We haven't had what I would call a breakthrough season in CFB yet, but we have still produced a 55.22% win rate over the past four seasons (211 plays) which I would say is doing pretty well. I am sure some other handicappers have had better years than us along the way, but not many can claim the same level of consistency. We have had only one losing CFB season (2002) since starting the service in 1996.
I will continue to monitor the market and consider feedback from all subscribers. (Just e-mail me if you are one.) There were 35+ outs on the Don Best screen alone with WNBA sides and totals posted at the time we released. About 60% of the offscreen sites I monitor had them up at release time as well.
I am obviously biased, but the problem with waiting for them to get posted in the forum is that the lines will almost certainly have already moved and you will lose a ton of value. Take yesterday for example, the two totals closed 4.0 and 5.0 points worse than the release line. They both covered anyway, but at some point the line movement will come into play and change your bottom line. If you are betting anything more than $100 a game it makes sense to invest the $489 subscription fee.
I just read through the last few days of this thread as I was not around. Again, Edwards capping ability, posted lines, and success rate are not in question. I have never heard a negative thing about the guy or his service except that most gamblers, and I think JOE represents the definition of most gamblers, can't get within a few points of his lines. That clearly indicates that the guy knows what he is doing. BUT it still makes it irrelevant. I said the service is probably not the right service for 90% of the gamblers out there and I stand by that. What would JOE's motivation be to lie about his situation? Especially when it is consistent with what all of us have seen when looking at RAS/ED's plays and trying to get his lines. 90% of us do not and would not, even if we could, wait around a computer for "POST" time and then rush around to 10 different books for lines. 90% of the gamblers have 1 or 2 books max or go with locals who use offshore lines from the internet. You will never get his line using locals. Ed mentioned that 57% of his clients got his line about half the time. That means that 43% did not. All one would have to do is look at the line given versus the WA line 10 minutes later. If I can't get a cappers line or within a pt of it within ten minutes of release then it is not for me and likely not for many others. I will defer to the DIE HARD gamblers and degenerates to stress out over trying to make money with that type of system.
My main point for commenting in the thread was to confirm comments that RAS lines are very difficult to get for the average gambler. NOT to discredit ED, but I will say that reading through this chain of responses that he seems to be trying to defend it rather than admit the truth. He should state that his service isn't for most people but for those who can wait for releases and get them locked in early with 10 different wagering options. He should also post a record of his plays from the closing lines so that people have a more realistic idea of what to expect with the service.
Finally, he mentions above that the closing lines of 2 WNBA games were 4 and 5 points off from his release vs close. YOU (the gambler) won't get away with that for long. Within a week or two the lines will get tighter and then when they move 3 or 4 pts you will see yourself push or lose games ED is winning. His 60% will be your 54%. You may still get a profit but is it worth it to go through what JOE went through just to turn a small profit??? If you have the luxury of 1000 a game, maybe. If you are the average gambler playing 100 a game, NOT likely in my opinion.
Good luck to everyone in their betting.
AZ
At the conclusion of last year's college basketball service, 90% of survey respondents rated their overall satisfaction with the service at Above Average (40.4%) or Excellent (49.6%). There was only one single respondent of in the entire subscriber base who who rated satisfaction at the lowest level (Poor) and that was in fact Joe!
I'm certainly am not accusing Joe of lying, but he did write that he met me in person at college basketball games in Southern California which absolutely never happened so it would not be too out of line to question his credibility.
More importantly I simply do not believe the results he is describing are typical. This again, is evidenced by other customer feedback, survey results, and retention. In fact it is not even possible to have worse results than what he describes, because line movement only affected the outcome of a finite number of games.
I am more than willing to admit that competitive line movement is an issue, and clear detailed warnings of this are listed on both websites.
Services are not for everyone. My services definitely are not for everyone. However, I would still argue that a lot more than 10% of the gambling public are not only willing to race for lines, or be inconvenienced by release times, but also anything else it takes to help increase their bottom line. If not than they are not serious about winning in the first place. If following a service that produces very high win rates requires more time and effort, than so be it. It sure beats the alternative.
Edward
I'm certainly am not accusing Joe of lying, but he did write that he met me in person at college basketball games in Southern California which absolutely never happened so it would not be too out of line to question his credibility.
More importantly I simply do not believe the results he is describing are typical. This again, is evidenced by other customer feedback, survey results, and retention. In fact it is not even possible to have worse results than what he describes, because line movement only affected the outcome of a finite number of games.
I am more than willing to admit that competitive line movement is an issue, and clear detailed warnings of this are listed on both websites.
Services are not for everyone. My services definitely are not for everyone. However, I would still argue that a lot more than 10% of the gambling public are not only willing to race for lines, or be inconvenienced by release times, but also anything else it takes to help increase their bottom line. If not than they are not serious about winning in the first place. If following a service that produces very high win rates requires more time and effort, than so be it. It sure beats the alternative.
Edward
Couple of other points I forgot:
Actually, those using locals often experience the best results. Less competition and lines may not move as fast as the popular offshores.
We post the release line, closing line, and line value, for every play on our pick archive page. We are the only service that does this that I am aware of. There has not been a season since we have kept track (WNBA or CBB) where the service was not profitable against even the closing line.
I stand corrected on the local angle. I have worked with dozens of locals over the years and most, at least 80% don't give early lines and hold to them. They aren't that stupid. 80% don't give lines until 2 hours or less before game times. Again, I am just the average gambler and that is who I think most of us represent. Not the select few trying to make a living off of this or a steady second income. If that were the case I would book, not bet. With the internet there are some locals who use online wagering but most move the lines with the offshores to protect themselves.
Edward, I believe you are one of the few reputable guys in the scum bag industry that is services. I have much bigger beefs than you. I just want the average guy to be aware of what he is getting into with your CBB and WNBA plays. I wish you and your clients nothing but the best. But I still maintain that your service is for a select few and not the average guy.
We will have to agree to disagree I guess. Best of luck to you.
AZ
Edward, I believe you are one of the few reputable guys in the scum bag industry that is services. I have much bigger beefs than you. I just want the average guy to be aware of what he is getting into with your CBB and WNBA plays. I wish you and your clients nothing but the best. But I still maintain that your service is for a select few and not the average guy.
We will have to agree to disagree I guess. Best of luck to you.
AZ
