Interesting debate between Tex and Enf.
Fwiw, the death penalty is both a punishment and a deterrent. The punishment is you’re put to death, the deterrent is you’re locked up till you die so you don’t have a chance to do it again.
Being on death row for 25 years is just plain stupid on so many levels. The cost, the endless appeals, no final closure for the victims families. However it’s the law. Don’t like it? Change it.
Anyone is capable of murder? In theory that’s true, in reality it’s not. I’ve seen people refuse to fire their weapon.
It is a fallacy that’s it’s easy to take a human life. Some can, some can’t.
And buy the way not being able to pull the trigger doesn’t make you a coward but it can make you dead.
I have great admiration for those who protect us, whether they be military or law informant.
Fwiw, the death penalty is both a punishment and a deterrent. The punishment is you’re put to death, the deterrent is you’re locked up till you die so you don’t have a chance to do it again.
Being on death row for 25 years is just plain stupid on so many levels. The cost, the endless appeals, no final closure for the victims families. However it’s the law. Don’t like it? Change it.
Anyone is capable of murder? In theory that’s true, in reality it’s not. I’ve seen people refuse to fire their weapon.
It is a fallacy that’s it’s easy to take a human life. Some can, some can’t.
And buy the way not being able to pull the trigger doesn’t make you a coward but it can make you dead.
I have great admiration for those who protect us, whether they be military or law informant.
[h=1]Duggar Dad's Political Platform: Incest Should Be Punishable by Death[/h]
But what does Jim Bob think of his own response to his son’s familial abuse? In a brief statement to People, Jim Bob and Michelle said last week that “that dark and difficult time caused us to seek God like never before.” Maybe that’s because Jim Bob publicly stated during his 2002 campaign for U.S. Senate that he thinks incest should be punishable by death.
Jim Bob’s platform on his campaign website—preserved via web cache—states that he believes “rape and incest represent heinous crimes and as such should be treated as capital crimes.” Jim Bob offered this belief to explain his position on abortion (only acceptable if both the mother and the baby were going to die anyway, of course):
But what does Jim Bob think of his own response to his son’s familial abuse? In a brief statement to People, Jim Bob and Michelle said last week that “that dark and difficult time caused us to seek God like never before.” Maybe that’s because Jim Bob publicly stated during his 2002 campaign for U.S. Senate that he thinks incest should be punishable by death.
Jim Bob’s platform on his campaign website—preserved via web cache—states that he believes “rape and incest represent heinous crimes and as such should be treated as capital crimes.” Jim Bob offered this belief to explain his position on abortion (only acceptable if both the mother and the baby were going to die anyway, of course):
When asked to elaborate within the context of his teenage son engaging in incesteous acts with his even younger daughters, Duggar grimly noted that, "Well my daughters would have to be executed first since it's their fault for inciting his molesting behavior. We have taught our children in the math class of their home school curriculum that it takes TWO to commit incest, so this is just another reason the whole thing is their fault and why it saddens me to endorse the execution of not only my son, but his sisters too.
Not that we will be slowed down with this whole 19 and Counting. My wife is ready, willing and spread legged upon my command and we will just make three new ones."
Not that we will be slowed down with this whole 19 and Counting. My wife is ready, willing and spread legged upon my command and we will just make three new ones."
How old is my son? I am thinking anyone 21-70 is dead. If my son is 15 or older and touches his 4 year old sister we go through normal channels. Recidivism rate is so high that I would have to go through the necessary steps, including law enforcement. If not someone will kill him in prison later in life because he would do it again.
Castration is the answer on these older pervs but ACLU won't allow it.
I have nightmares about this stuff and kidnapping. Don't know how parents that have had this happen cope
How the Duggar family’s over-the-top beliefs created an environment that fostered child sex abuse
The problem is not just individuals' willful ignorance -- it's a culture that blames victims and protects rapists
Jenny Kutner Follow
Several outlets have noted in the past week that the Duggar family has been outspoken in its support of Bill Gothard’s home-schooling program, which includes lessons on sexual assault that blame and shame victims for their “immodesty” and for contributing to their own abuse. (Gothard happens to be no stranger to problematic sexual behaviors; he was accused of sexually harassing his female employees last year.)
Mother Jones posted a sample of the sorts of lessons the Duggar family advocates, originally cited by blogger Samantha Field, and the takeaways for children are horrifying:
These lessons do not just teach girls and women to blame themselves. They teach boys and men to blame them as well. They reinforce the notion that men should be allowed to act violently with impunity. They erase the detriment of sexual violence and portray it as something else entirely — an accident, not a crime.
But there’s so much else going on here; the homeschooling lessons reveal only a small segment of an even more intricate, scarier belief system. The Quiverfull movement — to which the Duggars not only subscribe, but also support mightily on their now-shelved reality TV series — promotes exactly the sort of retrograde, misogynist ideas that allow sexual violence to flourish. Gawker has a handy guide to some of the movement’s basic principles, which taken together create a perfect storm for rape and sexual assault to occur, and then for the burden to fall squarely on female victims’ (modestly covered) shoulders. Via Gawker:
And so Josh Duggar, his wife and his parents have portrayed allegations of sexual assault within their own family as “mistakes.” He has “taken responsibility” for having “acted inexcusably” without taking the blame. What the response reveals isn’t necessarily individuals’ willful ignorance, though that is certainly part of the problem. Beyond that, though, there is the entire culture undergirding rape culture and victim-blaming, and the outcome is shaping up exactly as one would expect.
http://www.salon.com/2015/05/26/how...use/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
The problem is not just individuals' willful ignorance -- it's a culture that blames victims and protects rapists
Jenny Kutner Follow
Several outlets have noted in the past week that the Duggar family has been outspoken in its support of Bill Gothard’s home-schooling program, which includes lessons on sexual assault that blame and shame victims for their “immodesty” and for contributing to their own abuse. (Gothard happens to be no stranger to problematic sexual behaviors; he was accused of sexually harassing his female employees last year.)
Mother Jones posted a sample of the sorts of lessons the Duggar family advocates, originally cited by blogger Samantha Field, and the takeaways for children are horrifying:
These lessons do not just teach girls and women to blame themselves. They teach boys and men to blame them as well. They reinforce the notion that men should be allowed to act violently with impunity. They erase the detriment of sexual violence and portray it as something else entirely — an accident, not a crime.
But there’s so much else going on here; the homeschooling lessons reveal only a small segment of an even more intricate, scarier belief system. The Quiverfull movement — to which the Duggars not only subscribe, but also support mightily on their now-shelved reality TV series — promotes exactly the sort of retrograde, misogynist ideas that allow sexual violence to flourish. Gawker has a handy guide to some of the movement’s basic principles, which taken together create a perfect storm for rape and sexual assault to occur, and then for the burden to fall squarely on female victims’ (modestly covered) shoulders. Via Gawker:
On the surface, Quiverfull follows your typical radical evangelical principles—every word of the Bible is taken literally, traditional gender roles and “family values” are emphasized, and the secular world is alternately scorned and feared. But followers of Quiverfull take one key tenet and let it shape the rest of their beliefs: Birth control is evil. They want to have as many children as possible, in order to build a pint-sized fundamentalist Christian army. [...]
From the moment a Duggar in possession of a vagina is born or married into the family, she falls under the control of Christian Patriarchy. The wife is forever under the authority of her husband, and a daughter is completely subservient to her father until the day he finds a suitable husband to take up the role. The women of Quiverfull are never supposed to disobey their male authority figure, ever, even if it’s something they find immoral.
Women aren’t supposed to work outside the home, and if the father can’t find anyone for his daughter to court and marry, they have to live at home to take care of the other children. (Sorry, Jana Duggar.) College? What’s that? There’s no room for individuality for men or women when you’re immediately dictated into a role based on the kind of genitals you have.
And, as the guide notes, the belief in women’s complete subservience, along with the community’s promotion of isolation from the secular world, can make it extraordinarily difficult to address sexual assault. In addition to the likelihood that followers, especially women, are unable to report sexual violence, there’s almost an equally high chance that they’re bereft of the language for describing it. From the moment a Duggar in possession of a vagina is born or married into the family, she falls under the control of Christian Patriarchy. The wife is forever under the authority of her husband, and a daughter is completely subservient to her father until the day he finds a suitable husband to take up the role. The women of Quiverfull are never supposed to disobey their male authority figure, ever, even if it’s something they find immoral.
Women aren’t supposed to work outside the home, and if the father can’t find anyone for his daughter to court and marry, they have to live at home to take care of the other children. (Sorry, Jana Duggar.) College? What’s that? There’s no room for individuality for men or women when you’re immediately dictated into a role based on the kind of genitals you have.
And so Josh Duggar, his wife and his parents have portrayed allegations of sexual assault within their own family as “mistakes.” He has “taken responsibility” for having “acted inexcusably” without taking the blame. What the response reveals isn’t necessarily individuals’ willful ignorance, though that is certainly part of the problem. Beyond that, though, there is the entire culture undergirding rape culture and victim-blaming, and the outcome is shaping up exactly as one would expect.
http://www.salon.com/2015/05/26/how...use/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
You have to be doing this on purpose, no one can be this profoundly ignorant. You do realize that you are indicting an entire region with these ridiculous comments.
Look in the mirror man, that is what a bigot looks like. These comments and other ones made in the past are those of a very narrow minded individual, the same behavior that you accuse others...
