How do you feel about today's SCOTUS ruling FZ?

vitterd · Jul 3, 2015

The Computer Group said:
You have no idea what can of worms this has opened up.......let's bump this thread in 10 years, & see what came out of it.

I was gonna say let's see in 20 years, but it won't take that long to see how the rest of society suffers from this.

Yeah....the same close minded fools said the same thing when slavery was abolished and when women were given the right to vote. You need to get with the times. You arent betraying God by becoming a smarter person.

SheriffJoe · Jul 4, 2015

Acebb said:
In the last 72 hours the US Supreme Court has hastened our nation's inevitable march toward another civil war. I've been saying for more than 10 years that we will see organized armed conflict in my lifetime and I'm now left with no doubt.

I say that because the next step is lawfare against church and church based charities regarding their beliefs that they will not perform same sex marriages and are against same sex couple adoptions. The little fascist's goals here are to take away the tax exempt status of any faith based organization that will not perform a SSM marriage ceremony or not provide adoption services to SSM couples. The end result of these efforts is very, very clear.

The problem is, the are probably 20 million people in America (I am one of them) with a lot of weapons who do not view themselves as servants or subjects to Obama (the fact that these assholes would light up the White House in rainbow colors shows how little regard they have for half of America) and the Supreme Court. When courts inevitably rule that you have no more religious freedom (a founding pillar of civilization and America) then all hell is going to break loose.

I'm deeply troubled by all of this and I sincerely think some very dark days are ahead for America in the next two decades. I'm old enough to remember when gays wanted nothing to do with marriage (in the 70's they were calling marriage a slavery institution) and the left assured us that gays did not want to redefine marriage, they merely did not want to experience public humiliation and just wanted to live in dignity. Well, of course they lied.

I quote what I think are the most powerful portions of Scalia's dissent. I do not know how any rational, informed adult can disagree with any of this:

Until the courts put a stop to it, public debate over same-sex marriage displayed American democracy at its best. Individuals on both sides of the issue passionately, but respectfully, attempted to persuade their fellow citizens to accept their views. Americans considered the arguments and put the question to a vote. The electorates of 11 States, either directly or through their representatives, chose to expand the traditional definition of marriage. Many more decided not to. Win or lose, advocates for both sides continued pressing their cases, secure in the knowledge that an electoral loss can be negated by a later electoral win. That is exactly how our system of government is supposed to work.
…
But what really astounds is the hubris reflected in today’s judicial Putsch. The five Justices who compose today’s majority are entirely comfortable concluding that every State violated the Constitution for all of the 135 years between the Fourteenth Amendment’s ratification and Massachusetts’ permitting of same-sex marriages in 2003. They have discovered in the Fourteenth Amendment a “fundamental right” overlooked by every person alive at the time of ratification, and almost everyone else in the time since. They see what lesser legal minds— minds like Thomas Cooley, John Marshall Harlan, Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr., Learned Hand, Louis Brandeis, William Howard Taft, Benjamin Cardozo, Hugo Black, Felix Frankfurter, Robert Jackson, and Henry Friendly— could not. They are certain that the People ratified the Fourteenth Amendment to bestow on them the power to remove questions from the democratic process when that is called for by their “reasoned judgment.” These Justices know that limiting marriage to one man and one woman is contrary to reason; they know that an institution as old as government itself, and accepted by every nation in history until 15 years ago, cannot possibly be supported by anything other than ignorance or bigotry.
…
Hubris is sometimes defined as o’erweening pride; and pride, we know, goeth before a fall. The Judiciary is the “least dangerous” of the federal branches because it has “neither Force nor Will, but merely judgment; and must ultimately depend upon the aid of the executive arm” and the States, “even for the efficacy of its judgments.” With each decision of ours that takes from the People a question properly left to them—with each decision that is unabashedly based not on law, but on the “reasoned judgment” of a bare majority of this Court—we move one step closer to being reminded of our impotence.

Reading Scalia's dissent in this and other cases, it's pretty clear to me he's thrown in the towel on American 'democracy'.

Andrew Wilkow has a great quote which I think is very appropriate on this disturbing ruling:

"Your freedom to be you includes my freedom to be free from you"

That, in a nutshell, is America...at least it used to be.

Once this fascist perverted social movement crosses the threshold of coercing God-fearing Americans into participating in ceremonies and activities that go against their moral values, the debate is no longer theoretical and we are going to see resistance. Memories Pizza was a great example.

It is going to get ugly, as it should.

Albatross · Jul 4, 2015

vitterd said:
Yeah....the same close minded fools said the same thing when slavery was abolished and when women were given the right to vote. You need to get with the times. You arent betraying God by becoming a smarter person.

Slavery being compared to a queer lifestyle. Not even in the same boat of comparison.

One issue. Does being gay constitute some sort of mental disorder? Scientifically it is not in the norm of possibility to be a lover of the same sex. Some say it's a gene or something out of wack to be attracted to same sex. Does this constitute a mental or bodily deformity? It of course would be on a lighter scale, but it should theoretically fall in the same category from a scientific category.

vitterd · Jul 4, 2015

Albatross said:
Slavery being compared to a queer lifestyle. Not even in the same boat of comparison.

One issue. Does being gay constitute some sort of mental disorder? Scientifically it is not in the norm of possibility to be a lover of the same sex. Some say it's a gene or something out of wack to be attracted to same sex. Does this constitute a mental or bodily deformity? It of course would be on a lighter scale, but it should theoretically fall in the same category from a scientific category.

The two are not being compared. The only comparison is the reaction. That's what happens with people that are unwilling to accept change....just like those in slave days and when women were permitted to vote. Don't you notice the guys whining about this decision are all about 70 years old?

it doesn't constitute a mental disorder. It's no different than being born a certain skin color. It's in a persons predisposed make up. It's who they are.

RunMaker · Jul 4, 2015

vitterd said:
Yeah....the same close minded fools said the same thing when slavery was abolished and when women were given the right to vote. You need to get with the times. You arent betraying God by becoming a smarter person.

This is the perfect post for the brainwashed "open-minded" non-thinking liberalism that is taught in schools everywhere. Undoubtedly a puppy-trained American who has never thought for himself.

I'd ask you to engage in argument but with these trained puppies it's the same every time. What I would ask you to do is to learn to think for yourself and not side with popular views because you've been trained to do so like a dog since a small child.