first place? Talk about one of the biggest lies, disaster and human tragedy ever bestowed on the American public.

Iraq fell into despair when we invaded for no reason.

And the other classic conservative rhetoric- Obamacare. It's a shame that you and all of the other conservatives don't believe that ALL Americans should have access to health insurance. Not saying that it's perfect, and it does need reform. Problem is. I haven't heard anything from the conservatives on how they plan on doing that. It's been a nice talking point though.... the Obamacare boogie man which by the way has only been in effect since 2014.

:lolBIG:

First of all, as Obamacare (and Cuba, for that matter) prove, "access to health insurance" and access to actual quality healthcare are two different things. Many who gained coverage with this social engineering disaster can't afford to use it. Three cheers for central planning!

Second, where in the Constitution does it say the federal government must provide "health insurance" for every American? Or, for that matter, any product or service sold on the open market?

"Obamacare boogieman" face)(*^%

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Yeah, worked out pretty much as we expected.

Thank God Trump won!
 

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Funny how Trump always gets tied to Russia, but Hillary sold out to Middle Eastern countries for millions of dollars.
 

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no i'm saying that if you're the president, you are a national figure. having habits that endorse the support of extremists is not good. you can be racist without attending kkk rallys. trump has a history of discriminatory practices, but i guess that's not really racist in your eyes, is it?

This dude is a totAL asswipe. Come oN down to the Poly forum and take your medicine like vit, guesstard and GayFinch just did.
 

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Talk about sheep....to freaking funny. How the fuck can you blame the creation of Isis on the withdrawal of forces that began AFTER ISIS and the Taliban were already formed???? What were we supposed to do, stay in Iraq for ever and run the police and government for them? Give me a break. Classic "conservative" rhetoric. Why did Bush invade Iraq in the first place? Talk about one of the biggest lies, disaster and human tragedy ever bestowed on the American public.

Iraq fell into despair when we invaded for no reason.

And the other classic conservative rhetoric- Obamacare. It's a shame that you and all of the other conservatives don't believe that ALL Americans should have access to health insurance. Not saying that it's perfect, and it does need reform. Problem is. I haven't heard anything from the conservatives on how they plan on doing that. It's been a nice talking point though.... the Obamacare boogie man which by the way has only been in effect since 2014.

Another Socal liberal joke...what is it with the smog out there? Does it make you retarded or are you born that way?
 

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there are so many reasons and there really isn't one primary one that will solve the rest.

things are inherently more expensive in our country for one. the dollar is worth more than a peso and will always be. i am not going to accept the salary of what a doc makes in mexico even though he is capable of doing the same thing. the cost of living here is not the same as in mexico so again it doesn't really make sense to compare countries imo. anyways, science is expensive, which leads to high prices of R&D. united states has the wealth to pay and fund profits for pharma companies so it is more expensive here than elsewhere. prices negotiated to other countries are presumably based on their ability to pay and i'm sure they have analysts that can predict # of consumers and the optimal pricing point. however, after time, other countries make generics from our high investment and sell at a lower cost. our high investment being the assumption we consider these pharma companies US entities even though they do have a lot of offshore development.

the high cost of education that develops US graduates that go into PhDs, nursing, technicians, and physicians has to pay workers at a rate so that they are not in poverty given the high skill level and demand that is required of such professions. the funding in medicaid is also funds residencies across the country. residents are the primary workhorse and backbone of academic county hospitals that treat the indigent, poor, uninsured, and take on the most complex cases. medicaid funding is one of the biggest targets in this election fyi. how much do residents make? 80 hrs/week avg 8-10 bucks an hour depending on what city you're doing your residency.

why are hospital bills so high? every person that interacts with a patient is an employee. for a hospital to run efficiently for the high volume, tasks are specialized to meet such efficiency. but each task has a high minimum requirement of training. phlebotomists, nurses, lab techs etc typically have college degrees, which funnel back to the earlier point, which is the high cost of education. who is often overlooked? patient transporters, cooks, food delivery services, janitors, and a very deep level of support staff ranging from case managers to social workers to physical therapists. on average, each patient is being serviced by at least 10 different people. it's not just doctors, nurses, and pharmacists.

hospitals are acute medical centers meaning to get quick turnaround time and faster delivery of health care, things will be more expensive. emergency room bills and receives at 100% reimbursement rate. people who utilize the emergency department for typical outpatient healthcare are one of the biggest drivers of cost per capita. why? because if you come into the emergency dept, doctors are obligated to rule out life threatening diseases that often come with the price of expensive tests. the other reason for high cost per capita? the super sick people that keep getting readmitted to the hospital. i mean people who often have little to no quality of life but are being kept alive by their own wishes or by family members who are unwilling to let them go. (http://www.theatlantic.com/business...made-up-50-of-us-health-care-spending/251402/) . people bash on the US for spending so much, but let's not forget we still are the gold standard that the elite seek. people complain about how we have the worst system yet we still have the best doctors. in short, we are really good at keeping people alive who probably shouldn't be. the same driver of innovation is also the burden of the country. nobody here accepts less than the best yet 99% of the population cannot afford what i or any of my collegues do out of pocket.

and that brings me to my next point. culture. people here do not accept death so readily. again to reiterate what has been stated above, it has driven both innovation and costs.

high costs are also "inflated". the bandaid you got is probably a 10 dollar charge. sure there's things like paying for it to be placed and stocking fee, but also sometimes insurance companies only reimburse a % of what is charged. so if a hospital wants more money, they just make higher prices. i know it sound stupid and this also is anecdotal and isn't entirely true, but a part of me says it really is.

how does reimbursement work? well when patients are diagnosed and admitted to the hospital, some non-healthcare entity has decided that it should cost X dollars to treat and discharge a patient safely. of course, doctors think these people are idiots and sometimes it takes more than X dollars to treat a patient. multiple diagnoses do give higher reimbursements, but there is a cap on how many diagnoses are reimbursed per admission. and this is not helpful when someone is insanely sick. and this is really not helpful if they return to the hospital within 30 days, which is deemed a "bounceback", and the hospital is penalized for "poor delivery of care" and is reimbursed at a reduced rate. too many bouncebacks in a year will punish the hospital severely and reduce rates across the board. again, rules made by non doctors are really dumb. we are doctors, not gods. some people are destined to get sick again no matter what we do to the best of our abilities. we will treat and do our duty even at a net loss.

on a complete tangent, the current model is designed to pay for how much you do and not for how much you know. primary care pays the least yet is needed the most. on the flip side, patients dont like to be told to suck it up, take dayquil for their colds and want instant relief with antibiotics whether it is indicated or not. a balance between expectations, understanding, and trust is really lacking. to build those things, it takes time and money, which most people don't have. and insurance companies continue to reap profits, which most docs think is at a criminal rate, because lets be honest, insurance companies don't really make anything. they are just a middle man holding the money between the consumer and the provider. ideally the insurance companies should do something positive with excess net profits rather than feeding their own but i guess that's another dialogue.

there are way too many problems with the system with too many conflicts of interest. everyone is at fault, including the docs, who are trying to grind out $ as well. i'm not going to deny that at all. even at 6 figure salaries, many think they deserve more.



thnks for the thorough reply.


here's another USA healthcare practitioner's thoughts. He echo's a few your concerns. Copying and pasting..............thought i'd share.






American doctors in every state! I feel this president-elect period will be our best opportunity to speak up to Congress and President Elect Trump about what Obamacare replacement should look like. Trump appears to be the judge type manager who wants to hear both sides of the argument and, as we all know, only the Congressmen who were formerly healthcare providers even have a clue what is involved minute to minute, day to day, year to year, NOT THE INSURANCE COMPANIES NOR PUBLIC CORPORATIONS. I sent the following letter to my Senator and Trumps good friend, Jeff Sessions, yesterday. I sent that same letter to several Congressmen who were formerly doctors, such as Tom Coburn of Oklahoma, and then president-elect Obama in 2009. The talking points should include:
1) Make healthcare more consumer oriented
2) Empower those consumers and incentivize them toward more responsible health through INDEPENDENT ADVOCACY
3) Get 3rd party payers outside the doctor-patient relationship
4) Level the playing field between doctors and the insurance industry. Repeal McCarron Ferguson that exempts the insurance industry from anti-trust regulation.
5) Control healthcare costs through free PRIVATE enterprise, public corporate enterprise can't control itself.
6 ) Government can play a roll by offering tax incentives to get healthy and stay healthy such as HSAs INDEPENDENT of the insurance industry (tax deduction for high income and tax credit for low income) and fostering Private Insurance Company enterprise and tax incentives for local health initiatives.
7) Make insurance policies more transparent and simple to consumers.
I encourage you to voice your suggestions to your congressmen while Trump is earnestly trying to detail his plan for replacement.

Thanks for taking my phone call Thursday. As I told you, I have written e-mails to my Alabama Congressmen as well as several other Congressmen and President Obama, both individually and through the ADA's mail system expressing my concerns, experiences and suggestions to improve America's healthcare delivery system. There is no debate about both the escalating portions of national expenditures (7.5% GDP in 1975- 18% GDP today) and Consumer Price Index attributable to healthcare delivery. Both the price and consumption of healthcare are BURDENING both consumers and government disproportionately to all other segments of GDP. I believe that a large portion of increased CONSUMPTION cannot be helped. One thing I DON'T hear on the news is that the Baby Boomer bolus is pushing through the aging healthcare hose, grossly increasing demand in services. But this still leaves a sizable portion of consumption and all of PRICE to account for. I believe that the demand from Baby Boomers has enabled/encouraged speculative abusive unrestrained capitalism run-amuck within the healthcare industry about which a lot CAN BE DONE to ease the burden. However, I believe fair and judicious reform must charge ALL players (consumers, providers, insurers, employers or other payors, government, managers, litigators, professional associations, hospitals and other facilities, and suppliers including pharmaceuticals) to contribute and be held accountable. The industry has become so complicated and convoluted that it is incredibly confusing to get a straight answer from anyone involved how to reform and where to start. All players seem to be understandably protective of their own financial interests in the game. None of us are willing to start the process but EVERYBODY wants reform! Unfortunately, reform falls on the shoulders of the government, who probably understands the least about how the healthcare system operates. As both a provider and consumer of healthcare, and a Baby Boomer to boot, I have suggestions for a comprehensive system reform that I believe will address the main issue of this debate, which has been forgotten, COST REDUCTION. I also believe the reform tenets I propose will help improve the other issues debated, access to care, affordability, quality of care and productivity. First, let me say that I don't believe moving toward Universal/Socialized Healthcare is the proper answer, although I do think the eminent threat of it is the ONLY and necessary impetus for ANY reform. There are 6 general tenets, each of which I will give an example. Tenet #1 is to make healthcare more consumer oriented while diminishing the prevailing sense of entitlement of healthcare. Consumers have become progressively detached from the cost of healthcare, largely due to, I believe, intentional measures by the Insurance Industry such as lobbying to implement Employer-Paid-Premium Tax Deduction. This and other measures instituted by the Insurance Industry has fostered an attitude of "I, the consumer, don't really care how much it costs as long as I don't have to pay for it." This pass-the-buck mentality has to stop. Americans need to be made to understand that NOTHING is free, nor without consequences. If you, the consumer, play with your health, you must commisurately pay for your health. If the consumer assumes the initial burden of cost and is empowered (discussed later) and all other players are made answerable DIRECTLY to this empowered consumer, you can bet that costs will be contained!! The first healthcare expenditure dollar should come directly out of the consumers pocket directly to the provider/hospital/insurer/etc. Congress should immediately eliminate employer-paid-healthcare-benefit tax deductions. Employers no longer want to pay for benefits anyway. Then Congress should turn around and provide a tax credit for low-income individuals and tax deduction for higher-income individuals through INDEPENDENT Medical Savings Accounts, not ones administered through Insurance Companies!! MSAs used to be this way (back in the pilot program in 1997) but the Insurance Industry petitioned and were granted by Congress to participate in them later. The INSCO's then proceeded to buy out their competition and further control pricing. I know because I had the first round MSA and as soon as mine was taken over by an Insurance Company, my premiums went way up and my benefits way down. Tenet #2, Empowering the consumer with knowledge through public education initiatives and means to make more prudent healthcare choices through INDEPENDENT Healthcare Advocacy (as opposed to Insurance Company Advocacy) will foster a sense of ownership of individual (or family) health by the consumer and help control waste, fraud, abuse AND MERCHANTILE HYPE. The Independent Healthcare Advocate would be a new profession composed of a team of NO-LONGER-PRACTICING (retired) providers, accountants, managers, maybe clergy who have no financial interest other than their fees and would be hired by the consumer or family to review treatment recommendations and counsel/assist the consumer in making difficult decisions. Second or third opinions may be encouraged and would be subject to benefits reimbursement or tax-deductible. The consumer should be further empowered (and protected) by mandating Insurance Companies to simplify their policies and make them more transparent. Take the higher math out of benefits calculations and merely disclose a simple fee per procedure benefit. Reimbursing a percent of a UCR to in-network providers at a different percent than out-of network providers serves no purpose other than to confuse the beneficiary consumer, making him more prone to defer to his Insurance Company's advice, and encourage providers to put upward pressure on fees in an attempt to recover his discounted percentage. Tenet #3 is to provide Americans incentives to get healthy and stay healthy and disincentives to engage in risky behavior. I, for one, don't want to assume any responsibility for somebody else's healthcare expenditures who neglects his own health or engages in what I consider to be immoral behavior to the detriment of his health. America has arguably the most advanced healthcare in the world yet ranks horribly in overall health and longevity. The government would be instrumental in this. Since the economy is by far the most popular issue, primarily financial incentives followed by quality of life incentives should have the greatest impact. MSAs and Public Recreational Health Initiatives (federal to community) should be motivational. If Americans engage and become healthier, they become more productive.....FOR LONGER in life. If the retirement age were raised as a result, the government and corporations would save massive amounts of money. Tenet #4 is to reinstitute and preserve the doctor-patient relationship. This relationship has been strained,to say the least, over the last 30 years.....curiously. What has happened to so severely erode the basic trust between doctors and patients. The most prevalent complaints I hear by patients are that their doctors don't seem to HAVE THE TIME to hear them and relate to them. The patient at least perceives he isn't getting a good exam, is over tested, is told "Let's TRY this" and given a prescription, has to return multiple times to wait 2 hours each time, can't get emergency treatment by THEIR doctor. This wasn't the case back when Indemnity Insurance was en vogue. The Insurance Industry has fostered this situation yet has no interest in releiving it. Sadly to say that providers have become very complacent as well. Patients yearn for more attention from their doctors and I think are willing to pay for it. Just look at expenditures on fringe and alternative medicine that isn't insured. End of life issues, abortion issues and such would not need to be political issues if the sacred doctor patient relationship were strong. Also, I believe providers would be more prone toward benevolence. Doctors are so preoccupied with survival now, they have little energy for other aspects of medical practice. Doctors used to be held accountable to the Hippocratic Oath (Insurance Companies never were). A profession is defined partly by its autonomy, its obligation and right to govern itself. The AMA which used to be the de facto voice of the profession, charged with upholding standards of care has been supplanted by outside forces and constrained by anti-trust legislation to the point that it has fragmented. Less than 20% of doctors even belong to it any more. That Professional right, along with the responsibility needs to be restored in order for the profession at large to police itself against malpractice and fraud, cooperate for the benefit of the patient, resist merchantile hype and promote benevolent endeavors. After all, they are in the best position to do it according to the Hippocratic Oath. Tenet #5 is tort reform. Healthcare providers do occasionally make mistakes. Some intentionally defraud the public and insurers and should be punished by the legal system. But the legal system is also culpable in fraudulent and predatory behavior regarding healthcare for the same reason as others, because there is so much money flowing through it. Frivilous lawsuits do nothing but cause providers to raise fees to offset increased malpractice insurance premiums, defense lawyer fees and lost time from work. Tenet #6 is to incorporate measures to hold all players accountable. The consumer should be responsible for his own health (and family) and nobody else's and responsible for procuring individual or association insurance policies. Insurance Companies should be answerable directly to consumers, not be allowed to interfere with the doctor-patient relationship, should make their policies simpler and more transparent. One other thing that I find to be an inherent conflict of interest with insurance companies is their obligation to pay out dividends to their shareholders on the one hand yet another obligation to pay out benefits to their policy holders on the other hand. Their motivation is obviously to pay dividends to their shareholders to encourage further investments while withholding benefits to policy holders (or now preferred providers instead) to show profits on their books to their shareholders. I think insurance companies should only be allowed to be PRIVATE COMPANIES. To guard against potential catastrohpic claims that may "strain" their finances, the government could have a "foundation" established to lend them the money. Finally, it's not the governments responsibility to provide permanent healthcare for every American. Yes, its sad that 45,000 Americans die each year who don't have health insurance, not like REP Grayson says "because they can't afford have health insurance". But does that fact give reason for government funded healthcare. I tell you as a taxpayer and voter which makes ME the government, that if I'm asked to pay for others healthcare, I demand that those others live by at least my standards in return. Are those others, who want socialized medicine, willing to conform to a dictated lifestyle? I dare say not. What I've observed about the debate over healthcare is that it is stalled over the public option, just one aspect. That tells me that comprehensive reform is not likely which I think would make things worse. Just like in a business, if you change one policy without consideration for how that policy will influence the entire system, that policy change may actually contradict or conflict with other existing policies, making the entire system less efficient and confusing, causing more problems (more expensive and further work to modify other policies). Our system needs sweeping reform, not just a patch. It will require behavioral modification to be effective toward cost containment while maintaining or improving quality of care and the health and productivity of America.
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This video is a great example how the liberal scum media selectively edits video in order to change and distort. And, the mindless sheep lap it up
like brainless lemmings.

 

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Oh Man, gonna be some Crap behind this:

"Sanctuary Cities" within USA announce "You will be Safe Here"

in response to Trump saying he would deport Criminal Illegal Aliens

so....

You basically have certain US Cities putting the message out there:

"Hey! Are You a Criminal Illegal Alien? If so, come and live with us in ________ "

(Chicago, San Francisco, etc.)


How do you imagine those now living within these cities are going to feel about this?

The invitation to Killers, Rapists, Drug Dealers and other dangerous men to come live with them?


Damn.....this is a Big Development.

Only best Hope is that as few innocent Americans get hurt, as possible.
 

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thnks for the thorough reply.
here's another USA healthcare practitioner's thoughts. He echo's a few your concerns. Copying and pasting..............thought i'd share.

American doctors in every state! I feel this president-elect period will be our best opportunity to speak up to Congress and President Elect Trump about what Obamacare replacement should look like. Trump appears to be the judge type manager who wants to hear both sides of the argument and, as we all know, only the Congressmen who were formerly healthcare providers even have a clue what is involved minute to minute, day to day, year to year, NOT THE INSURANCE COMPANIES NOR PUBLIC CORPORATIONS. I sent the following letter to my Senator and Trumps good friend, Jeff Sessions, yesterday. I sent that same letter to several Congressmen who were formerly doctors, such as Tom Coburn of Oklahoma, and then president-elect Obama in 2009. The talking points should include:
1) Make healthcare more consumer oriented
2) Empower those consumers and incentivize them toward more responsible health through INDEPENDENT ADVOCACY
3) Get 3rd party payers outside the doctor-patient relationship
4) Level the playing field between doctors and the insurance industry. Repeal McCarron Ferguson that exempts the insurance industry from anti-trust regulation.
5) Control healthcare costs through free PRIVATE enterprise, public corporate enterprise can't control itself.
6 ) Government can play a roll by offering tax incentives to get healthy and stay healthy such as HSAs INDEPENDENT of the insurance industry (tax deduction for high income and tax credit for low income) and fostering Private Insurance Company enterprise and tax incentives for local health initiatives.
7) Make insurance policies more transparent and simple to consumers.
I encourage you to voice your suggestions to your congressmen while Trump is earnestly trying to detail his plan for replacement.

Thanks for taking my phone call Thursday. As I told you, I have written e-mails to my Alabama Congressmen as well as several other Congressmen and President Obama, both individually and through the ADA's mail system expressing my concerns, experiences and suggestions to improve America's healthcare delivery system. There is no debate about both the escalating portions of national expenditures (7.5% GDP in 1975- 18% GDP today) and Consumer Price Index attributable to healthcare delivery. Both the price and consumption of healthcare are BURDENING both consumers and government disproportionately to all other segments of GDP. I believe that a large portion of increased CONSUMPTION cannot be helped. One thing I DON'T hear on the news is that the Baby Boomer bolus is pushing through the aging healthcare hose, grossly increasing demand in services. But this still leaves a sizable portion of consumption and all of PRICE to account for. I believe that the demand from Baby Boomers has enabled/encouraged speculative abusive unrestrained capitalism run-amuck within the healthcare industry about which a lot CAN BE DONE to ease the burden. However, I believe fair and judicious reform must charge ALL players (consumers, providers, insurers, employers or other payors, government, managers, litigators, professional associations, hospitals and other facilities, and suppliers including pharmaceuticals) to contribute and be held accountable. The industry has become so complicated and convoluted that it is incredibly confusing to get a straight answer from anyone involved how to reform and where to start. All players seem to be understandably protective of their own financial interests in the game. None of us are willing to start the process but EVERYBODY wants reform! Unfortunately, reform falls on the shoulders of the government, who probably understands the least about how the healthcare system operates. As both a provider and consumer of healthcare, and a Baby Boomer to boot, I have suggestions for a comprehensive system reform that I believe will address the main issue of this debate, which has been forgotten, COST REDUCTION. I also believe the reform tenets I propose will help improve the other issues debated, access to care, affordability, quality of care and productivity. First, let me say that I don't believe moving toward Universal/Socialized Healthcare is the proper answer, although I do think the eminent threat of it is the ONLY and necessary impetus for ANY reform. There are 6 general tenets, each of which I will give an example. Tenet #1 is to make healthcare more consumer oriented while diminishing the prevailing sense of entitlement of healthcare. Consumers have become progressively detached from the cost of healthcare, largely due to, I believe, intentional measures by the Insurance Industry such as lobbying to implement Employer-Paid-Premium Tax Deduction. This and other measures instituted by the Insurance Industry has fostered an attitude of "I, the consumer, don't really care how much it costs as long as I don't have to pay for it." This pass-the-buck mentality has to stop. Americans need to be made to understand that NOTHING is free, nor without consequences. If you, the consumer, play with your health, you must commisurately pay for your health. If the consumer assumes the initial burden of cost and is empowered (discussed later) and all other players are made answerable DIRECTLY to this empowered consumer, you can bet that costs will be contained!! The first healthcare expenditure dollar should come directly out of the consumers pocket directly to the provider/hospital/insurer/etc. Congress should immediately eliminate employer-paid-healthcare-benefit tax deductions. Employers no longer want to pay for benefits anyway. Then Congress should turn around and provide a tax credit for low-income individuals and tax deduction for higher-income individuals through INDEPENDENT Medical Savings Accounts, not ones administered through Insurance Companies!! MSAs used to be this way (back in the pilot program in 1997) but the Insurance Industry petitioned and were granted by Congress to participate in them later. The INSCO's then proceeded to buy out their competition and further control pricing. I know because I had the first round MSA and as soon as mine was taken over by an Insurance Company, my premiums went way up and my benefits way down. Tenet #2, Empowering the consumer with knowledge through public education initiatives and means to make more prudent healthcare choices through INDEPENDENT Healthcare Advocacy (as opposed to Insurance Company Advocacy) will foster a sense of ownership of individual (or family) health by the consumer and help control waste, fraud, abuse AND MERCHANTILE HYPE. The Independent Healthcare Advocate would be a new profession composed of a team of NO-LONGER-PRACTICING (retired) providers, accountants, managers, maybe clergy who have no financial interest other than their fees and would be hired by the consumer or family to review treatment recommendations and counsel/assist the consumer in making difficult decisions. Second or third opinions may be encouraged and would be subject to benefits reimbursement or tax-deductible. The consumer should be further empowered (and protected) by mandating Insurance Companies to simplify their policies and make them more transparent. Take the higher math out of benefits calculations and merely disclose a simple fee per procedure benefit. Reimbursing a percent of a UCR to in-network providers at a different percent than out-of network providers serves no purpose other than to confuse the beneficiary consumer, making him more prone to defer to his Insurance Company's advice, and encourage providers to put upward pressure on fees in an attempt to recover his discounted percentage. Tenet #3 is to provide Americans incentives to get healthy and stay healthy and disincentives to engage in risky behavior. I, for one, don't want to assume any responsibility for somebody else's healthcare expenditures who neglects his own health or engages in what I consider to be immoral behavior to the detriment of his health. America has arguably the most advanced healthcare in the world yet ranks horribly in overall health and longevity. The government would be instrumental in this. Since the economy is by far the most popular issue, primarily financial incentives followed by quality of life incentives should have the greatest impact. MSAs and Public Recreational Health Initiatives (federal to community) should be motivational. If Americans engage and become healthier, they become more productive.....FOR LONGER in life. If the retirement age were raised as a result, the government and corporations would save massive amounts of money. Tenet #4 is to reinstitute and preserve the doctor-patient relationship. This relationship has been strained,to say the least, over the last 30 years.....curiously. What has happened to so severely erode the basic trust between doctors and patients. The most prevalent complaints I hear by patients are that their doctors don't seem to HAVE THE TIME to hear them and relate to them. The patient at least perceives he isn't getting a good exam, is over tested, is told "Let's TRY this" and given a prescription, has to return multiple times to wait 2 hours each time, can't get emergency treatment by THEIR doctor. This wasn't the case back when Indemnity Insurance was en vogue. The Insurance Industry has fostered this situation yet has no interest in releiving it. Sadly to say that providers have become very complacent as well. Patients yearn for more attention from their doctors and I think are willing to pay for it. Just look at expenditures on fringe and alternative medicine that isn't insured. End of life issues, abortion issues and such would not need to be political issues if the sacred doctor patient relationship were strong. Also, I believe providers would be more prone toward benevolence. Doctors are so preoccupied with survival now, they have little energy for other aspects of medical practice. Doctors used to be held accountable to the Hippocratic Oath (Insurance Companies never were). A profession is defined partly by its autonomy, its obligation and right to govern itself. The AMA which used to be the de facto voice of the profession, charged with upholding standards of care has been supplanted by outside forces and constrained by anti-trust legislation to the point that it has fragmented. Less than 20% of doctors even belong to it any more. That Professional right, along with the responsibility needs to be restored in order for the profession at large to police itself against malpractice and fraud, cooperate for the benefit of the patient, resist merchantile hype and promote benevolent endeavors. After all, they are in the best position to do it according to the Hippocratic Oath. Tenet #5 is tort reform. Healthcare providers do occasionally make mistakes. Some intentionally defraud the public and insurers and should be punished by the legal system. But the legal system is also culpable in fraudulent and predatory behavior regarding healthcare for the same reason as others, because there is so much money flowing through it. Frivilous lawsuits do nothing but cause providers to raise fees to offset increased malpractice insurance premiums, defense lawyer fees and lost time from work. Tenet #6 is to incorporate measures to hold all players accountable. The consumer should be responsible for his own health (and family) and nobody else's and responsible for procuring individual or association insurance policies. Insurance Companies should be answerable directly to consumers, not be allowed to interfere with the doctor-patient relationship, should make their policies simpler and more transparent. One other thing that I find to be an inherent conflict of interest with insurance companies is their obligation to pay out dividends to their shareholders on the one hand yet another obligation to pay out benefits to their policy holders on the other hand. Their motivation is obviously to pay dividends to their shareholders to encourage further investments while withholding benefits to policy holders (or now preferred providers instead) to show profits on their books to their shareholders. I think insurance companies should only be allowed to be PRIVATE COMPANIES. To guard against potential catastrohpic claims that may "strain" their finances, the government could have a "foundation" established to lend them the money. Finally, it's not the governments responsibility to provide permanent healthcare for every American. Yes, its sad that 45,000 Americans die each year who don't have health insurance, not like REP Grayson says "because they can't afford have health insurance". But does that fact give reason for government funded healthcare. I tell you as a taxpayer and voter which makes ME the government, that if I'm asked to pay for others healthcare, I demand that those others live by at least my standards in return. Are those others, who want socialized medicine, willing to conform to a dictated lifestyle? I dare say not. What I've observed about the debate over healthcare is that it is stalled over the public option, just one aspect. That tells me that comprehensive reform is not likely which I think would make things worse. Just like in a business, if you change one policy without consideration for how that policy will influence the entire system, that policy change may actually contradict or conflict with other existing policies, making the entire system less efficient and confusing, causing more problems (more expensive and further work to modify other policies). Our system needs sweeping reform, not just a patch. It will require behavioral modification to be effective toward cost containment while maintaining or improving quality of care and the health and productivity of America.
Sincerely,

eh, anyone advocating for MSA is incredibly short sighted
even if you're making double the current minimum wage, that isn't much money at all, and you will still be unable to pay for healthcare

and he offers no plans for what to do when someone shows up at an emergency department critically ill and cannot pay. because those people already flood the ERs and they will continue to at a higher rate. they are sick as shit because these are super old or homeless or alcoholics or iv drug abusers or disabled who cannot work and cannot take care of themselves. and while he might be soul less and be able to turn them away, i'm pretty sure all of my collegues would not be able to do so.

he wants incentives to be healthy...lol. again, i have no idea what this guy is talking about. it's like he only wants to see 18-45 year olds in his private practice office. also, this just goes back to the point that the cost of healthcare is far beyond what most people can pay out of pocket, and i would go so far as to saying that the majority of the middle class probably couldn't pay for a 3 day hospitalization out of pocket or with his stupid MSA plan.

what he also needs to realize is that not everyone's disease is preventable and for preventable diseases not everyone has equal access and time to things like a gym or healthier foods. hell, some people can't even read or have never gotten past middle school b/c they dropped out and have been working ever since. he obviously is clueless as to what some people in poverty are doing to hustle, ie. working two part time jobs just to make ends meet. they are trapped with a glass ceiling b/c they probably already have kids and at that point in life it's most likely 'checkmate, have fun grinding pennies out for the rest of your life' kind of situation. have they made bad decisions contributing to their situation? sure. but his retarded policy isn't going to help any. it also won't prevent socioeconomic inequality either. black people are already poor with the harshest penalties for non violent crimes like crack and weed, and they still are WORSE off with the highest rates of reincarceration (there's also a police bias in there but still). i feel that he is blaming people for their health problems and relabeling it with PC words like "empowering individuals" and "independent advocacy" is 100% a sham. at the end of the day, there is no power without money. and most people don't have money.

bottom line is health care costs have exceeded to such an extent that the middle class cannot to afford it. that is a huge problem. and no, privatization of health care is not going to improve the situation. yes it means more dollars in docs pockets, but it severely limits access to a select few. and honestly, who the fuck is going to be soul less enough to turn away a dying man or woman because he or she doesn't have insurance? his ideas are only going to get doctors in trouble and there will not be any sacred patient to doc relationship b/c no person could ever trust guys like him.
 

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Oh Man, gonna be some Crap behind this:

"Sanctuary Cities" within USA announce "You will be Safe Here"

in response to Trump saying he would deport Criminal Illegal Aliens

so....

You basically have certain US Cities putting the message out there:

"Hey! Are You a Criminal Illegal Alien? If so, come and live with us in ________ "

(Chicago, San Francisco, etc.)


How do you imagine those now living within these cities are going to feel about this?

The invitation to Killers, Rapists, Drug Dealers and other dangerous men to come live with them?


Damn.....this is a Big Development.

Only best Hope is that as few innocent Americans get hurt, as possible.

We'll see if the Federal Govt actually cuts off money to them because of it.If they do, it will be interersting
 

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Great Post, halekulani. Also, on that dude's "4) Level the playing field between doctors and the insurance industry. Repeal McCarron Ferguson that exempts the insurance industry from anti-trust regulation."

Repealing McCarron Ferguson, "easier said than done" would be a massive understatement, The Insurance Lobby would battle Tooth-and-Nail against that.


Great to have Insight here on this stuff, from Medical Professionals such as yourself and Richoff. Interesting stuff.
 

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This dude is a totAL asswipe. Come oN down to the Poly forum and take your medicine like vit, guesstard and GayFinch just did.
why bother? you're good at name calling without actually challenging me with words.
 

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We'll see if the Federal Govt actually cuts off money to them because of it.If they do, it will be interersting

Yeah, no conversation of that yet of course way way way too early for that....Mayors would need to Stand Up Forcefully, In Favor of Increased Burden upon Welfare within their Cities that an influx of Illegals would bring, the increased Congestion, Crime...

...will be interesting to see how it goes, for such Mayors.

Pronouncing from high up on their Hill, from the top of their Palaces:

"OK Heres how its gonna go. This is what I've decided your lives are going to be like."



This has the makings of The Biggest Shitstorm this nation has seen, in a long while. Maybe in Forever cuz I just don't see how people, enmasse, are gonna lay down and accept a potential influx of dangerous individuals...into their cities.
 

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