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Well duhh if they are in the army they have a job. And if they go back to the captive labor pay we had in the 60's we can have plenty.
 

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Not joking about the draft. I think all citizens should serve 2 years. If not the army, the corps of engineers, veterans hospitals, any thing that serves the country.

It will be 2 years well spent. It helps build character at a time when young people need it. It will teach them how to get along with others, and I can promise you it is 2 years of their lives that they will never forget.
 

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I got to ask Willie, about the connection between a good health care program and the 10% unemployment rate, do you really think that creating an efficient health care system will put that many people outta work?
 

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A Canadian slant.

We have had Gov. health care for my entire life.
It is sick care not health care.
We only treat a problem and are not interested in good health.
The system is in shambles.
Almost 50% of the provincial budget is going to health care.
And getting worse.
New drugs to keep people alive and transplants are killing the general idea.
Want an MRI? Try 6 months...........if your lucky.
Dough or no dough.
3 countries make private health care illegal
Cuba, N. Korea and Canada
Wanna be in this group??
 
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I got to ask Willie, about the connection between a good health care program and the 10% unemployment rate, do you really think that creating an efficient health care system will put that many people outta work?


I think it would put a lot of people out of work, but who cares.. This country needs something, the way it is now is simply not working..

I'm scared to death of getting sick or having to go to the hospital and I shouldn't have to feel that way... I've been to hospitals with friends and family and the receptionist or whatever is more interested in what kind of insurance someone has rather than the illness itself..


We live in a country where a woman gets free healthcare because she opens her legs and has a bunch of kids.. What about the single guy who doesn't have kids, works hard to support himself but can't afford the extremely cost of health insurance???

Why should he have to worry about health care more than her? I see people on Medi-cal here all the time, most of them people weren't even born here.. It makes me sick, that they are provided free health care and get free piece of mind where as actual citizens who work hard have to pay obscene amounts to be insured or have to go without insurance and be scared to death of avoiding illness and/or catastrophic injury.. Its insane.

Can someone tell me, how this makes sense and why this process even exists?
 

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Well duhh if they are in the army they have a job. And if they go back to the captive labor pay we had in the 60's we can have plenty.

So you're arguing for increasing the size of our military? because a net / net doesn't increase employment

As we continue down this tangent, there's an argument that a draft would actually hurt many people that might not have many other options and thus they join the military.
 

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I got to ask Willie, about the connection between a good health care program and the 10% unemployment rate, do you really think that creating an efficient health care system will put that many people outta work?

If health care costs increase for businesses, people will lose jobs.

If health care costs increase for consumers, people will consume less stuff and thus more people lose jobs.

When you take money out of the free market, where it's spent much more often and more efficiently, and place it into an inefficient bureaucracy, the economy is less productive.

There is no doubt that by creating the largest bureaucracy in this country, healthcare costs will increase. Stone cold lock of the century.

To me it's obvious for the reasons already stated throughout this thread. Costs increase, quality decreases.
 

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A Canadian slant.

We have had Gov. health care for my entire life.
It is sick care not health care.
We only treat a problem and are not interested in good health.
The system is in shambles.
Almost 50% of the provincial budget is going to health care.
And getting worse.
New drugs to keep people alive and transplants are killing the general idea.
Want an MRI? Try 6 months...........if your lucky.
Dough or no dough.
3 countries make private health care illegal
Cuba, N. Korea and Canada
Wanna be in this group??

six months for an MRI?

my son didn't have to wait 3 hours back in April.

case in point
 

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I think it would put a lot of people out of work, but who cares.. This country needs something, the way it is now is simply not working..

I'm scared to death of getting sick or having to go to the hospital and I shouldn't have to feel that way... I've been to hospitals with friends and family and the receptionist or whatever is more interested in what kind of insurance someone has rather than the illness itself..


We live in a country where a woman gets free healthcare because she opens her legs and has a bunch of kids.. What about the single guy who doesn't have kids, works hard to support himself but can't afford the extremely cost of health insurance???

Why should he have to worry about health care more than her? I see people on Medi-cal here all the time, most of them people weren't even born here.. It makes me sick, that they are provided free health care and get free piece of mind where as actual citizens who work hard have to pay obscene amounts to be insured or have to go without insurance and be scared to death of avoiding illness and/or catastrophic injury.. Its insane.

Can someone tell me, how this makes sense and why this process even exists?

Filling the voids doesn't require a complete overhaul, that's the argument I'm making

Not covering illegals would certainly save a lot as money as well.

As for your personal situation, I would advise you to purchase a catastrophic policy for yourself. That is a policy with a very high deductible of 5k or more. That way, should you have a catastrophic health incident, you're not saddled with a lifetime of debt. Because of the very high deductible, premiums will be low.
 

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Well duhh if they are in the army they have a job.

right...so in a time of extreme unemployment and global recession you'd like to increase the military so "they have a job". Einstein, who pays for their new job? ah, right, the working folk

duhh
 

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If health care costs increase for businesses, people will lose jobs.

If health care costs increase for consumers, people will consume less stuff and thus more people lose jobs.

When you take money out of the free market, where it's spent much more often and more efficiently, and place it into an inefficient bureaucracy, the economy is less productive.

There is no doubt that by creating the largest bureaucracy in this country, healthcare costs will increase. Stone cold lock of the century.

To me it's obvious for the reasons already stated throughout this thread. Costs increase, quality decreases.

In all the countries that I know of socialized medicine has lowered the cost.

Higher cost is just a conservative talking point.
 

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right...so in a time of extreme unemployment and global recession you'd like to increase the military so "they have a job". Einstein, who pays for their new job? ah, right, the working folk

duhh

Do away with the all volunteer army, That will free up a ton of money.

The all volunteer army is just an invention of the military/industrial complex anyway.
 

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six months for an MRI?

my son didn't have to wait 3 hours back in April.

case in point

When I was diagnosed with cancer, I had a biopsy to confirm, a full body scan to determine if it had spread, an MRI to see exactly
where the mass was and before every radiation treatment (all 44 of them), a sonogram to make sure nothing else got fried.

The biopsy, full body scan and MRI were done in less than a month. Total out of pocket cost to me, around 1K give or take a couple hundred and half of that was $10 deductible for every radiation treatment.

My brother in law who lives in England needed an angioplasty and waited a year, a friend of mine here in Vegas waited 2 weeks.

So to all our liberal friends I say, you can take nationalized health care and stick it where the sun doesn’t shine.
 

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In all the countries that I know of socialized medicine has lowered the cost.

Higher cost is just a conservative talking point.

Got any FACTS to back that up?

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Thought it was common knowledge, except in republican circles where any knowledge is uncommon.
 

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Thought it was common knowledge, except in republican circles where any knowledge is uncommon.

It's not common knowledge...if it is common knowledge it should only take you a few minutes to educate me.

Got facts? :howdy: @)
 

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U educate me, my post was in reply to Willie who said it cost more.
 

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U educate me, my post was in reply to Willie who said it cost more.

I did educate you. You now realize you were just talking out of your ass again.

You don't have any real idea that socialized medicine saves real money...you just want it to be so.

In a libs mind...that makes it true.

I understand you can't help it...it's a common trait for left wingers.

Have a good day Punt.
 

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You are blowing smoke because you checked and found out that the cost for those countries is considerably less. I have read the stats on several but not going to chase it down for you.

Why do you think that we are the only civilized country that tries to do it this way?
 

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U educate me, my post was in reply to Willie who said it cost more.

Punter I tried, but you refuse to read what I posted. There are plenty of facts in the 190 pages that disprove most of what you are saying. But as is often the case, anything that isn't in line with your ideals just can't be right.
 

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