How we really got into this mess...THE TRUTH

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I'm just saying, don't come in here pounding that "Regulation
Failed the Housing/Mortgage Industry"
crap cause i'll squash that bullshit real fast.

Carry on.

a free market with sound money and no fed self regulates itself dude

some independent guy was screaming at the SEC since 2000 that madoff was a ponzi scheme

they ignored him

what works better independent fraud investigators

or a big bloated regulatory agency that costs the taxpayer tons?

hell tiz and many other "kooks" were screaming from the top of his lungs that these banks were building up unsustainable leverage and the system was gonna implode at some point for like 3 years and nobody listened to him either

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If you were going to point at one man to blame I would pick Sen Phil Graham of Texas. When he was head of the Senate banking committee.

Phil Graham had a heavy hand in writing the bill the killed off G/S, but Bill Clinton did NOT have to sign it. But he happily DID sign it as the POTUS and somehow you choose to find fault with Graham and not with Clinton??
 

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There is enough blame to go around.

I have recently had several opportunities on various news programs to discuss the economy and what is wrong with the so-called economic stimulus package. I have said over and over what we shouldn’t be doing, and now I’d like to explain what we should be doing.



But to improve the situation, you must first have a solid grasp of how we got here. Government policies and central planning created the housing bubble, now going bust. About a decade ago the government made expanded homeownership and affordable housing a public goal. Through Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and the secondary mortgage market the government incentivized creative, low down-payment, more widely available mortgage products, and discouraged the market-proven lending standards of the past. The Federal Reserve kept interest rates artificially low, which added more fuel to this fire. Many related sectors temporarily flourished because of this, and many people got into homes they otherwise could not have afforded. The increased demand for housing sent prices soaring until in many markets housing became even more unaffordable, necessitating even more creative mortgages, and impossibly leveraging homeowners. Many risky investment vehicles such as mortgage-backed securities, derivatives, credit default swaps grew out of this unsustainable situation. As the foreclosures began, the house of cards started to tumble. Too many people have confused the symptoms and the pain of the bust with the problematic policies that caused the bubble, which is really what needs to be treated.



First of all, just as the best cure for a hangover is not to drink so much, the best cure for a recession is a recession. It is time to sober up and return to free market sanity, risk and reward, supply and demand, without political intervention. Politicians are good at catering to the needs of special interests, but very bad at determining what needs to take place in the market. Government should stick to punishing fraud and enforcing contracts. When they use the tax code, bureaucratic departments and their manipulative rules and regulations to dictate social and economic behavior, we end up with distortions and malinvestments. Bailing out banks, continuing failed Fed policies and strapping the taxpayer with toxic debt will worsen the pain, and punish the innocent.



If Congress really wanted to do something helpful, it would cut taxes. Ideally, we would repeal the income tax altogether and get the IRS off the economy’s back, which would be a huge boon. We should also cut spending. Cut every unconstitutional department and program, every wasteful governmental encroachment on the people’s liberty and money, starting with our massive overseas empire. The cost of our empire is bringing us to our knees, just as the Soviets’ empire did to them. Congress should also abolish the Federal Reserve and take back its responsibilities to ensure sound money, safe from the manipulations of powerful banking interests.



These things would constitute real change, real economic stimulus. The plans being bandied about Washington are just more of the same. As long as no one seriously considers the cure, we are unfortunately destined to prolong the disease.


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I think that there is enough blame to go around. Both parties contributed to this mess.


No shit!!! Why does everyone keep on bitching about who is to blame!? I mean really what is done is done now we ALL have to move on and hope that our elected officials make the right choices.

I don't give a fuck who the new president was going to be unless that motherfucker had a magic wand that magically make things better by just waving it in the air the new president was going to have a HARD job in front of him.
 
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Doesnt matter who created the mess but how to fix it...If Obama fixes it & gets the credit then so be it.
 
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I blame the citizens of the USA.

The ones that are too damn lazy to get out and earn a wage. The ones that will not do manual labor that business and farmers have to resort to hire immigrants to do it.

The ones that cant save a freakin cent.

The ones that have to live beyond their means. The ones that need a freakin 50" flat screen but cant afford to pay the fukin light bill.

The ones that try to cheat the system with unemployment, food stamps, bankrupt protection, etc.

The CEO's and board of directors that think put themselves above the shareholders.

The politcians that put special interests above the people.

The trial lawyers that have screwed up the legal system.

Religion. Don't get me started on that.

The dope pushers.

The men and women that cant keep their cocks and twats in check.


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well...thanks for starting this thread. I was thinking about starting a thread asking how we got into this mess. Seriously. I myself didn't have the answer.
This is some complicated shit, no?
 

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