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DOESN'T THIS MAKE DEAN A HYPOCRITE??

Dean urged Clinton to take unilateral action in Bosnia

By Steve Komarow, USA TODAY

Democratic presidential contender Howard Dean, a strong critic of what he calls President Bush's unilateral approach to foreign policy, urged President Clinton to act unilaterally and enter the war in Bosnia in 1995. (Related item: Text of letter)
"I have reluctantly concluded that the efforts of the United States and NATO in Bosnia are a complete failure," he wrote, citing reports of genocide during the Bosnian civil war. "If we ignore these behaviors ... our moral fiber as a people becomes weakened. ... We must take unilateral action."

The July 19, 1995, letter, obtained by USA TODAY, was written on Dean's official stationery as Vermont governor. The language appears to contradict Dean's core complaint that President Bush has followed a unilateral foreign policy, instead of a multilateral approach that relies on consultation and joint action with allies. He has repeatedly attacked Bush's decision to invade Iraq.

"I think getting rid of Saddam Hussein is a wonderful thing," he saidlast month. "But the question is, is it a good idea to send 135,000 troops unilaterally to do it?"

In the 1995 letter, Dean argued for unilateral action in Bosnia on moral grounds. "As the Catholic Church and others lost credibility during the Holocaust for not speaking out, so will the United States lose credibility," he wrote.

The civil war in the former Yugoslavia gave rise to war crimes and mass murders not seen in the West since World War II. U.N. peacekeeping had failed, but the Clinton administration was undecided on whether to take military action.

Dean told Clinton that America had to intervene alone because the United Nations and NATO were unable to act effectively. He called for Clinton to bomb the Bosnian Serbs and supply arms to the Bosnian Muslims. He opposed using American ground troops.

Clinton eventually won approval from NATO but not the United Nations for a limited bombing campaign that led to peace talks and a NATO peacekeeping force at the end of 1995. About 3,000 U.S. troops are in Bosnia today.

Dean's support for the war in Bosnia is one of several examples he uses to differentiate himself from Democrats who oppose virtually all international intervention. His advisers say his stance has remained consistent over the years: A humanitarian crisis of the scale that occurred in Bosnia should trigger an armed intervention. So, too, would an attack or imminent attack on the United States.

The word "imminent" is key to differentiating Dean's policy from the president's decision to invade Iraq, said Jeremy Ben-Ami, policy director for Dean's campaign.

Bush "sold the war on the basis of an imminent threat to U.S. security, and that has now been shown to be false," Ben-Ami said. Since the threat from Iraq was not imminent, the administration could not properly justify the war, he said.

However, when Bush laid out the case for the war in his 2003 State of the Union address, he said the United States should not wait for an imminent threat.

"Some have said we must not act until the threat is imminent," Bush said. "Since when have terrorists and tyrants announced their intentions, politely putting us on notice before they strike? If this threat is permitted to fully and suddenly emerge, all actions, all words, and all recriminations would come too late. Trusting in the sanity and restraint of Saddam Hussein ... is not an option."

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By the way, I think Clinton's decision to take action in Bosnia WITHOUT UN approval was the correct one and for many of the same reasons that Dean speaks of in this letter.

Dean just used the war in Iraq as an opportunity to springboard his campaign and differentiate himself from the Democrat candidates who voted for the war (Lieberman, Kerry, Gephardt etc.). Clearly he had no objection to unilateral, non-UN mandated action when it was done by a Democrat President.

And you people wonder why the Republicans are winning elections?

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Without UN approval, but it was a NATO mission, not an America alone mission -- BIG DIFFERENCE...for which I might add that General Wesley Clark brokered the Dayton peace accord.
 

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Bosnia was different, and they achieved some good by stopping the Balkan idiots while the euromuppets ponced about.
(For a while at least....
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Iraq is an international f-up of history making proportions, and will be remembered as GWB's only contribution to the world that we live in.
 

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d2 - So you are saying that NATO should decide US foreign policy??

"not an America alone mission" Neither was Iraq. US, UK, Australia, Italy, Spain, Poland, Ukraine, South Korea (and many others) all have troops in Iraq. Yes the UK and US did the bulk of the fighting in Iraq, but they also did the vast majority of the fighting in Bosnia.

eek - So you disagree with the current Democrat position that condemns 'unilateral' military intervention? You seem to be for unilaterism as long as you agree with it. Isn't that the Bush position on unilateralism?

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You play word games while your country makes a fool out of itself like you did in Vietnam.

2 basic things come out of this:

1. GWB has so many resources tied down he can't f-up somewhere else in the world. (Good one)

2. Vietnam taught you nothing. (Bad one)
 

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It not like you cant get the support if you deserve it.

Afghanistan, Bosnia, (Liberia, if you had wanted to help there. If you had tried, whether you succeed or fail, at least you would have tried). Like in Mozambique, you gave it a shot.

Iraq was different.
That was where you stepped over the line of relative neutrality, and became an aggressor, and at the same time destabilised what is a relatively unstable region at the best of times.
If you leave, Iraq will become Lebanon mk2 and you will be blamed for the mess.

If you stay for years, just to stop the place imploding, hardly anyone will thank you because its your fault anyway, and many US personnel will become casualties.

The third option, turning Iraq back into a prosperous country, with a stable population, is almost impossible from both a political and a financial perspective.
Too many factions, too much corruption, huge international debt (about $100 billion and collecting interest), lots of oil wealth for groups to fight over and sell illegally.
(Legal sales of oil will have a big chunk of $'s removed, to service the debt. Since the country is a pile of rubble, what kind of Iraqi would be happy with that?)

All thats left if you want to decouple quickly is one of those Junta systems, like the one the Russians left behind when they did a runner from Afghanistan.(Just set the timer...and run.)

I'll actually be happy for you if you can really sort it out. But my money is on a long term disaster.
Hopefully, in this case, i'm a good fade, like with my sportsbetting.....

[This message was edited by eek on January 14, 2004 at 04:05 PM.]
 

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"Bosnia was different, and they achieved some good by stopping the Balkan idiots while the euromuppets ponced about.
(For a while at least.... )"

I would love to hear the difference between Iraq and Bosnia in terms of human suffering. This ought to be good.
 

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Why couldn't the Euro-jerks clean up their own backyard???... More American blood and money.


Where was the almighty liberals favorite institution, the UN?...What does the fxckin UN supposed to do do anyway??besides suck up US real esate and money.
Where were the UN resolutions for Bosinia??? There were 17 for Iraq?...So which conflict was more justified??
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Igetp2s:
"Bosnia was different, and they achieved some good by stopping the Balkan idiots while the euromuppets ponced about.
(For a while at least.... )"

I would love to hear the difference between Iraq and Bosnia in terms of human suffering. This ought to be good.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There was clear, ongoing ad imminent ethnic cleansing going on in Kosovo for which the intervention, by all accounts, spared the lives of around 1.5 million Albanians for a total cost of around 4 billion dollars and cost the lives of 0 Americans and very very few innocent civilians. Honestly, if you can't see how this differs from 2003 Iraq then you might have a spot at Bush's cabinet meetings involving the deaf and blind (no offense meant, that just seemed appropriate
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Patriot:
Why couldn't the Euro-jerks clean up their own backyard???... More American blood and money.


Where was the almighty liberals favorite institution, the UN?...What does the fxckin UN supposed to do do anyway??besides suck up US real esate and money.
Where were the UN resolutions for Bosinia??? There were 17 for Iraq?...So which conflict was more justified??<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Patriot, the "Euro-jerks" did. Kosovo was not an American mission, it was a NATO mission. And the number of dead Americans in the mission totalled ZERO, such NATO mission being led by General Wesley Clark. The total cost to the US for saving these 1.5 mil Albanians from ethnic cleansing was around the cost of Bush's dumbass marriage proposal. Let me see...1.5 million lives...or marriage counseling for people who don't like each other...hmmmm?
 

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D2,

The Bosnian conflict was at the time estimated to cost the U.S. 2 billion PER YEAR...we've been there since 1994 I think so we're looking at 20 billion not 4 billion and I'd bet it costs way more than that. And we are still there and haven't caught the top two criminals...Where's the outrage by the left?
By the way I do support our efforts in Bosnia.
 

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Europe still has much of its pre-WW2 politics, allegiances and prejudices.
Its one of the reasons us Brits don't trust them one little bit.

When Croatia declared unilateral independence, their old mates Germany had an embassy installed within a few days.
You would not find the Germans rushing to put an embassy into Serbia...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I would love to hear the difference between Iraq and Bosnia in terms of human suffering. This ought to be good <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>.

Iraq was never about that.
As with Cambodia, Zimbabwe, Rwanda yada yada yada.....
The official BS was WMD.
The REAL BS was oil reserves.
and the "suffering of the Iraqi people" was very much a propaganda afterthought.

US intervention in Bosnia was mainly because the place is in Europe, and there was enough european influence to convince the US to act.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Why couldn't the Euro-jerks clean up their own backyard???... More American blood and money.
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Correct Patriot.
Why are there UK forces in Iraq? But there are no other major contributions from the larger euro-powers?
Europe is still divided into different camps.
We're only buddies on paper. The tribalism runs deep and the history is one of conflict.
Trying to get a decision, a really important decision out of them, is a nightmare, because they all have different allegiances.
(The eurozone is fine for business & money, but usless for war.)

Strategically, the US is a better bet for the UK, especially from the military angle, when fast decisive action needs to be taken.
 

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D2...What do you call 15k dead kurds in Iraq from mustard gas??...Unethnic cleansing?

If the situation was justified in Bosnia in euro backyard.
Wheres the UN' thanks and help when we needed help to enforce THEIR 17 resolutions in Iraq???

This situation would be much,much further along with less trouble if they chose to go along with us,instead of fight us every inch of the way.
You don't know how much I want to see the Eiffel tower on its side,if there is another major terroist attack...then its their turn in the barrel....see how they like it, those dirty ungrateful cocsuckers if it wasn't for the US they would be speaking broken German right now.
 

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"There was clear, ongoing ad imminent ethnic cleansing going on in Kosovo for which the intervention, by all accounts, spared the lives of around 1.5 million Albanians for a total cost of around 4 billion dollars and cost the lives of 0 Americans and very very few innocent civilians."

Lets see. Maybe you might have missed the mass graves in Iraq. If you think there's no ethnic cleansing going on in Iraq, then the discussion pretty much ends there as you are clueless.

1.5 million Albanians were saved? How many Iraqis were saved? 24 million.

Total cost 4 billion. Besides the fact I have no clue where you got that number from, I didnt realize saving people was only important when it is cost efficient. I'm guessing you used to work at Ford in the 1970's.

"very very few innocent civilians"

What did you base this on? And what is your definition of few?

"Kosovo was not an American mission, it was a NATO mission. And the number of dead Americans in the mission totalled ZERO"

That is exactly the point. Had this been a NATO mission, or a broad based international mission as it should have been, then the cost to the US would have been much less both in terms of casualties and economic cost. The fact that this is a US mission and not an International one is a question on those who did not fight for Iraq, not a question on the US.
 

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The entire situation in Iraq has NOTHING to do with how many Iraqis were killed by the Iraqi regime.

Its just part of GWB's oil heist.
The WMD was a calculated gamble as an excuse to invade.
The hope was that they could dig some up after the Invasion.
That scam failed miserably.

So now its the "save the Iraqi people" BS.
They have been saved, but only by coincidence.

The USA has never given a rats ass how many internal citizens are killed by whatever regime in whatever part of the world.
It never has, it never will.
Otherwise you would be invading dozens of dodgy murdering regimes around the world.

Its just a smokescreen, a straw for the GWB apologists to grasp at.

The implication that US White House actually cares about murdered civilians in far away foreign countries, especially Arab countries, is sooo laughable.

In this area, the US has zero credibility.
 

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Its just part of GWB's oil heist.

Yes we are currently setting up a pipline from Iraq to Texas to completely drain their oil supply...I think the pipeline ends in Crawford right near Bush's ranch.
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