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he doesn't say drilling will work

he simply says he's willing to COMPROMISE on the issue to get some of his energy stuff passed

what is wrong with that?

I actually think compromise and willing to work on things is an extremely attractive trait in a president
 

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means the crooks in congress will be able to get more stuff done

i don't want the federal government doing stuff

as we've seen for many decades now when they do stuff 9 times outta 10 its bad stuff for the average joe
 

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Don't you want someone who will change their mind? Isn't that what you want to do, persuade someone to consider the other side? Maybe if Bush would have consider the other sides argument we wouldn't be stuck in Iraq with $4 a gallon gas. This goes both ways across party lines.
 

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McCains flip-flops are so minor they are not even relevent. If he was instructed by his wife to get 1/2 lb. roast beef before coming home and came with 1/4 lb. this would constitute a flip-flop to desperate Democratic eyes.
Obama's flip-flops are of the sledge-hammer variety. Everything he campaigned on to fleece the Democratic nomination he has flip-flopped on.
Absolute stunning reversals.

McCain’s rapid fire, acrobatic flip-flops have produced whiplash, at least for voters. 10 times since the beginning of June, McCain has retreated from, upended or just forgotten positions he once claimed as his own. On Social Security, balancing the budget, defense spending, domestic surveillance and a host of other issues so far this month, McCain’s “Straight Talk Express” did a U-turn on the road to the White House.
1. Social Security Privatization. John McCain has apparently learned the lesson that the more President Bush spoke about his Social Security privatization scheme, the less popular it became. On Friday, Mr. Straight Talk proclaimed at a New Hampshire event, “I’m not for, quote, privatizing Social Security. I never have been. I never will be.” Sadly, McCain and his advisers like ousted HP CEO Carly Fiorina are on record declaring fidelity to the idea of diverting Social Security dollars into private accounts. On November 18, 2004, for example, McCain announced, “Without privatization, I don’t see how you can possibly, over time, make sure that young Americans are able to receive Social Security benefits.” And in March 2003, McCain backed his President, declaring, “As part of Social Security reform, I believe that private savings accounts are a part of it - along the lines that President Bush proposed.” As they say, let’s go to the videotape.
2. Raising - and Slashing - Defense Spending. As Steve Benen noted Friday, John McCain was also for boosting American defense spending before he was against it. In the November 2007 issue of Foreign Affairs, McCain argued “we can also afford to spend more on national defense, which currently consumes less than four cents of every dollar that our economy generates - far less than what we spent during the Cold War.” But facing the $2 trillion budgetary hole the McCain tax plan is forecast to produce (a sea of red ink even the Wall Street Journal noticed), Team McCain changed its tune. As Forbes scoffed in amazement:
“McCain’s top economic adviser, Doug Holtz-Eakin, blithely supposes that cuts in defense spending could make up for reducing the corporate tax rate from 35% to 25% and the subsequent shrinkage in federal revenues. Get that? The national security candidate wants to cut spending on our national security. Wait until the generals and the admirals hear that.”
3. First Term Balanced Budget Pledge. With its on-again/off-again/on-again promise to balance the budget by January 2013, the McCain campaign executed that rarest of political maneuvers, the 360. During a February 15th rally in La Crosse, Wisconsin, “McCain promised he’d offer a balanced budget by the end of his first term.” But just days later, McCain’s senior economic adviser Douglas Holtz-Eakin announced a deficit-ending target of 2017. In mid-April, Holtz-Eakin proclaimed, “I would like the next president not to talk about deficit reduction.” McCain, too, signaled the retreat from his first-term balance budget commitment, explaining to Chris Matthews on April 15th that “economic conditions are reversed.”
Apparently economic conditions have improved dramatically since then. On June 6, Holtz-Eakin squared the circle, announcing, “That plan, when appropriately phased in, as it has always been intended to be, will bring the budget to balance by the end of his first term.”
4. The Media’s Treatment of Hillary Clinton. No doubt, John McCain suffers from recurring bouts of selective amnesia. And some episodes take only days to manifest themselves. During his disastrous “green screen” speech on June 3, McCain reached out to Hillary Clinton’s supporters by proclaiming, “The media often overlooked how compassionately she spoke to the concerns and dreams of millions of Americans, and she deserves a lot more appreciation than she sometimes received.” But by June 7, McCain denied to Newsweek that his media critique never passed his lips, “I did not–that was in prepared remarks, and I did not–I’m not in the business of commenting on the press and their coverage or not coverage.”
5. The Estate Tax. Just days before his contortionist act on Social Security, John McCain reversed course on the estate tax as well. On June 8, 2006, McCain on the Senate floor expressed his agreement with Teddy Roosevelt that “most great civilized countries have an income tax and an inheritance tax” and “in my judgment both should be part of our system of federal taxation.” But after years of battling Republican colleagues dead-set on dismantling the so-called “death tax” and instead promoting a $5 million trigger, on Tuesday John McCain sounded the retreat. Now, he insists, “the estate tax is one of the most unfair tax laws on the books.”
6. FISA, Domestic Surveillance and Telecom Immunity. When it comes to the Bush administration’s program of domestic spying on Americans, McCain has performed similar logical gymnastics. On December 20, 2007, McCain suggested to the Pulitzer prize-winning journalist Charles Savage that President Bush had clearly crossed the line. As Wired’s Ryan Singel noted:
“I think that presidents have the obligation to obey and enforce laws that are passed by Congress and signed into law by the president, no matter what the situation is,” McCain said. The Globe’s Charlie Savage pushed further, asking , “So is that a no, in other words, federal statute trumps inherent power in that case, warrantless surveillance?” To which McCain answered, “I don’t think the president has the right to disobey any law.”
But on June 2, McCain adviser Holtz-Eakin put that notion to rest, telling the National Review:
“[N]either the Administration nor the telecoms need apologize for actions that most people, except for the ACLU and the trial lawyers, understand were Constitutional and appropriate in the wake of the attacks on September 11, 2001.”
Pressed to explain the glaring inconsistencies, John McCain on June 6 played dumb, deciding that cowardice is the better part of valor. As the New York Times reported, McCain now believes the legality of Bush’s regime of NSA domestic surveillance is unclear and, in any event, is old news:
“It’s ambiguous as to whether the president acted within his authority or not,” he said, saying courts had ruled different ways on the matter. “I’m not interested in going back. I’m interested in addressing the challenge we face to day of trying to do everything we can to counter organizations and individuals that want to destroy this country. So there’s ambiguity about it. Let’s move forward.”
As for immunity for the telecommunications firms cooperating with the White House in what before August 2007 was doubtless illegal surveillance, there too McCain’s position has evolved. On May 23, campaign surrogate Chuck Fish announced that McCain would not back retroactive immunity “unless there were revealing Congressional hearings and heartfelt repentance from those telephone and internet companies.” Subsequently, the McCain campaign swiftly backtracked, claiming its man supports immunity unconditionally.
7. Restoring the Everglades. On June 5, John McCain traveled to the Everglades to win over Floridians and environmentally-minded voters. There he proclaimed, “I am in favor of doing whatever’s necessary to save the Everglades.” Sadly, as ThinkProgress documented, McCain not only opposed $2 billion in funding for the restoration of the Everglades national park, he backed President Bush’s veto of the legislation in 2007. “I believe,” he said, “that we should be passing a bill that will authorize legitimate, needed projects without sacrificing fiscal responsibility.”
8. Divestment from South Africa. During his June 2 speech to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), John McCain called for the international community to target Iran for the kind of worldwide sanctions regime applied to apartheid-era South Africa. Unfortunately, McCain’s lobbyist-advisers Charlie Black and Rick Davis each represented firms doing business with Tehran. Even more unfortunate, John McCain was frequently not among those offering “moral clarity and conviction” in backing “a divestment campaign against South Africa, helping to rid that nation of the evil of apartheid.” As ThinkProgress detailed:
Despite voting to override President Reagan’s veto of a bill imposing economic sanctions against South Africa in 1986, McCain voted against sanctions on at least six other occasions.
9. Fighting Job Losses in Michigan. During the run-up to the Michigan primary, John McCain cautioned workers there in January that he didn’t want to raise “false hopes that somehow we can bring back lost jobs,” adding that it” wasn’t government’s job to protect buggy factories and haberdashers when cars replaced carriages and men stopped wearing hats.” But after getting trounced in Michigan by Mitt Romney and watching the economy deteriorate further, McCain has had a change of heart. As Bloomberg noted on June 5:
Nowadays, the party’s presumptive nominee is singing a different tune, striking a populist pose and saying “new jobs are coming”… …Over the past few months, however, McCain has taken a lesson from Romney, acknowledging recently that “Americans are hurting.” Returning to Michigan last month, the Arizona senator told a local television station that he would fight for new jobs and the state wouldn’t “be left behind.”
Perhaps the good people of Michigan, as John McCain suggested to a Kentucky audience in April, can make a living on eBay.
10. Opposing Hurricane Katrina Investigations. During a June 4th town hall meeting in Baton Rouge, John McCain answered a reporter’s question regarding Hurricane Katrina and the failure of the New Orleans levees by announcing:
“I’ve supported every investigation and ways of finding out what caused the tragedy. I’ve been here to New Orleans. I’ve met with people on the ground.”
As it turns out, not so much. McCain’s revisionist history neglects to mention that in 2005 and 2006 he twice voted against a commission to study the government’s response to Katrina. He also opposed three separate emergency funding measures providing relief to Katrina victims, including the extension of five months of Medicaid benefits. And as ThinkProgress pointed out, “until traveling there one month ago, McCain had made just one public tour of New Orleans since Hurricane Katrina touched down in August 2005.”
And so it goes. As surely as the sun rises in the east and sets in the west each day, so too will John McCain change positions. (Like that other law of nature, McCain’s flip-flops are literally becoming a daily occurrence. Since this piece was originally drafted on Saturday, McCain added two new policy turnabouts - on phasing out rather than repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax and on requiring a litmus test for his judicial appointees - to his litany of reversals.) As the Pew Research Center recently found, the word Americans now most frequently use to describe John McCain is not “maverick,” but “old.” Given the dizzying pace of his reversals, “opportunist” may soon top that list.
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Which of these are the minor irrelevant flip-flops you are talking about?
 

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he doesn't say drilling will work

he simply says he's willing to COMPROMISE on the issue to get some of his energy stuff passed

what is wrong with that?

I actually think compromise and willing to work on things is an extremely attractive trait in a president

Agreed but I question his sincerity.
 

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Don't you want someone who will change their mind? Isn't that what you want to do, persuade someone to consider the other side? Maybe if Bush would have consider the other sides argument we wouldn't be stuck in Iraq with $4 a gallon gas. This goes both ways across party lines.

its all a dog and pony show the "housing bill" has nothing to do with helping the average joe

"rebate" checks = more debt so we can attempt to keep bubbles including high oil prices afloat....

the more congress does chances are the more they are raping the average taxpaying citizen as a whole
 

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Which of these are the minor irrelevant flip-flops you are talking about?

These minor infractions if you can even call them that, are like the sweet summer breaze variety while Barry X flip-flops are of the hurricane variety. I named what McCain stands for there is absolutely nothing Barry X campaigned on that he hasn't done an about face on.
Name one thing you can be sure of that BO stands for, he's confusing even his most staunch supporters. That's an awful indictment!
 

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paftraft, liberals don't know the difference between a brazen 24 hour transparent flip-flop and a sincere change of heart over an extended period of time.
 

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paftraft, liberals don't know the difference between a brazen 24 hour transparent flip-flop and a sincere change of heart over an extended period of time.


I think they'll finally learn the hard way in November. McCain +260 is looking better every flip-floppin day!
 

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paftraft, raising taxes is not minor. they both flop. i personally could care less. i dont want someone who will never change there mind.
 

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gtc, no offense intended so none should be taken but in the larger scheme of things this is trivial. That is, McCain is known as a low tax advocate while Obama is creating an itinary & platform which would necessitate huge taxes for all. If one of McCains idea's increases a certain tax by a minimal amount that's a trivial matter. On the flip-flop Richter scale it world measure about 0.2.
 

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means the crooks in congress will be able to get more stuff done

i don't want the federal government doing stuff

as we've seen for many decades now when they do stuff 9 times outta 10 its bad stuff for the average joe

Tiz, an accurate statement if there ever was one. Something that I agree with completely. Whoda thunk it? :thumbsup:
 

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Obama Defends Shift On Drilling
Speaking to reporters yesterday, Barack Obama defended his shift on offshore drilling -- from opposing it to supporting a larger energy compromise proposal that includes it: "If we can come up with a genuine bipartisan compromise, in which I have to accept some things that I don't like, or the Democrats have to accept some things that they don't like in exchange for actually moving us in the direction of actual energy independence, then that's something I'm open to."
 

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Obama Defends Shift On Drilling
Speaking to reporters yesterday, Barack Obama defended his shift on offshore drilling -- from opposing it to supporting a larger energy compromise proposal that includes it: "If we can come up with a genuine bipartisan compromise, in which I have to accept some things that I don't like, or the Democrats have to accept some things that they don't like in exchange for actually moving us in the direction of actual energy independence, then that's something I'm open to."

A flip-flop of the 8.5 on the Ricter scale variety. McCain already beat Obama to the punch on that one. What happened to Obama's solution of a week ago,
PUTTING MORE PRESSURE IN YOUR TIRES!
 

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stop with the tunnel vision

this forum consists of

-obama haters hating everything he does
-mccain haters hating everything he does

i'm guilty of this at times but nearly as most of these people..you especially...and most mccain haters too

what obama has said here is this is a point he will concede on to get some stuff of his energy stuff passed

isn't that part of democracy?
isn't that what a good politician should do?
is there not give and take in this while thing?
 

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stop with the tunnel vision

this forum consists of

-obama haters hating everything he does
-mccain haters hating everything he does

i'm guilty of this at times but nearly as most of these people..you especially...and most mccain haters too

what obama has said here is this is a point he will concede on to get some stuff of his energy stuff passed

isn't that part of democracy?
isn't that what a good politician should do?
is there not give and take in this while thing?

Well stated.
However its my opinion that Obama has seemed to concede on every policy he held which fueled his path to the Democratic nomination in order to try to get his general election campaign back on track. This just happens to be another brazen example!
 

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Nice to see a level-headed person in here Betit, and yes, its time both sides realize their platform is failing America...
 

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were all programmed to find articles, trends, etc. about the candidates and go at them only without any look at the candidate we are supporting. hell i did that the other day when i posted the obama 49 mccain 40 poll. i only look at negative mccain articles, negative mccain trends because i dont like mccain. its dumb, but i do it and will continue to do it, i don't think it accomplishes anything and is probably not accurate since its one sided, but its what i want to see so i read it and post it.

tocco, paftract, vegas to an extent, rightside are the same way except they just post obama stuff.
 

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CHANGE is what you will be lucky to in your pocket if he is elected and it won't be spare change.
 

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CHANGE is what you will be lucky to in your pocket if he is elected and it won't be spare change.

The hugely successful bastion of capitalism is the target of the worldwide Left's rejectionism. It would be a huge breakthrough for America, and the entire world, to bore through to this frozen-in-time intellectual class, and get them to realize that they need to move on. Capitalism is here to stay.
 

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