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How Taxes Work - A Simple Explanation



HOW TAXES WORK...


This is a VERY simple way to understand the tax laws.


Let's put tax cuts in terms everyone can understand. Suppose that every day ten men go out for dinner. The bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this.


The first four men -- the poorest -- would pay nothing; the fifth would pay $1, the sixth would pay $3, the seventh $7, the eighth $12, the ninth $18 and the tenth man -- the richest -- would pay $59.


That's what they decided to do. The ten men ate dinner in the restaurant every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement -- until one day,the owner threw them a curve (in tax language a tax cut). "Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily meal by $20." So now dinner for the ten only cost $80.00.


The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes. So the first four men were unaffected. They would still eat for free. But, what about the other six -- the paying customers? How could they divvy up the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his "fair share?"


The six men realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But, if they subtracted that from everybody's share. Then the fifth man and the sixth man would end up being PAID to eat their meal. So the restaurant owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.


And so the fifth man paid nothing, the sixth pitched in $2, the seventh paid $5, the eighth paid $9, the ninth paid $12, leaving the tenth man with a bill of $52 instead of his earlier $59. Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to eat for free.


But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings. "I only got a dollar out of the $20," declared the sixth man, but he, pointing to the tenth. "But he got $7!". "Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man, "I only saved a dollar, too, .........It's unfair that he got seven times more than me!".


That's true!" shouted the seventh man, why should he get $7 back when I got only $2?" The wealthy get all the breaks!". Wait minute," yelled the first four men in unison, "We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!"


The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up. The next night he didn't show up for dinner, so the nine sat down and ate without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered, a little late what was very important. They were FIFTY-TWO DOLLARS short of paying the bill!


Imagine that!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and college instructors, is how the tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up at the table anymore.


Where would that leave the rest? Unfortunately, most taxing authorities anywhere cannot seem to grasp this rather straight-forward logic!
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> "Many of you are well enough off that ... the tax cuts may have helped you," Sen. Clinton said. "We're saying that for America to get back on track, we're probably going to cut that short and not give it to you. We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."
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This what makes democrats and especialy Hillary dangerous.
 

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When you were a democrat, what issues did you support?
 

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Hillary should scare the hell out of all American producers.

Just imagine the producers in America work all their lives to own a nice home and save money over all their working life to retire and this socialist decides all your hard work is for not and should be taken from you and given to someone that did not produce. There's so many opportunities in America we all have a chance to start with nothing and make something of our lifes.
 

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Democrats have done and have been a for a lot of good things and really have accomplished a lot...but they have gone so far left that they are now insane.
I have supported workers saftey and rights.
Civil and equel rights.
Todays democrats look at anytype of military action through the prism of vietnam.
I use to believe in social programs only to see what a scam they are they help the helpless be more helpess, and encourage helplessness...i use to be for a womans right to abort and still em,but I realized that some woman use as a form of birth control so society says it OK.Its not OK.
I grew up in a typical Massachusetts lower middle class family,in your living room you had a picture of the pope on one wall and a picture of JFK on another wall.
If you were to look at the politics of JFK,he would by todays standards be considered a moderate republican.
I learned that new ideas are not always good ideas and somtimes old ideas are still the best.
I think Mark Twain said "When I was 16 my father was the dumbest man in the world.When I was 21 I never knew how intelligent a man could get in 5 years"
 

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Well, funny how life changes your views, eh? I used to be a Progressive Conservative -- was even a member of the Junior PCs when I was a kid -- I voted in favour of free trade in my first election in '88. Still favour free trade, btw. Somewhere along the way I became active in charities and realised that there really is such a thing as the 'common good.' I'm not a socialist yet, but hey, there's still time.
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Buttercup,,,I'm for charities too they are twice as efficient as any bloated goverment agincies are in dolling out handouts.

If the libs were so concerned about the poor reciving aid the last place they should start is with the goverment.
A 100 dollars tha goes to the goverment gets chewed up at at least 50%..becaus you have to hire 3 people to to one persons job and give them all sick days and vaction days and admin cost and on and on.

They did a study about 5 years ago and found out that Mass. who has one of thee highest tax rates in the country donated the least to charity in the country...where as Utah,one of the least taxed states in the country donated more of their extra income than anyone in the country.
 

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By the way John Kerry if he becomes pres. will be thee
richest couple to ever hold the presidency.
But did you know...in 1993 and 1995 John Kerry according to his Mass tax returns donated 0 that right zero to charity.
Ted Kennendy another mofo who never saw a tax bill he didn't like,executed his mothers will in Florida so that he would not have to pay taxes in Mass.
fxckin hypocrites.
 

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That's not really what I'm talking about, tho. I'm talking about that part of the social fabric that aims to make history out of charities. Lunch programs for poor kids at school, for example. You can't learn if you're hungry. Gov't funding for Universities so that a good education is accessible to all of us, not just the Hilton sisters. You know, the stuff that starts at the roots and gives everyone equal footing. I think welfare and that kind of stuff is more demeaning than it is helpful. As a temporary fix, fine, but for a long-term solution it's useless. We've introduced gov't-funded retraining programs for welfare and unemployment insurance recipients. That is a good step.

On a more ideological level, I don't think anyone needs to own a $40,000 purse while their are uneducated children nearby. There's something insanely perverse about that, in my view. While I get the 'stealing from the rich' argument and it certainly is valide, a society that never really gets around to promoting wealth as their principle success measure has an easier time of creating that social fabric I speak of.
 

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Another thing is I don't need the goverment to tell me who is deserving of MY money and take it virtually at gunpoint...I don't want my money going for rubbers to 14 year olds and turkey basters for lesbians and all the special intrest artsy fartsy stuff...There is too much of MY money that goes for the "common good."...or whatever democrats deam it is.
 

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Fair enough but then why would you support the $110 Billion+ invasion of Iraq? Why would you support 1.5 million going to promote traditional marriage? Why would you be okay with funding for faith-based charities?

Is the problem that you have an issue with taxes at all, or that you have an issue with what they are spent on?
 

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Patriot,

You're right on the money. It's hard to dipute anything you posted. Kerry, Clinton and Kennedy are 3 of the biggest hypocrits around. They believe in hoarding as much cash as possible for themselves and think they should spend our money as they see fit. Liberal democrats stay out of our pockets and donate some of your fortunes to the needy, you clowns.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> not just the Hilton sisters <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I'll give them an education.

The other thing I have learned is that not to be jealous of the rich...most people have got that way because they earned it.I've learned to respect rich people.
I have nothing against feeding children but when you feed the poor you breed the poor.
And poor is a relative term. I mean there are poor American and poor Sudanese.Which would you rather be?
There is such a thing as morally poor.That breeds more starving children without consequence.There are no more social stigmas attatched,and where 5 generations of welfare are considered the family buisness.
I am a liberal.If you make em,you raisem..how that for free and open.it seems like everybody wants to be free except when there is a price tag or responibility involved.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Fair enough but then why would you support the $110 Billion+ invasion of Iraq? Why would you support 1.5 million going to promote traditional marriage? Why would you be okay with funding for faith-based charities?
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To prevent another trillion dollar hit to our economy.
I think I adressed your other Q in my last post before I even seen your last.
Why not help charities that are in the buisness of charity.God forbid if they got some moral clarity in their life,which the goverment is certainley not in the buisness of.
 

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Shotgun...Boston Herald on Kerry and Kennedy,
The charity thing statewide was a national story about 5 years ago.
There was a repeat of the Kerry story written by Howie Carr of the Boston Herald this year.
 

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By the way X. The dems have had power in the presidancy the senate and the house for a good part of 40-50 years,and its been the same old mantra.Health care, education, starving children, class envy....and they have had 50 years to cure it all and blame the pubbies.

Democrats have to manufacture bad news or they go the way of the buggy whip.
 

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Did the article mention that the 60 dollars of the 10th guy was created by the other 9 guys labour and then handed over to him?

Effectively, a stealth tax on their labour.
(known as profit, This stealthtax can be up to 200% of the value of the wages received by the other 9 guys)

So the 10th guy pissed off, and the other nine found that they could still create the same amount of wealth, because the 10th guy never did any real work in the first place anyway!

So they divided the additional 60 bucks amongst themselves.

(The 10th guy came back a year later because he was losing a fuxxing fortune.
Way, way more than those government taxes ever took from him.)
 

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Oh ok so in your world I invent the light bulb and you want equel share on the profits?
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by eek:
Effectively, a stealth tax on their labour.
(known as profit, This stealthtax can be up to 200% of the value of the wages received by the other 9 guys)

So the 10th guy pissed off, and the other nine found that they could still create the same amount of wealth, because the 10th guy never did any real work in the first place anyway!

So they divided the additional 60 bucks amongst themselves.

(The 10th guy came back a year later because he was losing a fuxxing fortune.
Way, way more than those government taxes ever took from him.)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Eek, in other words:

The poor guys sitting at the table, sponging off the rich guy, were only able to reach their full potential when the rich guy quit paying the way.

Thanks for proving Patriot's point.
 

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