How McCain WON Saddleback. Experience OVERWHELEMED Obama!

[festeringZit]

I am a right winger on pretty much all issues other then this one. This is one of the very few things the liberals got it right on in my opinion. I dont think its right to force a 16 yr old girl to have a child if she doesnt want it or cant support it. And when an abortion is performed, the baby is the size of a sea horse, if not smaller, it cant feel anything or know its even alive. I dont think its cruel, I think its nessessary thats just my opinion. I think PEOPLE should be given a choice, and quite frankly I think we have MUCH BIGGER ISSUES THEN THIS CRAP. Personally, I dont even know how anyone with the times we are facing right now can give a crap about trying to prevent some abortions from being done, fetus when first conceived ARE NOT LIFE like you think they are, they are nothing more then CELLS. Wake up america, this issue should not determine who you vote for at all, MUCH BIGGER THINGS TO WORRY ABOUT PEOPLE...then again I am not familiar with this new procedure, seems kinda brutal...I am solely speaking about a REGULAR ABORTION WHEN I say I am pro-choice

#1. If you knew anything about abortions, you'd know that babies in
many many cases are a lot bigger than a sea-horse. They are
human beings with rights. How come pro-abortionists never cry out
about the rights of the baby getting slaughtered?

#2. Partial-birth abortion is a "regular abortion" it has been legalized
and is performed all over the US.

 

[festeringZit]

Are you in favor of partially delivering a baby, and then slamming a
knife into it's brain to execute it,

No one cares what I think about that question.

The only one that matters in that question is the female carrying the unwanted scudder. If she or her doctor feel her life or future might be in jeopardy, she's the one that makes the call.

Oh really?

What about the father? What about the human baby who is being
delivered (except for the head) and then executed? Why not
cry out about the rights of the executed human baby?

Liberalism is a mental disorder.

 

[DegenerateDood1]

Well just looking at that abortion picture made me cringe.

 

[barman]

Are you in favor of partially delivering a baby, and then slamming a
knife into it's brain to execute it,

Oh really?

What about the father? What about the human baby who is being
delivered (except for the head) and then executed? Why not
cry out about the rights of the executed human baby?

In The United States of America, only the female carrying the fetus makes the decision. In other countries, different rules prevail.

 

[barman]

#1. If you knew anything about abortions, you'd know that babies in
many many cases are a lot bigger than a sea-horse. They are
human beings with rights. How come pro-abortionists never cry out
about the rights of the baby getting slaughtered?

#2. Partial-birth abortion is a "regular abortion" it has been legalized
and is performed all over the US.

1) It's not a baby. It's a fetus. Fetuses do not have civil rights in The United States of America.

1a) Abortion advocates (I am an enthusiastic proponent of abortion when a woman wants it) do not give a shit about the fetus being terminated. I am only interested in the rights of the female carrying it.

2) Third trimester abortions occur about 2000 times a year in the USA and in nearly all cases it is to protect the health of the pregnant female. Those of us more concerned with the health of the pregnant female are grateful that such procedures are not illegal and that those involved do not face criminal sanctions.

 

[festeringZit]

1) It's not a baby. It's a fetus. Fetuses do not have civil rights in The United States of America.

1a) Abortion advocates (I am an enthusiastic proponent of abortion when a woman wants it) do not give a shit about the fetus being terminated. I am only interested in the rights of the female carrying it.

2) Third trimester abortions occur about 2000 times a year in the USA and in nearly all cases it is to protect the health of the pregnant female. Those of us more concerned with the health of the pregnant female are grateful that such procedures are not illegal and that those involved do not face criminal sanctions.

Barman, so.. as long as the body is delivered but the head is still inside,
it's not a baby - but once the baby is pulled out, abra-cadabra - now
it's not a fetus, but a baby!!! What a bunch of evil bull-shit. You tell
that to the baby who's head is being crushed, The pain he feels
is the same no matter if you call him a fetus or a baby.


Liberalism is a mental disorder.

 

[barman]

Now you're starting to get it.

If the pregnant female agrees to carry the fetus fully to term, than BINGO! - it's a Real Live Human Being and an American citizen with full rights.

If the pregnant female does not agree to carry the fetus fully to term, it's discarded and life goes on for her and for the rest of us.

As for the level of pain felt by a fetus as it's being terminated, I already noted I don't give a crap about that. All I care about is the woman carrying the fetus.

 

[Willie99]

bardude, partial birth abortions is nothing short of evil, seek some middle ground.

If it can live outside the womb, it's a baby. You can play your game of semantics all you want, but it's not right by any reasonable standard, and it will be illegal.

 

[barman]

I find no middle ground between allowing a woman to terminate an unwanted pregnancy and prosecuting that woman for infanticide along with her doctor and anyone who facilitates the procedure (husband, boyfriend, parents, friends etc).

Those who believe it is in the best interest of our community to prosecute and imprison American women, their doctors and family members who elect to go through a third trimester termination are of course free to aggressively promote such a change to existing laws. Just don't be startled when you find there are more Americans who favor the rights of the pregnant female to the (currently) imaginary rights of the unwanted fetus.

 

[festeringZit]

Now you're starting to get it.

If the pregnant female agrees to carry the fetus fully to term, than BINGO! - it's a Real Live Human Being and an American citizen with full rights.

If the pregnant female does not agree to carry the fetus fully to term, it's discarded and life goes on for her and for the rest of us.

As for the level of pain felt by a fetus as it's being terminated, I already noted I don't give a crap about that. All I care about is the woman carrying the fetus.

Barman:
"As for the level of pain felt by a fetus as it's being terminated, I already noted I don't give a crap about that."

Which is why you and the left have no moral ground and no conscience, and why liberalism is a mental disorder. This is pure unadulterated evil.

 

[JoeContrarian]

Enjoy your far left perversions while they last, "barnman."

Just like with your pro-psychelics crusade, the public isn't in your corner.

We're just a couple McCain SC judges away from designating human rights for innocent babies growing in their mother's womb.

Everyone is entitled to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" -- even pot-smokin' law breakers like you.

:howdy:

 

[gtc08]

Saddleback is the name of the 4th largest church in the United States.

no wonder why i thought it was the restaurant. church is the biggest big business out of all of them and another reason why i dont like this country. we got them damn born again evangelicals building churches all over around here trying to convert everybody

 

[barman]

Barman:
"As for the level of pain felt by a fetus as it's being terminated, I already noted I don't give a crap about that."

Which is why you and the left have no moral ground and no conscience, and why liberalism is a mental disorder. This is pure unadulterated evil.

If it will help, I also don't give a crap about the level of pain felt by a cockroach when I step on it.

Best of luck at your attempts (if indeed you're actually making a real personal effort) to change the laws which currently protect women in The United States of America from being prosecuted and imprisoned for their choice to terminate an unwanted fetus.

 

[barman]

We're just a couple McCain SC judges away from designating human rights for innocent babies growing in their mother's womb.

Mark, if I thought you were truly contributing to efforts to change the current laws protecting American women from criminal prosecution for terminating an unwanted fetus, I'd wish you BOL on changing the laws.

But you're not, so I'll spare you the encouragement.

 

[festeringZit]

If it will help, I also don't give a crap about the level of pain felt by a cockroach when I step on it.

Best of luck at your attempts (if indeed you're actually making a real personal effort) to change the laws which currently protect women in The United States of America from being prosecuted and imprisoned for their choice to terminate an unwanted fetus.

I won't even respond to such effluvium.

 

[barman]

Well it's not as if I honestly thought you were seriously involved in trying to change the laws, so no response is really needed.

 

[barman]

BTW, hat tip for the cool use of the word "effluvium". I confess I was unacquainted with the term.

As Stan says on SouthPark, "I learned something today!"

 

[festeringZit]

Well it's not as if I honestly thought you were seriously involved in trying to change the laws, so no response is really needed.

Well, I'm slowly learning that your responses on here are mostly
to yank chains.

 

[barman]

Sorta, since after all we're simply in a waystation at a Sports Handicapping website, which is my (and I presume your) primary interest in the RxForum.

But lest it be lost among my smarmy language I am honestly fully in favor of the rights of American women over the non-existent rights of fetuses.

And I am unashamedly very pro-abortion. I believe we need to reduce unwanted pregnancies in our world and when all other practical measures have failed, abortion is a sincerely smart and pragmatic solution.

Those who feel differently are of course encouraged to exercise their constitutional rights of assembly and speech and if so inclined, ardently work to change the current laws.

 

[JoeContrarian]

"barnman" proclaims: "I am unashamedly very pro-abortion."

"Mark L" responds: Oh goody. I love "unashamedly" -- full marks to ya, "barnman." I don't ever expect everyone to agree with me, all I ask is they are intellectually honest so we're all clear where everyone stands.

So why can't/won't Barack Obama openly state that he is "unashamedly very pro-abortion" -- as his voting record indicates?

Why can't he stand up for his TRUE beliefs?

Instead, we get soft and fluffy faux-centrism like this:

"Well, I think that whether you are looking at it from a theological perspective or a scientific perspective, answering that question with specificity, you know, is above my pay grade."

Never mind -- everyone reading this knows the answer.