Gentlemen I need your opinion in this matter regarding betbg

[lander]

I have had nothing but exceptional service from BG. Doug and Ted are two of the most honest guys that I have encountered in this industry.

Considering this, and the fact that Brit has a dodgy history my initials thoughts are that Brit was intentionally trying to cheat and got caught.

I will continue playing at BG.

 

[Doug]

The player is setting himself up IMO...Why take the chance that this could happen, why not call it in and be safe?

Why can't books have this installed in their software (limit this sort of thing if they really want)

*If* this has been allowed in the past, it sure seems the book should honor it.

SIA software works well in limiting the amount bet.

 

[SubZaero]

I think Judge is on to something here.
It's one thing to hit a number twice on NFL for a total of 10K on the side, than hitting a number 18 times for a total of 10K in a soccer total. JMO

 

[IDENTITY]

BOTTOM LINE:

1. WOULD THE BOOK HAVE CANCELLED THE $9500 IN WAGERS HAD THE BET LOST? OF COURSE NOT!!!

2. THE BOOK SHOULD NOT HAVE WAITED UNTIL AFTER THE GAME IS OVER.

3. HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A BOOK REFUND A LOSING BET BECAUSE OF A VIOLATION OF THEIR RULES? OF COURSE NOT.

CONCLUSION: THIS BOOK WAS TAKING A SHOT. STAY FAR FAR AWAY.

 

[MYFOOTBALLGAME]

Bluegrass hired a new "ahole" for a line manager that seems to think everybody is sharp and stealing is justifiable if you win. They took a shot at you, and now are trying to screw you. I would try and speak to Doug and talk some sense into him, anyone else is worthless. I feel they should honor the beat if there is no history of wrong doing in the account or they never told you you couldn't do it. I know at Olympic I can only bet 500 at a time on the computer, so if I bet more than that I call it in. Maybe they should fix their software if they don't want you to bet it multiple times or atleast tell you not to. Hopefully they do the right thing and pay, based on the circumstances that they didn't cancel the play before teh game startyed, it does look like they took a shot at you.

 

[daringly]

Looks to me like both parties are at fault, but mainly Bluegrass.

As a sidenote, I'm not aware of ANY book that takes 10 dimes on a soccer total in ANY league. Soccer totals are EXTREMELY soft, and the books know it. You can get down 250k on an asian side easier than 25k on a soccer total.

Bluegrass would be in its rights to cancel the excess wagers before the game began. If most of the wagers were placed at least 2 hours before gametime, Bluegrass had a fair chance to treat things fairly. Sportbooks know what their position is on any game long before it starts. If there was a huge imbalance (i.e. 10k on a weak soccer total line) and they didn't cancel the bet before the game began, two things are certain: 1. Bluegrass was aware of it; and 2. Bluegrass took a shot at you.

The matter is made worse, since there was a history between Bluegrass and the player, permitting this type of wager in the past. If these types of wagers were allowed due to a "bug" in the software, Bluegrass could have 1. emailed the player, telling him this type of wagering is not allowed, or 2. suspended the account, which would definitely make MyfootballGame contact them, and then they could discuss the repeat wagers.

You should make your case to Sportsbookreview - if they agree that you've been screwed, a demotion of Bluegrass's rating there will hurt more than anything TheRx can do.

MyFootBallGame (and all players) - if you are able to place 2 consecutive limit bets at the same price, you're asking for trouble, even if the software allows it. SIA routinely screws people (and gets scoffed for it) when a player does this same thing. If you're not sure if you should do something, ask! Think how strong your case would be now if you had an email saying "MyFootballGame, thanks for asking. You are certainly allowed to bet the same game over and over, as long as you wait 60 seconds between each bet." Or, the book tells you "No, don't do that." You nod along, but are saved this kind of hassle.

When in doubt, ask in writing (email). Shady wagering option? Ask. Unclear bonus (whoring or pro)? Ask. Prop rules? Ask. Once you ask, and get a response by email, the book is stuck. They can't even wiggle or squirm - there is no saving face, except admit they're a stiff book. But in a situation like yours, you left it "in the grey", and you could have made it black and white.

 

[krackman]

Do you happen to post under the name Revere14 also? He also took a shot(and won) at WSEX by doing the exact same thing.

C,mon 10 dimes on a fvcking soccer total?????? You knew the job was dangerous when you took it.

 

[assassin]

Krackman,


how goes the poker?

 

[krackman]

Not bad thanks for asking. Played in the friday night Bellagio tourney and came in 3rd for 13k last week. Mostly play online tourneys though. They go faster and I can play in my underwear

 

[WalkofLife]

I agree with daringly, it seems both parties are at fault here.

Before I go on, I'd like to quote BBG's official response, posted at OGD:

NSH,

Our new software was configured incorrectly and it was letting you play any game, not only soccer, as many times as you wanted not respecting the wager limit we had established.

It is pretty obvious that if you try to bet more than $500 on a game and it says “Maximum Bet of $500 allowed” we are only taking that amount, but since you try betting games that have already started and you are always trying to figure a way to cheat the system, you found a way to bet more than $500.

If the scenario was like you posted it, I would have respected your wagers, it would have been our line manager’s fault for not paying attention to the bets coming in, but here is what really happened, you placed the wagers ALL IN ONE SAME TICKET, so it wasn’t in 4-6 hours, it was all of them at the same time popping us 18 times for $500 a piece?

Now after seeing you bet games that are already off the board, and running reports on you account and realizing this wasn’t the first time you did this, DO YOU REALLY THING IT WAS OK TO BET THE GAME 18 TIMES???

Not to mention he went back 1 hour later and bet it 7 more times…

So, in short:

• The player placed all the wagers at the same time, 18 pops for a nickel a piece. This shows intention and dedication by the player to get as much money on the bet as possible
• This was not the first time this happened, which means there was a pattern of behaviour. This works in favor and against the player. Against, because this means he has tried to circumvent the posted limits in the past, which is a clear violation of BBG's posted rules... and in favor, because this also means that BBG had probably an eye on the action by this player. If this is true, there's a possibility that the book might have taken a shot at the player.
• The player came back after an hour and placed the bet for the limit 7 more times. This means the player probably waited to see if the book had reacted to the initial bets and when the line did not move, he saw a chance to make some more money. If this is indeed true, it reflects bad on the line manager at BBG, as it was his obligation to react to a profiled player laying HEAVY money in a soccer total. There are very little chances that the book was not aware of this player betting a total of $10,000 in a soccer total.

What should have happened? The ideal scenario would have been if:

• The player called in to double check the book was going to validate his bets. After all, he was aware he was circumventing the limits. Then again, majbrit does not have the convenience of a toll free number to call at, as he's in the UK (I believe)
• The book cancelled the bets BEFORE the game went off the board and notified the player by e-mail.

So I think majbrit took a shot and BBG took a shot as well. The bottom line is that BBG did not take the necessary measures at the right time. I believe both parties should come to an agreement. I would personally pay the guy and invite him to never play with me again... and I mean NEVER. Then again trhat's just my opinion.

Then there's the issue of the player bringing the matter to the forums... is it an attempt of extortion? It could be a possibility.

Now, I would also like to mention that whatever the outcome is, the main man behind BBG is known for being extremely honorable. If he decides not to pay majbrit, it's because he will be taking a stand. He might be making a statement against other players trying to pull the same stunt on him.

That was a long ass response....:nopityA:

 

[ChuckSims]

Many books allow you to make multiple max wagers. Pinnacle, WSEX, Carib, to name a few. They usually will adjust the line after each bet but not always. Bluegrass was taking a free shot. If the bettor loses the wagers the book keeps the money. STAY FAR AWAY from Bluegrass. Books that pull this s-h-i-t are one bet away from closing their shop and stiffing everyone.

 

[majbrit]

Thanks for all the responses.

 

[majbrit]

• The player placed all the wagers at the same time, 18 pops for a nickel a piece. This shows intention and dedication by the player to get as much money on the bet as possible

Then there's the issue of the player bringing the matter to the forums... is it an attempt of extortion? It could be a possibility.

Alright: here are some confirmations:

Some of the bets (NOT 18) were placed at 11:53 AM:

Oct 20, 2004 11:53 AM (11:57:03 AM) Writer:INETUSR Confirmation
#:041020115351-1
WON STRAIGHT 550/500 $500

129. CSKA Moscow Un 2½ -110 (2-0)


And some at almost two hours later at 01:34 PM:

Oct 20, 2004 01:34 PM (02:15:03 AM) Writer:INETUSR Confirmation
#:041020133405-1
WON STRAIGHT 550/500 $500


All of the bets gave bg plenty of time to react and cancel the wagers before the game started (not to mention before it ended).


As for extortion: Well if someone owed you 9,5K$ that rightfully belonged to you wouldnt you seek advice? I am not extorting anybody. I keep this in a friendly tone.

 

[majbrit]

I think there may be a difference to hitting a limit twice as opposed to 20 times.Would like to hear other opinions.

Pinnacle and others dont care how many times you hit the pr.ticket limit.

 

[majbrit]

Do you happen to post under the name Revere14 also? He also took a shot(and won) at WSEX by doing the exact same thing.

C,mon 10 dimes on a fvcking soccer total?????? You knew the job was dangerous when you took it.

No I dont - I dont even know him. But i remember the case - and the decision wsex made.

 

[PatrickMcIrish]

I'm a Bluegrass fan, good guys every time I have talked to them and some of the shots they've taken in the forums have been uncalled for along the way. However I can't see how they can get away from either not settling amiably with the player or paying him completely and running him from the shop. To not pay this winner might be asking for more trouble than it's worth. Yes of course the player knew what he was doing, yes of course he knew it was wrong and did it anyway. Still what we have here is a case where they know they have a software problem. They've also admitted they knew the wagers were there all along, it's not like they wouldn't have known anyway, on something where you have a $500 max bet it's very likely you are going to have a strong position on the game if one guy runs in 20X's the standard bet without the line ever moving. If somehow they weren't heavy on that side the player forced these bets through then they didn't lose anything anyway. I doubt very seriously that happened, I'm sure they took a hit but the point is I can't see how they can admit to sitting back and letting the game play knowing they weren't going to pay out if they lost.

TI would bet human nature kicked in, they saw what was going on checked the players past history, he probably has taken a few shots at them and decided to roll the dice. As a result they "accepted" all these bets by just sitting on them quietly on the pretense they were not going to pay if they lost. Just my opinion but Doug runs too great a shop to play ball this way. When you catch something like this either cancel the bets before the game happens even if you think the player knows better, or accept the bets and treat them as action. Its just not worth it if they knew they weren't going to honor the wagers. Especially when there is a problem with the software and it's not suppossed to take all these bets anyway. These disputes that come to the forum and one side tries to extort the other never helps anyone. If you have a guy playing into you that is going to take a shot then join the crowd, just about everybody that ever has written a ticket does. But I think you either boot them and don't let him play through you or you let them stay, no middle ground, you can't let them be a customer and lay back hoping for the chance to stick it up his ass. That's just not the Bluegrass way that I have seen in the past. Just my opinion of course, either way I am going to continue to play there. Good luck guys, I hope you can work it out.

 

[majbrit]

Good post, thanks Patrick!

I have always liked doing business with betbg.

Only thing I'd like to add is that all this talk about me taking shots at them comes down to two things:
1) Betting multiple tickets on several occasions. I thought they had a "pr.ticket maximum policy" like pinna and others and have had both winning and losing bets that way.
2) One single time making bets that I was told had been placed a few minutes after a match started. The bets were cancelled and that was the end of it.

Other than that I dont know of any issues. Are there any betbg?

 

[assassin]

Good points on both sides. A rather healthy and robust discussion is important.


I am favoring the playeer more (assuming facts in evidence are correct) given the book had ample time to cancel the wagers.

Happened to me yesterday, didn't violate any written rule, but rather an unposted internal book policy coupled with a software issue that had not been addressed. Book cancelled the wagers and was in the process of notifying me when I contacted them. WSorked out fine for all of us. Becuase the book did not take a shot, bt rather cancelled the wagers well in advance and then was reasonable to deal with on the issue (Sportbet in fact)

Hope all parties can resolve this.

 

[JudgeWapner]

MB,thought about this alot. There is a big difference between hitting a game twice at limits and 20 times. I know you are not a square and had to have some inkling that BG was not gonna be happy at you getting down for 10g on a sport where they have a 500 limit. And especially at an bad line. Granted the book also has responsibility to keep an eye on the purse strings. I guess the question is does a gambler have a right to stick it up a books ass when they see a glitch in the system? Don't know. I do know that personally,would not want a customer that does. Just my opinion. Also I will point out that BG has never backed off on paying big hits. They paid off some huge ATWs and never whined once. I can certainly understand their attitude here. I will now resign from this thread because I too,like BG and may be somewhat biased.

 

[majbrit]

MB,thought about this alot. There is a big difference between hitting a game twice at limits and 20 times. I know you are not a square and had to have some inkling that BG was not gonna be happy at you getting down for 10g on a sport where they have a 500 limit. And especially at an bad line. Granted the book also has responsibility to keep an eye on the purse strings. I guess the question is does a gambler have a right to stick it up a books ass when they see a glitch in the system? Don't know. I do know that personally,would not want a customer that does. Just my opinion. Also I will point out that BG has never backed off on paying big hits. They paid off some huge ATWs and never whined once. I can certainly understand their attitude here. I will now resign from this thread because I too,like BG and may be somewhat biased.

Everything you say are arguments that the book has the right to cancel the bets before the match.
Nothing you say are arguments that they have the right to refuse to pay after waiting for the game to end.