Here’s What Happened After ‘Black Lives Matter’ Protester Underwent Use of Force Scenarios With Cops

[Enfuego]

Yep, and a lot of people don't like that an unarmed 12 year old died because the officer did something stupid.

I don't see skin color in these things, to me it's easy. A kid and an adult involved, the adult supposedly a professional, made a mistake too.

Only the child had to pay for it.

That whole "he pointed the gun at me" buys you a lot of liberties if you have a badge. Just a real world heads up for you.

The cops life was never in danger, had he used his training he would have found that out rather than resort to deadly force immediately.

I guess it was easier to blow him away than waste time getting to the bottom of it.

Except to a cop, he thought he was armed and therefore, was well within his rights to shoot to protect his own life.

You and I weren't there. We can't pretend to know what was going through the cop's mind. It's real easy to sit here now and say he should've "got to the bottom of it."

A cop in Flagstaff tried to "get to the bottom" of a domestic last week. The guy pulled out a gun and shot the cop 6 times and killed him.

There was no getting to the bottom of anything.

 

[Enfuego]

You sure are a dumb son of a bitch

Very nice of you. Feel free to contribute.

 

[Enfuego]

PI, we just agree to disagree but we do have a cop on this board and he'll tell you, he would've done the same thing given the same situation.

I don't like that a kid died but he died because of his own actions. It sucks.

 

[919]

So, instead of discussing the issue, you make it personal. You say I don't admit I'm wrong? Why, because you think you're right? It's not about right or wrong. It's about having a difference of an opinion. I'm not going to make it personal.

This isn't a racial issue. I've never ever made anything racial on this board. Think again bud.

I love it when people who are wrong claim that "it's just my opinion"... As if every argument has equally valid answers...

the he kid was 12 and playing with a toy. You keep faulting the kid, but cannot rationalize that the cop (the adult and figure responsible with protecting the public...ie the kid), made any errors in judgement. Hell, you even called the kid a criminal.

 

[PatrickMcIrish]

PI, we just agree to disagree but we do have a cop on this board and he'll tell you, he would've done the same thing given the same situation.

I don't like that a kid died but he died because of his own actions. It sucks.

Yes we do, one of my favorite posters. My best friend is a cop. That doesn't mean they don't make mistakes.

And overall I think you've been a steady contributor. It's just on this topic you seemingly, IMO at least, won't even consider another view point.

Here's a scenario to consider.

Two 8-year olds are playing Cowboys and Indians in their front yard. The almost blind man living across the street calls it in to the police.

A cop comes screeching up in the front yard, jumps out and tells them to drop it! Surprised, the kids don't react to it.....

In fact they start to hold the gun up trying to show the officer it's a fake.

The cop immediately shoots both of them to death, hell "he wanted to go home to his family".

I mean the officer didn't have time to find out the truth, what else could he do? Better to shoot a kid or two than run the risk it was real guns!!

What do you think, you cool with this?

 

[919]

Yes we do, one of my favorite posters. My best friend is a cop. That doesn't mean they don't make mistakes.

And overall I think you've been a steady contributor. It's just on this topic you seemingly, IMO at least, won't even consider another view point.

Here's a scenario to consider.

Two 8-year olds are playing Cowboys and Indians in their front yard. The almost blind man living across the street calls it in to the police.

A cop comes screeching up in the front yard, jumps out and tells them to drop it! Surprised, the kids don't react to it.....

In fact they start to hold the gun up trying to show the officer it's a fake.

The cop immediately shoots both of them to death, hell "he wanted to go home to his family".

In your opinion is anything wrong in that situation?

shitty neighborhood or suburbs?

 

[PatrickMcIrish]

shitty neighborhood or suburbs?

Exactly.

I purposely left out the relevant part.

 

[Enfuego]

I love it when people who are wrong claim that "it's just my opinion"... As if every argument has equally valid answers...

the he kid was 12 and playing with a toy. You keep faulting the kid, but cannot rationalize that the cop (the adult and figure responsible with protecting the public...ie the kid), made any errors in judgement. Hell, you even called the kid a criminal.

The kid was a criminal. He was committing a felony.

Have you seen these toy guns these days? The air soft things look very real. It was his fault. If it wasn't his fault, the cop would be in jail.

 

[Enfuego]

Yes we do, one of my favorite posters. My best friend is a cop. That doesn't mean they don't make mistakes.

And overall I think you've been a steady contributor. It's just on this topic you seemingly, IMO at least, won't even consider another view point.

Here's a scenario to consider.

Two 8-year olds are playing Cowboys and Indians in their front yard. The almost blind man living across the street calls it in to the police.

A cop comes screeching up in the front yard, jumps out and tells them to drop it! Surprised, the kids don't react to it.....

In fact they start to hold the gun up trying to show the officer it's a fake.

The cop immediately shoots both of them to death, hell "he wanted to go home to his family".

I mean the officer didn't have time to find out the truth, what else could he do? Better to shoot a kid or two than run the risk it was real guns!!

What do you think, you cool with this?

We're just wasting our time so no need to go any further with it man.

If I'm carrying a gun on my hip and a person points a gun at me and I think it's real, I am going to react out of fear the guy may shoot me. There's no discussing anything. Trying to talk to a guy with a gun will get you killed.

 

[PatrickMcIrish]

Surrender noted.

 

[Enfuego]

I love it when people who are wrong claim that "it's just my opinion"... As if every argument has equally valid answers...

the he kid was 12 and playing with a toy. You keep faulting the kid, but cannot rationalize that the cop (the adult and figure responsible with protecting the public...ie the kid), made any errors in judgement. Hell, you even called the kid a criminal.

This isn't a right or wrong situation. Not what it's about.

You feel one way, I feel the other. Nobody has to be right or wrong.

 

[919]

The kid was a criminal. He was committing a felony.

Have you seen these toy guns these days? The air soft things look very real. It was his fault. If it wasn't his fault, the cop would be in jail.

Bullshit. These cops always get out of it. No DA is going to prosecute a cop and send him to jail to deal with those he and his brothers have locked up. I know several DA's and they al say the same. They will protect cops guilty or not. Also, no DA will be elected having prosecuted police. Stop with this childish argument that all legal cases are the true determination of right and wrong.

 

[Enfuego]

Surrender noted.

Yeah, ok whatever.

I just don't want to go back and forth with you all night when neither one of us is changing each other's mind.

Blame the cop instead of the guy that instigated the incident. Sounds rational.

 

[919]

This isn't a right or wrong situation. Not what it's about.

You feel one way, I feel the other. Nobody has to be right or wrong.

youre certainly entitled to feel any way you want.

 

[Enfuego]

Bullshit. These cops always get out of it. No DA is going to prosecute a cop and send him to jail to deal with those he and his brothers have locked up. I know several DA's and they al say the same. They will protect cops guilty or not. Also, no DA will be elected having prosecuted police. Stop with this childish argument that all legal cases are the true determination of right and wrong.

Are you saying the DA is corrupt and didn't prosecute on purpose?

For the record, I think E. Garner got screwed and the cop should've been charged with manslaughter.

 

[Enfuego]

youre certainly entitled to feel any way you want.

As are you. I don't think you're dumb though. Don't know where that came from.

 

[PatrickMcIrish]

Sharp post 919.

Plus when you go through a police academy they teach you all about deadly force. When it's legal......

And how to make it legal when it isn't. All what you write in the report. Key phrases need to go in and you're covered.

The vehicle was coming right at me. I feared for my life. He pointed a gun at me! And so on.

The whole point a gun thing is silly anyway, if they have time to point it they've already shot you if that was their intent.

I mean it's startling how many people point guns at police but had no intention of firing. It's a miracle!

They point it, relax, and wait for the officer to aim his revolver, and blow them away.

Incredible how fortunate the men in blue are! Thousands die this way, just read the police reports!

To be clear though, all cops are not like this. I'd say not even most of them......

But if you don't think cops manipulate things like this to cover their ass you're very naive.

They know what to say, how to say it, and cover each other as much as possible. As they say.....

Dead men (or kids) don't talk.

 

[Enfuego]

Sharp post 919.

Plus when you go through a police academy they teach you all about deadly force. When it's legal......

And how to make it legal when it isn't. All what you write in the report. Key phrases need to go in and you're covered.

The vehicle was coming right at me. I feared for my life. He pointed a gun at me! And so on.

The whole point a gun thing is silly anyway, if they have time to point it they've already shot you if that was their intent.

I mean it's startling how many people point guns at police but had no intention of firing. It's a miracle!

They point it, relax, and wait for the officer to aim his revolver, and blow them away.

Incredible how fortunate the men in blue are! Thousands die this way, just read the police reports!

To be clear though, all cops are not like this. I'd say not even most of them......

But if you don't think cops manipulate things like this to cover their ass you're very naive.

They know what to say, how to say it, and cover each other as much as possible. As they say.....

Dead men (or kids) don't talk.

Says the Flagstaff cop killed last week by a criminal. Don't worry, he can't talk. His body cam talked for him.

 

[PatrickMcIrish]

What does that have to do with this case?

So you're suggesting since some criminals attack cops, picking off a few unarmed kids is justified to even the score?

WOW!

Okay man, good luck on your plays.....

 

[Enfuego]

What does that have to do with this case?

So you're suggesting since some criminals attack cops, picking off a few unarmed kids is justified to even the score?

WOW!

Okay man, good luck on your plays.....

Not what I'm suggesting at all but thanks for putting words in my mouth.

I'm suggesting the cop in Flagstaff tried talking to the criminal and didn't have time as the guy shot him six times. There was no time for discussion. We ask these guys to make split second decisions then we second guess them?

A man was executed last week in Georgia for killing a cop 17 years ago. I watched the cop's dash cam. The guy was pulled over after going 98 in a 65 or something like that. The cop sees him reach for a rifle and even after reaching for the rifle, the cop tells him to drop the rifle 5 times. He tried reasoning with him and he paid with his own life as the guy pumped 9 rounds into him.

There should've been no discussion. We can't armchair QB these things.