For Everyone Defending WSEX please read this

[crudebar]

EGD,

man i don't understand this at all, where does the line end to how much a player owes a sportsbook?

he can't call in because they are closed, he likes a game, so keeps betting it, and the book keeps excepting it?

how does he no wether or not the opposite side is getting bet big?

in the movie "the gambler" the guy gets to bet 50k on the opposite side without a line change, because everyone else is on the other side.

the guy did nothing wrong, wsex is wrong, end of story.

 

[FatFrank]

EGDream,

>he clearly had intentions.

No doubt... Maybe he was scalping or it was a desperate move by a degenerate gambler...???

But WSEX took his bets and it was a fair number. Why doesnt WSEX have a stated MAX LIMIT on soccer? They left themselves open for this play.

 

[timbo37]

For everyone that says revere14 took a shot, he had the $ up front in his account and risked it. Previous betting "patterns" are irrelevant.

 

[crudebar]

he did not take a shot at all, he was the one that it turned out had everything to lose and very, very, very little to again.

wsex took the shot, with the exact opposite of the player.

how anyone thinks the player took the shot i don't no

 

[EveryGamblersDream]

I am going by the facts presented here. I never said the man shouldn't get paid. I said he should get paid on the first $500 & another $500 at an adjusted price since that was his previous betting pattern. The same betting pattern that some of you requested be looked at to determine the easiest solution.

He knew he could get away with the first $1000, anything above that was intentionally trying to take a shot.

They should list a max for soccer but common sense is the fact the book like alot of others caters to the major N. American sports. Their highest posted limit is $20,000 & that is on the NFL, how can anyone sit here & think they would take double that on a soccer game!

 

[TheGeneral+]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> For everyone that says revere14 took a shot, he had the $ up front in his account and risked it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

On a +120 Dog. He even gave the book the favorite

If he wasn't in the know, he has some sack that's for sure. When he did make the wager, shot or not, he did not have an unfair advantage by any means.

Like I said earlier though, I would have recorded a phone call myself for a 40K bet, but 40K to me is a lot different than to this player most likely.

 

[DickyW]

"The player's past soccer history shows that the player picks games he likes and keeps playing them as long as WSEX offers a line he likes"

LMAO keep them coming Java!! His incredible past history (twice before)shows he like to play a game for a nickle at one price and another at an ajusted price. What his past history does'nt show is making 80+ bets totaling 40k at NO ajustment!!

"The other situations probably occurred during normal business hours, so are not that relevant"

Pass what ever your smoking my way!!! NOT THAT RELEVENT???? Are you serious? he bets a dime each during business hours and 40k at 4:00am and it's not relevant

Keep going buddy your helping my arguement with each post

 

[BEANTOWNJIM]

EGD YOU WANT TO GIVE THIS MAN 1000 DOLLARS ON A 40 THOUSAND DOLLAR WAGER GO F-CK YOURSELF YOU ****ING CROOKS.YOU AND STEVE NEVER WOULD HAVE REFUNDED THIS MANS ACCOUNT 39,500 DOLLARS IF HIS GAME LOST YOU RAT BASTARDS

 

[EveryGamblersDream]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BEANTOWNJIM:
EGD YOU WANT TO GIVE THIS MAN 1000 DOLLARS ON A 40 THOUSAND DOLLAR WAGER GO F-CK YOURSELF YOU ****ING CROOKS.YOU AND STEVE NEVER WOULD HAVE REFUNDED THIS MANS ACCOUNT 39,500 DOLLARS IF HIS GAME LOST YOU RAT BASTARDS<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You of all people need to shut the hell up. Atleast the people Dicky & I are debating with, present their points in a calm & respectful manner.

On the other hand we have you, the tool who is still crying over $660 on a bet on your own home town team in which you didn't know what time their games tipped, yeah ok

 

[wilheim]

I want to go on record and say I am in no way a bookie or a clerk, and do not work for any book. I have in the past, as a lot of gamblers have dabbled in bookmaking at one time or another. I am talking on a small time basis in the 1980's. Does that make me pro-bookie today, I do not think so. My problem with Revere is he OBVIOUSLY knew what he was doing was wrong. My problem with WSEX is why not just have one of "the girls" start the cancellation process immediately. Lets face it every time there is a book versus player debate here, we more or less get the same posters defending their particular feelings, pro player or probook. In my case it is anti-cheat. I will say it again if this guy had done this the right way he would not have had to post anything. Think about it do you think he logged on yesterday morning with the sole purpose of betting 40 dimes on Manchester at plus 120? Of course he did not, he realised that the software would let him keep betting without a line change so he took advantage of the situation. The fact that he bet his whole balance is proof. Most of you will bet or swear that there is no way WSEX would not have refunded his money if he lost. Maybe you are right, but there is know real way to know what they would have done if Manchester had lost. Just saying come on you know they keep the money is not good enough. IMO when you do the right thing you don't end up in these jackpots. Revere brought this on himself, and should admit he knew what he was doing was way out of line. WSEX needs to explain how he (Revere) was protected against not getting a refund if he lost. There is the case in a nutshell.

wil.

 

[FatFrank]

>He knew he could get away with the first
>$1000, anything above that was intentionally
>trying to take a shot.

I'm not an ANTI-BOOK poster... I took Odds-Ends side with their problem (1st half and side correlation) and I took RIO's side in SG's escapade.

BUT...

I dont get the lingo "get away with" or "taking a shot"

The man was using his post-up $$$ on ONE SIDE that was a 3 way bet!!!!

Good god! If anyone was taking a shot it was WSEX.

 

[docdekay]

FF
EXACTLY!

 

[crudebar]

wilheim.

i agree with you, if wsex had cancled before game time, or even when the other team was up 1-0, but they didn't.

also read the first post in this thread, and tell me if you do or don't agree with it. thanks

 

[BEANTOWNJIM]

HOW WOULD WSEX HAVE GRADED MY PLAY MR. KNOW IT ALL.WOULD YOU AND STEVE HAVE DONE THE SAMETHING LENNY DID WATCH THE GAME THEN SAY YOU HAVE ACTION WHEN IT LOSES.OH I FORGOT YOU ALREADY DID THE SAMETHING TO REVERE MAN DO YOURSELF A FAVOR EVERYGAMBLERSDREAM GO BACK AND GET YOUR G.E.D BECAUSE YOU ARE EMBARRASSING THE SH-T OUT OF WSEX.GO TALK TO STEVE BEFORE YOU BLOW THE CASE FOR WSEX YOU MORON.WE NEVER SAID REVERE WONT GET PAID WE ARE WILLING TO GIVE HIM 1000 HE-HE-HE

 

[EveryGamblersDream]

FF:

I am not pro player or pro sportsbook as I've defended both sides. I defended areff in his battle with CBS which lead me to stop playing there & I've defended books in cases against SG & this one.

I just think R14 knew what he was doing when he sat there & placed over 100 bets on a said game. I've been known to love a game & play it over & over again at different prices but not once have I ever sat here & played over 100 times on the same game.

He probably saw the fact that the line never changed when he was betting so he kept on doing it. I mean this game was no lock so I seriously doubt he originally intended to put up his whole account on the game.

 

[FatFrank]

Very early in this I wrote "If *I* was placing a wager of that amount... I would have to have a call in (phone) wager and have it OKed by a manager." I still say that but I dont see where R14 broke any rules...

A good line (he is not responsible to move it)

Broke no *established* limit

Bets are in way before start time

WSEX booked *ALL* of his bets

WSEX canceled bets after the fact

WSEX should pay.

I think the sticking point is the amount of $$$ involved. If it was 4,400 and met the above criteria most all would say "pay him."

 

[wilheim]

In all honesty I would take the players side if the situation was reveresed as in your post. Why, because I go by the rule if you can't WIN, then you don't have to PAY. All of the old-time bookmakers know what I mean. A player has to have a chance to collect in order to be liable to lose. Naturally you will say WSEX would just have kept the money and told the player tuffshit. That may or may not be correct, the problem is we will never know, only assume.

wil.

 

[EveryGamblersDream]

I can see where you are coming from FF but I just go back to the laws of common sense. If you know the book caters to N. American sports like WSEX does & their highest posted limit on a big N. American sport (NFL game side) is $20,000 then how can one expect this same book to take $40,000 on a soccer game.

 

[crudebar]

wilheim,

you would really take the players side, if he came in here, saying he bet 40 dimes on soccor and lost.

and his argument was that wsex should refund it because the juice never changed, and 40 dimes was over wsex's limit.

 

[FatFrank]

>how can one expect this same book to
>take $40,000 on a soccer game.

I personally wouldnt expect them to. WSEX is not a rookie book and shouldnt be in this situation and I HAVE to believe there is a reason they have NO MAX LIMIT listed for soccer.