So you say it has not been disproved that the Earth is only 6000 years old and that all creatures were created the way they are now, to name just these examples?
I openly admit that I have not enough Bible knowledge for a true learned discussion on this subject (not that anything of that kind is to be found in this forum, of course), but I do know that even among Christians there is only a small percentage left that still believes the Bible can and should be taken literally.
Zit, if you would provide a decent argument for every time you call me a poser you'd be a real asset to this forum. Unfortunately, personal attacks seem to be the only thing you can do, seeing how little you even try to argue rationally.
Also, since pretty much everything you post has very little credit I believe you are the wrong person to call for value in other people's posts. I won't judge how much value my posts contain but I'm pretty certain that it is a lot more than the wild assertions and straw-man arguments you provide all the time.
Perhaps you should really put me on ignore. It would probably be better for your health, seeing how much worked-up you always get when you fail again and again to prove your or disprove my points. ;-)
A lot of good points by many people in this thread, we'll just never know the answer until that moment comes. I think my philosophy is a lot like Roadreeler's, I consider myself a Christian, and although I do pray I am not hardcore by any means and rarely attend church these days. I personally think that believing in some kind of higher power that is good, along with living a good life and being good to people is more important then the religion chosen. I just find it hard to believe that God wants all these religions slaughtering each other with horrible horrible massacres that have been going on for thousands of years. If there were no religions to separate us all, and we just lived a simple philosophy of being good to everyone and believing in a higher power that is good, it just seems way too easy, but as we know life just isn't that simple.
On another note...whether you are religious or not... I think there are a lot of strange incidences out there in the world that show us something happens to our spirit or energy when we pass away. Some may call it heaven, others would call it some form of afterlife I guess. Although there are a lot of quacks and liars out there, I don't believe that every single person that's had some near death or afterlife experience is lying. One of the books I read that I found quite inspirational is called "90 Minutes in Heaven" by Reverand Don Piper. I also think a lot of mediums are fakes but that there are also some good ones to that are legit and can connect with the other side, and some have done it through university experiments and tests with great success.
Barman: it sounds like you have done some form of channelling, have you ever read any books on some of the famous mediums out there? The last one I read was on a lady named Allison Dubois (The show "Ghost Whisperer" is based on her life) , some pretty cool stuff. I guess my point is that I really think something happens to us with our energy when we die whether we believe in religion or not.
On another note...whether you are religious or not... I think there are a lot of strange incidences out there in the world that show us something happens to our spirit or energy when we pass away. Some may call it heaven, others would call it some form of afterlife I guess. Although there are a lot of quacks and liars out there, I don't believe that every single person that's had some near death or afterlife experience is lying. One of the books I read that I found quite inspirational is called "90 Minutes in Heaven" by Reverand Don Piper. I also think a lot of mediums are fakes but that there are also some good ones to that are legit and can connect with the other side, and some have done it through university experiments and tests with great success.
Barman: it sounds like you have done some form of channelling, have you ever read any books on some of the famous mediums out there? The last one I read was on a lady named Allison Dubois (The show "Ghost Whisperer" is based on her life) , some pretty cool stuff. I guess my point is that I really think something happens to us with our energy when we die whether we believe in religion or not.
There's a guy I work with who was living a real hard life and found god about ten years ago , and is much more at peace now. Which is great, I am happy for him but he takes it too far when he keeps swearing to us all that the earth is no older than 10,000 years old. Anytime anyone tries to refute or argue with him and talk about the amazing things science has found the only excuse he can come up with is "That is the work of the devil trying to mislead you", I just can't imagine living a life that brainwashed by religion.
This statement alone proves that Preussen shouldn't even be posting
in this thread, he has no clue what he is talking about.
The Bible has parts that are clearly literal and parts that are clearly
not. For ignorants like Preussen who choose to try and speak about
things that they know nothing about, the art and science of
textual interpretation is called hermeneutics.
When the Bible states that Jesus was born under Augustus, that is
a historical fact to be taken literally. And archeological evidence supports
the historical and factual statements that the Bible makes like these.
When the Bible says in Jesus' sermon on the mount: "If your eye
offends you, pluck it out" this is not to be taken literally, it is
called hyperbole, and Jesus uses it in numerous places.
And again Zit completely misses the point. ;-)
Of course there are hyperboles in the Bible, this is obviously not what I'm speaking about. Or are you saying that, for example, that the hole book of Genesis is one giant hyperbole?
Everyone who honestly believes that everything that is presented in the Bible as facts is the pure truth, no matter how much it defies current scientific knowledge, cannot be taken seriously, period.
Of course there are hyperboles in the Bible, this is obviously not what I'm speaking about. Or are you saying that, for example, that the hole book of Genesis is one giant hyperbole?
Everyone who honestly believes that everything that is presented in the Bible as facts is the pure truth, no matter how much it defies current scientific knowledge, cannot be taken seriously, period.
From my dealing with reglious people this is what I gather. They can say whatever they like and the non-reglious will never be able to prove them wrong. This is b/c of what they call and have...faith. While I have try to prove them wrong with my limited science knowledge, they can conjure up some ridicilous bullshit to counter. How the hell do you beat someone who has no boundries?
I don't care how smart a motherfucker is, no one knows the truth. I don't give a shit if he built a nuke in his backyard with cupcakes and bananas. He or she is very persuasive in their findings. Just like your mind will see what it wants to see, your ears will hear what it wants to hear.
I'm so sick and tired of these reglious fuckers doing shit in the name of their God. Stop FUCKING KILLING EACH OTHER FOR THAT SHIT!!!!! Dont give a fuck if you a jew, catholic, buddist, or fucking monkey worshippers. STOP THE FUCKING KILLING!!!! Why the fuck do you want to fight over a fucken shitty ass land? Cause it has some reglious bearing? Fucken share. If you can't, go jump off a bridge. But dont go fucking killing people cause you pissed cause you cant share.
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I don't care how smart a motherfucker is, no one knows the truth. I don't give a shit if he built a nuke in his backyard with cupcakes and bananas. He or she is very persuasive in their findings. Just like your mind will see what it wants to see, your ears will hear what it wants to hear.
I'm so sick and tired of these reglious fuckers doing shit in the name of their God. Stop FUCKING KILLING EACH OTHER FOR THAT SHIT!!!!! Dont give a fuck if you a jew, catholic, buddist, or fucking monkey worshippers. STOP THE FUCKING KILLING!!!! Why the fuck do you want to fight over a fucken shitty ass land? Cause it has some reglious bearing? Fucken share. If you can't, go jump off a bridge. But dont go fucking killing people cause you pissed cause you cant share.
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Genesis clreary states on the first day the Earth was created and the very next morning the firmament (space and/or heaven) was then made:
Interestingly enough, the Sun was actually created after the sun and light was and even more compelling Vegetation...was created before the Sun was created. More backwards logic of primitive people...or more tom foolery by GOD? Try growing a plant in your backyard only in the cover of night...see for yourself how important those "two great lights" actually are.
Ill sum it up to you like this.
The bible was written by what was then scholars in a time where nobody knew anything about science thus you get these whoppers, proving they are nothing of divine, but purely human self centered story's in an attempt to make sense of the world. I mean earth being the center of the universe? Come on. The bible from the opening page is a suspect book, thus anything coming down the pipe beyond that must be just the same. Believing in a higher power is something i think most of us do. Do the ends justify the means is the question?
LOL we have pretty concrete evidence that it was written by 40 different authors who have almost all been mentioned in other ancient texts outside of the bible. you really have no idea what you are talking about.
Pruesen where in the bible does it say the earth is 6000 years old? i believe the bible and i believe it is possible the earth could be millions of years old? why do people with no knowledge of the bible always say this?
VFAN, I've not done much reading on the topic of conversing with people who have passed from this plane, though I agree I'd probably find it interesting so should bump a few titles higher in my ToRead box.
My own experiences are very limited, though very real. But I'm sure you can understand that talking about them in much detail here in our often raccous PoliticoPub is a severe waste of time for all concerned.
The standard versions of the Holy Bible do not in fact state "the Earth is only 6000 years old".
Rather, the Book of Genesis definitively states that "mankind is less than 6500 years old".
And if we extrapolate based on the language in Chapter 1 wherein God created the Earth one day and before the seventh day created man (and don't forget created Woman out of a man's rib...lol) it's strongly inferred that the Earth itself is less than 7000 years old.
Correct.
The book of Genesis details the supposed lineage of manking from Adam to Abraham, citing each successive age...with several men allegedly living for 200+ years each. In the first book of the New Testament we get an additional supposed lineage from Abraham to Christ. Combined they're a bit over 4200 years.
I think we all have enough differing perceptions to post without any of us wasting time thinking the Holy Bible is an accurate historical text going back to the "beginning of mankind".
