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How convincing do you think President Bush was in building a case for why the United States might have to go to war with Iraq?

77.14% Very convincing

16.05% Not convincing at all

6.8% Somewhat convincing

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Not at all convincing to me. Americans on the whole, probably 50% would be my guess. The world as a whole? 5%, if that.
 
I think the numbers on WALL STREET tomorrow will be a very good indicator...

My hunch is that while I personally thought his speech was good, it won't be enough to rally the market..

It was so obvious that he deliberately threw in all this compassion stuff about AIDS to soften his response about IRAQ and make BUSH appear compassionate and strong, too...

Ken
 
>numbers on WALL STREET tomorrow

That is sickening...

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>probably 50%

Jake, those were overnite REAL poll numbers...

77.14% Very convincing

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No way as good as a speaker is Bush compared to FDR
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>No way as good as a speaker is Bush compared to FDR

Bush would beat him in 100yd dash...

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When get some of FDR's old tapes of speaches then make a remark like that?
 

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FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT'S PEARL HARBOR SPEECH
(December 8, 1941)
To the Congress of the United States:
Yesterday, Dec. 7, 1941 - a date which will live in infamy - the United States of America was suddenly and deliberately attacked by naval and air forces of the Empire of Japan.

The United States was at peace with that nation and, at the solicitation of Japan, was still in conversation with the government and its emperor looking toward the maintenance of peace in the Pacific.

Indeed, one hour after Japanese air squadrons had commenced bombing in Oahu, the Japanese ambassador to the United States and his colleagues delivered to the Secretary of State a formal reply to a recent American message. While this reply stated that it seemed useless to continue the existing diplomatic negotiations, it contained no threat or hint of war or armed attack.

It will be recorded that the distance of Hawaii from Japan makes it obvious that the attack was deliberately planned many days or even weeks ago. During the intervening time, the Japanese government has deliberately sought to deceive the United States by false statements and expressions of hope for continued peace.

The attack yesterday on the Hawaiian islands has caused severe damage to American naval and military forces. Very many American lives have been lost. In addition, American ships have been reported torpedoed on the high seas between San Francisco and Honolulu.

Yesterday, the Japanese government also launched an attack against Malaya.

Last night, Japanese forces attacked Hong Kong.

Last night, Japanese forces attacked Guam.

Last night, Japanese forces attacked the Philippine Islands.

Last night, the Japanese attacked Wake Island.

This morning, the Japanese attacked Midway Island.

Japan has, therefore, undertaken a surprise offensive extending throughout the Pacific area. The facts of yesterday speak for themselves. The people of the United States have already formed their opinions and well understand the implications to the very life and safety of our nation.

As commander in chief of the Army and Navy, I have directed that all measures be taken for our defense.

Always will we remember the character of the onslaught against us.

No matter how long it may take us to overcome this premeditated invasion, the American people in their righteous might will win through to absolute victory.

I believe I interpret the will of the Congress and of the people when I assert that we will not only defend ourselves to the uttermost, but will make very certain that this form of treachery shall never endanger us again.

Hostilities exist. There is no blinking at the fact that that our people, our territory and our interests are in grave danger.

With confidence in our armed forces - with the unbounding determination of our people - we will gain the inevitable triumph - so help us God.

I ask that the Congress declare that since the unprovoked and dastardly attack by Japan on Sunday, Dec. 7, a state of war has existed between the United States and the Japanese empire.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by THE SHRINK:
I think the numbers on WALL STREET tomorrow will be a very good indicator...

My hunch is that while I personally thought his speech was good, it won't be enough to rally the market..

It was so obvious that he deliberately threw in all this compassion stuff about AIDS to soften his response about IRAQ and make BUSH appear compassionate and strong, too...

Ken<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Shrink, I actually listened to (in person) the President of the New York Stock Exchange today as he was on campus and doing a speech for my Value Investing class, and he said the war would cause the market to go way down for a while before it came up again. I wouldn't look for the war to reassure the market, not until it's over at least.
 
Good speech, but the bottom line is NO PROOF.

Makes the US attack look a bit unprovoked IMO, but then again we rarely care what the world thinks.
 
IT DID LAST TIME...COUNTRY TOOK OFF IN THE EARLIY 90`S...BUT WILL WE GET HUSSEIN THIS TIME?
 
Hamberg,

FDR orchestrated the attack on PH by the Oil embargo on Japan and knew 3 days ahead of time of the attack!

Do you know why he did this?

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FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT'S PEARL HARBOR SPEECH
(December 8, 1941)
To the Congress of the United States:
Yesterday, Dec. 7, 1941 - a date which will live in infamy - the United States of America was suddenly and deliberately attacked by naval and air forces of the Empire of Japan.

The United States was at peace with that nation and, at the solicitation of Japan, was still in conversation with the government and its emperor looking toward the maintenance of peace in the Pacific.

Indeed, one hour after Japanese air squadrons had commenced bombing in Oahu, the Japanese ambassador to the United States and his colleagues delivered to the Secretary of State a formal reply to a recent American message. While this reply stated that it seemed useless to continue the existing diplomatic negotiations, it contained no threat or hint of war or armed attack.

It will be recorded that the distance of Hawaii from Japan makes it obvious that the attack was deliberately planned many days or even weeks ago. During the intervening time, the Japanese government has deliberately sought to deceive the United States by false statements and expressions of hope for continued peace.

The attack yesterday on the Hawaiian islands has caused severe damage to American naval and military forces. Very many American lives have been lost. In addition, American ships have been reported torpedoed on the high seas between San Francisco and Honolulu.

Yesterday, the Japanese government also launched an attack against Malaya.

Last night, Japanese forces attacked Hong Kong.

Last night, Japanese forces attacked Guam.

Last night, Japanese forces attacked the Philippine Islands.

Last night, the Japanese attacked Wake Island.

This morning, the Japanese attacked Midway Island.

Japan has, therefore, undertaken a surprise offensive extending throughout the Pacific area. The facts of yesterday speak for themselves. The people of the United States have already formed their opinions and well understand the implications to the very life and safety of our nation.

As commander in chief of the Army and Navy, I have directed that all measures be taken for our defense.

Always will we remember the character of the onslaught against us.

No matter how long it may take us to overcome this premeditated invasion, the American people in their righteous might will win through to absolute victory.

I believe I interpret the will of the Congress and of the people when I assert that we will not only defend ourselves to the uttermost, but will make very certain that this form of treachery shall never endanger us again.

Hostilities exist. There is no blinking at the fact that that our people, our territory and our interests are in grave danger.

With confidence in our armed forces - with the unbounding determination of our people - we will gain the inevitable triumph - so help us God.

I ask that the Congress declare that since the unprovoked and dastardly attack by Japan on Sunday, Dec. 7, a state of war has existed between the United States and the Japanese empire.



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"FDR orchestrated the attack on PH by the Oil embargo on Japan and knew 3 days ahead of time of the attack!

Do you know why he did this?"

I knew that. But that is not the issue here Bush is not that great of a speaker.
 
>Bush is not that great of a speaker

On that we will agree... I'm not so fond of slick speakers... it's their action I judge.

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My 4 year old hid my car keys early today. Does that mean there is no proof they actually existed?

Of course we haven't found anthrax, or nerve gas, or even his scud launchers that Hussain used in the last war. It is hard for 200 inspectors to search a country the size of Texas. If the lefties have their way, they will have their proof. And Israel will drop a nuke on Baghdad as retaliation.

Appeasement kills.
 

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