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This is the way it went down and the U.S. government are a bunch of a-holes and anyone who still supports them after this is just plain retarded.
yes Saddam gassed and killed 30,000 Kurds.
Yes the Americans new about it and got a first hand report plus pictures by an American in that region.
The American reported back to the Government about the atrocity and they had him immediately draft a prevention of genocide bill.
Because of the horrific nature of this crime several people were in strong agreement to push it through cabinet as fast as possible.
The draft was to put immediate sanctions on trade with Saddam.
The U.S. at the time was getting 25% of it's oil from Iraq as well as doing large numbers with them in several other areas.
You guess it for financial reasons the U.S. choose not to pass this bill and did absolutely nothing for several years (proving that the U.S. is not the great humanitarians many of you think)
The U.S. did not get involved until Iraq attacked Kuwait.
The U.S. only got involved here once they secured an oil and trading deal with Kuwait.
The U.S also promised to help out and protect the Kurds. They did neither the betrayed them horribly. Then again the Kurds arne't exactly rich.
 

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You say that the US was getting a 1/4 of its oil from Iraq? Where you getting your info from? The guy on the bar stool sitting next to you?


Oil Supplies, National Security and Iraq

Iraq Potential:


Oil reserves of 112.5 billion barrels - 11 percent of the world's proven reserves (only Saudi Arabia has more).

Incapable of becoming a major supplier of energy worldwide because it has not complied with U.N. requirements that would allow it to fully develop its oilfields and introduce modern technology.

If Iraq were to establish a politically stable environment, it could attract the investments needed for the successful exploration and development of its oilfields.
Iraq Perspective:


Before nationalization in the mid-70s, U.S. and British oil companies played a major role in developing Iraqi oil.

More recently, China, France, Japan and Russia have negotiated contracts to develop oilfields.

Peak production: 3.5 million barrels a day, before the war with Iran in 1979.
Iraqi Production:


Production in the 4th quarter of 2002 was 2.3 million barrels per day (B/D).

Supplies about 1.5 million B/D of crude oil to oil-consuming nations, less than 2 percent of world supplies.

Officially exported some 1.2 million B/D through late 2002 - about 449,000 B/D (37 percent) of that came to the United States.

EIA says another 200,000 -300,000 B/D was likely exported illegally.

Its oil constitutes 2.3 percent of total U.S. consumption (2.6 percent in 1989)
Comparisons: 9.8 percent from Canada (1.9 million B/D)
7.8 percent from Saudi Arabia (1.5 million B/D)
7.7 percent from Mexico (1.5 million B/D)
7.3 percent from Venezuela (1.4 million B/D)



Iraqi Production: Ranking Among Top 20 Producing Nations Since 1974
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Iraq Oil During Possible Military Action:


A cutoff of Iraqi supplies could be filled by other producers, as there is sufficient spare capacity to produce oil in greater amounts than Iraq supplies.
Saudi Arabia alone has 2 to 2.5 million B/D of spare capacity.

What Iraq exports is less than the International Energy Agency amount (7 percent) that triggers strategic supply releases. However, the IEA has said it is ready to release petroleum reserves "swiftly and, if necessary, massively" in case of a war with Iraq. (Wall Street Journal article, 2/7/03)

Saudi Arabia and Kuwait have both said they would work to make-up for any lost Iraqi oil.
Post-Saddam Iraq:


Iraq will desperately need to upgrade its oil production infrastructure to increase production to bring in more revenue.

To improve its infrastructure, it will need to attract massive amounts of capital.
James Baker Institute estimate: $5 billion
Daniel Yergin estimate: $7 billion

U.S. officials have said repeatedly that Iraqi oil belongs to the people of Iraq.

U.S. officials have said the fate of Iraq's petroleum infrastructure immediately following the departure of Saddam would likely be guided by international law with an eye on what is best for Iraq and its people. Security Council Resolution 1284 authorizes the UN, under the oil-for-food program, to oversee foreign investment in the repair and expansion of Iraq's oil industry.

No one knows which companies would be involved in rebuilding Iraq's oil and natural gas infrastructure, or what their role would be, but we expect that their investments will be protected, as would those of companies that already have investments in Iraq.

Once a legitimate government has been established in Iraq, that government would no doubt determine what role other companies would play in developing Iraq's oil potential so that the Iraqi people can continue to reap the benefits of their resources.

Because U.S. petroleum companies want to remain competitive, it is reasonable to expect them to join companies from other countries in exploring opportunities in a free Iraq - as they would in any other country with vast oil reserves.

Substantial investment by these companies in Iraq's reserves would likely increase production there dramatically, but there are many challenges that companies would have to overcome to tap this potential.
U.S. Crude Oil Needs:


U.S. 2002 consumption of crude and products: 19.7 million B/D

U.S. 2002 crude and products imports: 11.4 million B/D (58 %) Up from 46 % in 1989

The four largest suppliers of U.S. crude and products, 2002:
Canada: 1.93 million B/D 9.8 percent of domestic consumption
1989: 5.4 percent
Saudi Arabia: 1.53 million B/D 7.8 percent
1989: 7.1 percent
Mexico: 1.51 million B/D 7.7 percent
1989: 5.4 percent
Venezuela 1.44 million B/D 7.3 percent
1989: 5.0 percent

Between 1991 and 2001, U.S. demand for refined products increased by 17 percent, compared to 7 percent worldwide (7 percent for Europe).


U.S. gasoline demand grew by 19 percent during same time period.
U.S. distillate demand grew by 23 percent



U.S. Strategic Petroleum Reserve:
1977: 7.8 million barrels
April 2002: 566.7 million barrels



Estimated Proved Crude Oil Reserves (barrels):
World U.S. Middle East Russia/E.Europe
'50 0,076.5 billion 24.7 billion (32%) 032.4 billion (42%) 04.7 billion (6%)
'79 0,645.3 billion 31.4 billion (5%) 370.0 billion (57%) 94.0 billion (15%)
'91 0,999.0 billion 26.3 billion (3%) 662.6 billion (66%) 58.9 billion (6%)
'02 1,031.6 billion 22.0 billion (2%) 685.6 billion (66%) 58.6 billion (6%)



2002 Estimated Proved Crude Oil Reserves (barrels), Top 12 nations:
1. Saudi Arabia 259.2 billion
2. Iraq 112.5
3. United Arab Emirates 97.8
4. Kuwait 94.0
5. Iran 89.7
6. Venezuela 77.7
7. Former Soviet Union 57.0
8. Libya 29.5
9. Mexico 26.9
10. China 24.0
11. Nigeria 24.0
12. United States 22.0



2002 Estimated Proved Crude Oil Reserves (barrels), Top 5 States:
Texas 5.3 billion
Alaska 4.9 billion
California 3.8 billion
New Mexico 0.7 billion
Oklahoma 0.6 billion



Crude Oil Production (barrels)
World U.S. Middle East
'70 16.7 billion 3.5 billion (21%) 5.1 billion (31%)
'91 21.5 billion 2.7 billion (13%) 5.8 billion (27%)
'00 24.6 billion 2.1 billion (9%) 7.9 billion (32%)
 

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An authoritative Iraqi source says that as much as 90 percent of the actual amount of Iraq's estimated 1.8 million barrels per day (bpd) are going to U.S. Gulf coast refineries.
"Most of Iraq's oil exports in July are destined to the U.S., with a few going to Europe," reported the authoritative oil journal Middle East Economic Survey.

There's such demand for Iraqi crude in the United States, the report says, that Saddam is banking on it to mitigate the Bush administration's enmity toward his dictatorship in Iraq, and therefore, any attempts to oust him.

Works Great, Less Taxing

Sources say American refiners prefer the Iraqi Kirkuk and Basrah oil varieties, because of their low sulfur content. When they can remove the sulfur more easily, refiners can make higher profits.

Many refiners have been investing heavily in special equipment to remove sulfur from crude oil, after the Environmental Protection Agency and the Justice Department reached agreements with nine refineries last March to reduce air pollution.

As part of the deal, they also agreed to collectively pay a $9.5 million civil penalty under the Clean Air Act and spend $5.5 million on environmental projects in communities affected by the refineries' pollution, the newsletter Alexander's Gas and Oil Connections reported.

The companies are required to spend an estimated $400 million for installing pollution controls.

American refiners' thirst for Iraqi oil has been ongoing. Reuters reported on May 12, 2000, that since 1998, U.S. imports of Iraqi crude oil have doubled to 750,000 bpd, 9 percent of total U.S. oil imports.

Oil industry sources tell ABCNEWS that the U.S. companies most heavily involved at present are Chevron, Exxon-Mobil, Bayoil and Koch Petroleum, which use it in their refineries in Louisiana and Texas.

Getting it to Market

The U.S. refiners largely obtain their crude oil from Russian firms, or middlemen working through Russian firms.

"Everyone makes a commission or gets a rakeoff at every step between the Iraqi oil fields and the U.S. refineries, mostly in [the] southern U.S. states," said a knowledgeable oil industry source.

Most of the U.N.-authorized oil sales have gone to Russian private trading firms as a reward for Moscow's pro-Iraqi positions in the U.N. Security Council, MEES editors said.

"Large volumes of crude are being taken away from previous customers and assigned to new [Russian] ones," MEES reported July 16.

This month, Russia stymied a U.S. attempt to revise U.N. sanctions against Iraq to focus on blocking military imports by vetoing it in the Security Council.

Watching the Money Trail

Iraq's preference for Russian traders is becoming evident from the region's oil tanker traffic, sources say.

Of the two main ports used by Iraq to exports its "legal" oil, the one used by Russian traders has been seeing much more use.

America's refiners are getting most of their Iraqi oil from Ceyhan, Turkey, the terminus of a pipeline between Kirkuk and Ceyhan, because loading Iraqi crude oil there cuts out the need for supertankers to steam all the way around the Arabian Peninsula.

The other port, Mina-al-Bakr, a big offshore loading platform in the Persian Gulf off the Iraqi port of Basrah, has seen use decline sharply in recent months.

That port is mainly used by supertankers bound for Asia. Iraq's main customers using this port include India, China, Japan and Malaysia, oil industry sources s
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>yes Saddam gassed and killed 30,000 Kurds <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Hmm......I'm sorry Grant. What exactly did YOUR government do to protect the Kurds after this ?

I'll be waiting patiently for your answer.



ps: I'm convinced that Grant is some kind of a auto-bot. Designed to mearly sling hate, but of course, never respond directly to questions.

But I'll try again.


What country are you from, Grant?
 

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We betrayed the kurds? Kurds must have short term memory with us, but still remember the atrocities that saddam committed against them. Kurds are fighting alongside American troops in the north against a terrorist paramilitary unit. Sounds to me like your money argument just sank like with the rest of your liberal biased post. Sounds like they are fighting to rid saddam and be liberated.
 

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1991
After Iraq's defeat in Kuwait, Shias in Southern Iraq launch a popular uprising against the Baghdad regime. Following the Shias' lead, the Kurds in the North also revolt. Within two weeks, 15 of Iraq's 18 provinces are free of government control. However, once it is clear that the U.S. will not support the rebellion, Saddam's forces crush the revolt throughout Iraq. Hundreds of thousands of Kurds flee into the mountains. In response to humanitarian pleas, U.S. troops move into Northern Iraq in "Operation Provide Comfort". No-fly zones are established over Kurdistan.

1996
KDP troops join the Iraqi Army in an attack on the INC forces based in Irbil, the largest city in Kurdistan. U.S.- backed rebels request American air support but request is denied. Iraqi troops arrest and execute hundreds of rebel leaders. (See Abdul Rahman on KDP decision to back Saddam. Talabani on lack of U.S. response to attack, which he considers another American betrayal. Also Chalabi on Kurdish infighting.)

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/saddam/interviews/chalabi.html

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/saddam/kurds/cron.html
 

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SADDAM HUSSEIN'S military incursion into the Kurdish city of Irbil finally exposed a
fundamental truth about the five-year U.S. involvement in northern Iraq: Despite lofty
rhetoric from both the Bush and Clinton administrations, the United States never had the
will or inclination to act decisively in support of the Iraqi Kurds. Only now is the Clinton
administration coming to terms with the consequences of this hollow policy.
The United States has never believed that its strategic interests were at stake in northern
Iraq, home to about 3.5 million Kurds. Since the Gulf War in 1991, America's primary
goals have been to contain Iraq within its borders and maintain Iraq's territorial integrity.
But weeks after the war's end, when Saddam turned his tanks north on rebelling Kurds,
U.S. policymakers faced an unanticipated crisis: More than 2 million Iraqi Kurdish
refugees began to flee the advancing Iraqi forces and amass along Turkey's southeastern
border, presenting Turkish President Turgut Ozal with a serious dilemma.
Turkey, a country fighting its own war against internal Kurdish opponents since 1985,
feared that admitting these refugees would create an explosive situation and undermine its
efforts to control the 10 million to 15 million Kurds who live in Turkey. As the refugee
flow continued, however, a massive humanitarian crisis was in the making and
international outrage at Turkey was growing. Ozal sought help from his friend George
Bush. The result was Operation Provide Comfort -- a U.S.-led effort to create a "security
zone" inside northern Iraq where the Kurdish refugees would feel safe to leave Turkey and
resettle. This security zone was less a way to ease the suffering of the Kurds than a U.S.
effort to assist Turkey -- a NATO member and an important partner in the international
sanctions effort against Saddam.
Provide Comfort was a short-term humanitarian success story. The U.S. military secured a
small area, including Dahuk, one of three major Kurdish urban centers in Iraq. The Bush
administration declared that Iraqi ground forces would be prevented from crossing into this
area. The United States -- along with Britain, France and Turkey -- established a "no fly"
zone over all Iraqi territory north of the 36th parallel -- including the major Kurdish city of
Irbil. The refugees returned. Kurdish hopes soared, and so did goodwill toward the United
States and its coalition partners. Elections were held in May 1992 and a fledgling Kurdish
parliament was put in place. The situation was far from perfect, but given the history of the
war-torn region and the long struggle of the Kurdish people, the accomplishments were
dramatic.
But the seeds of the recent crisis were already in place. Turkey, having achieved its goal of
solving the refugee problem, grew suspicious of the successes of the Iraqi Kurds. A brief
period of cooperation in 1992 ended abruptly with the fading political power (and later
death) of Turgut Ozal -- the one figure willing to contemplate a new relationship between
the Turkish government and the Iraqi Kurds. Turkey's new leaders soon initiated a series
of high-level meetings with Iran and Syria to coordinate opposition to increasing Kurdish
autonomy. Turkey feared the creation of an independent Kurdish state because they
believed it would inflame the nationalist aspirations of their own Kurds -- about 20 percent
of the Turkish population. The result was a persistent effort by Turkey to insure that the
Kurds stayed weak, poor and divided.
International aid was channeled almost entirely through Turkey, providing Turkish leaders
with control over the Iraqi Kurds' links to the rest of the world -- an arrangement the Turks
could now exploit. Turkey repeatedly closed vital border closings, delaying essential
supply trucks for weeks at a time. Sometimes humanitarian workers were refused entry.
And the exit of Kurdish officials was closely regulated. For the last five years, Turkish
leaders in Ankara -- not the United Nations or Washington -- had the final word on who
would be permitted to enter or leave northern Iraq.
The situation deteriorated in 1993 and 1994. Despite the international efforts on their
behalf, the Kurds suffered the effects of a "double embargo" -- the one imposed by the
United Nations on Iraq (including Kurdish-controlled areas) and Iraq's efforts to prevent
assistance and aid workers from flowing north to the Kurds. Saddam controlled access to
critical energy sources, such as electricity and oil. As a result, the Kurds were left
dependent on the good will of the international community and their neighbors -- Iraq, Iran,
Syria and Turkey.
Kurdish attempts to gain some relief were rebuffed by the U.N. sanctions committee,
which included representatives from Turkey and the United States. When the British
indicated some support for a Kurdish request to bring in a mobile oil refinery, the United
States refused to consider it. The Clinton administration's position against any partial
easing of the sanctions remained firm in the most trivial cases. A project to establish a
democracy education center at Irbil University took nearly two years to gain State
Department approval. Washington had decided it was okay to protect and feed the Kurds,
but it would not facilitate any effort to rebuild their war-torn economy or create institutions
of civil society and self-government.
From the start, U.S. policy was crippled by deep contradictions -- on the one hand, our
commitment to support the Kurds, and on the other, our desire to resist any infringement
on Iraq's territorial integrity and to assuage Turkish fears of growing Kurdish autonomy.
Unable to reconcile these opposing forces, the Clinton administration did as little as it could
when it came to the Kurds.
During the administration's first two years, U.S. assistance to the Kurds was cut nearly in
half. The bulk of those funds were provided by Congress at its own initiative. The
administration's later requests fell considerably short of earlier funding levels. With the
exception of a small direct food program, U.S. aid was dispersed through private voluntary
organizations. U.S. policy dictated that none of the assistance be provided directly to the
Kurdish authorities.
The strained situation was furthered complicated by Turkey's escalating war in 1993 and
1994 against the Kurdish Workers Party -- the PKK -- a militant organization seeking
increased autonomy or independence for the Turkish Kurds. Turkey's military took
advantage of the United States need to use Turkish air bases as a staging area for the
Provide Comfort operation to gain American silence in response to its increasingly violent
campaign to "solve" the Kurdish problem in Turkey. Among other things, this effort
included frequent and massive Turkish military incursions into northern Iraq (including the
so-called "security zone" area) to destroy PKK hamlets there. Inside Turkey, the army
implemented a massive village depopulation program, destroying an estimated 2000
Kurdish villages since 1993. Provide Comfort slowly became "Provide Cover."
Meanwhile, as the political and economic situation worsened in northern Iraq, so did
cooperation between the two major Kurdish factions there -- Massoud Barzani's Kurdish
Democratic Party (KDP) and Jalal Talabani's Patriotic Union for Kurdistan (PUK). Access
to limited financial resources became a major point of KDP-PUK contention. Barzani,
largely in control of the areas bordering Turkey in the northwest, reaped the primary benefit
of Ankara's illicit trade with Iraq through "tariffs" on the Turkish truck traffic. Open KDP-
PUK fighting broke out in May 1994.
Since then, U.S. efforts to facilitate a cease-fire between the two major Iraqi Kurdish
factions is, again, largely a record of lukewarm engagement. The difficult task of brokering
a cease-fire was not given high U.S. priority until Saddam's forces were driving toward
Irbil last month. The United States acquiesced in the Turkish desire to limit international
involvement in this effort -- including Turkey's refusal to include British officials in
important early meetings with the parties inside Iraq.
Despite our history of providing financial carrots to parties we are coaxing toward peace
-- in the Middle East, in Cyprus, even in Northern Ireland -- Washington brought
astonishingly few resources to the table with it in this Kurdish mediation effort. Finally,
U.S. leverage was undermined by the growing sense in the region that Washington could
live with the Kurdish infighting and did not see it as a major threat to its overall policy
toward Iraq.
The recent announcement that Ankara will create a 10-mile Turkish "security zone" in
northern Iraq brings the situation full circle. Turkish Foreign Minister Tansu Ciller has
stated that this zone will enable Turkey to keep the PKK off its borders and act as a buffer
against any large Kurdish refugee inflow into Turkey -- the primary accomplishments of
Operation Provide Comfort. The rest of northern Iraq is now left to the whims of those in
power in Tehran, Baghdad and Damascus. The only U.S. ground presence in the region,
the Military Coordinating Committee, withdrew from northern Iraq last week. Operation
Provide Comfort will soon be overflying largely Turkish and Iraqi/KDP controlled
territory. There is no longer any doubt that the "no fly" zone provides no protection against
Iraqi ground incursions. Foreign aid workers are fleeing Iraq -- as are Kurdish refugees,
once again.
The Kurdish parties themselves deserve ultimate blame for their factional fighting and the
misfortune it has once again brought to the Kurdish people. If the Kurds had been able to
maintain a united front, the recent crisis might have been avoided. But this does not absolve
the United States of its role in this crisis. The United States put its credibility behind a
pledge to protect the Iraqi Kurdish people and then helped perpetuate a situation in which
economic and political stability was impossible.
U.S. involvement in northern Iraq was intended to be a short-term, stop-gap policy largely
to help Turkey and embarrass Saddam. When it became clear that Saddam would be around
for some time -- and so would the need for Operation Provide Comfort -- the U.S.
government failed to address the serious shortcomings and contradictions of its policy.
Instead, the United States permitted its involvement in northern Iraq to be guided by
Turkey, a country that believes the division of the Kurdish factions is in its interests. The
Clinton administration never fully appreciated the threat presented by the growing power
vacuum in northern Iraq and the danger that the region might once again become an area of
conflict for the Kurds' neighbors -- Iran, Syria and Turkey. Over the last six months, they
ignored repeated warnings from Kurdish leaders of increased Iranian involvement. As a
result, KDP leader Barzani concluded that the future of northern Iraq lay with Saddam, not
with the United States, and he moved to establish the alliance with Baghdad that sparked
the present crisis.
The cost of this latest Kurdish tragedy was first and foremost humanitarian. An opportunity
to improve the lot of these ill-fated people was lost. At the same time, the international
community missed an opportunity to prove to the people of Iraq that those that stand up
against Saddam Hussein are able to achieve a brighter future. This, more than anything
else, might have helped bring about the internal Iraqi revolt against Saddam that U.S.
policymakers have long desired. Short-sighted, cautious, status quo policy won out. The
victims were U.S. prestige, U.S. policy toward Iraq and the hopes of the Kurdish
people.
Katherine A. Wilkens, a Council on Foreign Relations fellow at the Center for International
and Security Studies at the University of Maryland, is former staff director of the
subcommittee on Europe and the Middle East of the House Foreign Affairs Committee.
 

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Grantt - your posts are laughable. 90% of Iraq oil going to the US? What year was that?
 

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Jazz you don't have to keep proving your ignorance to me. What country consumes the most oil in the world by far?
 

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the americans this and the americans that....

the utter and complete stupidity, ignorance and misguided hatred shown by the anti-american fanatics has no basis in fact or reality.

the USA has been and is leading attempts to rid the world of jackass losers like Saddam while complete wastes of oxygen like Grantt howl at the moon.

its unfortunate that people like Grantt who demonstate such extremely limited capacitiy for viewing reality feel compelled to spew their anger for their lot in life at the nearest target, damn any intrusions of reality!
 

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