Fezzik likes the Kansas game 'under' (A LOT)

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I see the criticism, and I can certainly take it since it is more than valid.

What is interesting on this game, is how confidant I was that I had the "right" side. No opposition ever appeared. When I submitted my article the line was a solid 154.5 and 155. So I do take exception to the fact that I'm being called a "follower" on this one after the line move. I actually felt the line would inflate. So I'd say I was 0-2 blowing both the game and the line move prediction.

I've made it preety clear in all my posts/articles that the best one can hope for is 55-56% ATS in major sports. So, I don't think it is fair to say I called this game "a lock" or a "65%" type game.

I did my homework and analysis the best I could. I conferred with other winning bettors and they agreed with the analysis on the game.

What can I say? I (we) called the game totally wrong, and lost $5,000 on it. What can you do, but move on and try to learn from the experience.

Don't tell me that all of you have never had a game you really liked that lost by 20 points? It's certainly troubling but it does happen.

PS. How about that Illinois/Duke game? This is a classic game where I would argue that every sharp Vegas bettor was faced with a minefield. The offshore line was 6.5. Vegas had several 7.5 all over the place. I'd argue strongly that even if you had no opinion on the game, a plus 7.5 big bet was the "basic strategy" way to go. People will disagree with me, but the bottom line is that if the sharpest offshore have the game 6.5, and you can pick off 7.5s on dogs vs. ulta public teams, you are are going to sail along hitting 54% plus ATS.

Whoops, looks like another Fezzik loser. One wonders how I stay in business! Yet add it up at year-end and I (and all the sharps I know) all wind up on the winning end. And we will all be firing on Bama +9.5 tomorrow if we get it, with no reservations.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> If you guys are so much sharper than him, why didn't you make a point about it BEFORE the game??? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Are my posts invisible or something?
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People are starting to see what is going on. Syndicates win money because the sucker masses lose it. If the suckers weren't losing the insiders wouldn't be making all the money that they are (or the bookies would end up bankrupt). The insiders control the media outlets where (dis)information is disseminated, from the sports forums all the way up to ESPN itself. They steer the suckers to the wrong side so that they can get the number they want on the right side and pound it. They don't owe you a damn thing and the sooner you use your own brains and stop with the hero worship the better off you'll be.

And yes... I'm very paranoid. It's a gift... how else do you think I can figure this stuff out?
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Banned4life, I give you Kudos for original thought, but you are drawing a ridiculous Simpleton conclusion from a complex issue.

UNQUESTIONABLY, numerous lines moves are

1) False fakes and
2) Based on scamdicapper plays that stink or
3) Based on media reports what have nothing to do with the ATS chance of a team.

However, there are also NUMEROUS valid line moves by hard working handicappers.

Grand Rapids went from +15.5 to +14. Looks like the scamdicappers got that one right. The same for MEmphis from -5 to -6. SWISH. Sea from -4.5 to -6.5. Wine and dine the twine some more. Orlando's qb is likely not going to start. Vegas goes from -2 to -3.5. ETc. Never mind that "who will punt more line" on the OAk/TB SB last year that opened TB +2.5. If you were running a book, no doubt you would see the line go to 1.5 everywhere else and chuckle at the "scamdicappers and followers". DOH!!!

Bottom line, I don't appreciate your implying that I wrote an article to "zig" when I actually was looking to "zag". I can handle being told I'm wrong. I cannot handle you or anyone else serving up mindless drivel in a post that simultaneously questions my integrity.

If you are so convinced line moves based on prfessional recommendations are all bogus, then feel free to fade all 4 point line moves in the future and make your millions and millions and millions since these will all be 60% plays for you.

Guess what? You will find you win about 52% of the time. And the followers getting the "bad" adjusted number after the full line move will win 48%. They will get killed, but you won't win. And the insider and "sharp" followers getting in on the Vegas -1.5 bets are going to sail along winning.

Ps. Paranoid is good. But based on your posts, your game is not nearly as strong as you think it is. Just my opinion.
 

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I respect Fezzik, in that he puts his money on the line and also he gives a solid analysis of his picks. A lot of naysayers will shout and scream because he got buried with this pick, but I'm sure we have all made a few picks we regret.
In the end, we are all judged by our wallets getting fatter or thinner with our picks.
So Fezzik and others that give us sound advice and picks, just keep on keeping on.
 

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Illinois/Duke Under Cashed Nicely after the total moved from 140 to 148.5...

Fezzik, are you saying that Betting against the Move Blindly will net you 52%? Is this move's of 3 or more points? or how many?
 

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I read the article, and I believed that most likely the game would go over unless Kansas in fact would slow the pace. Not sure why Fezzik believed that Kansas would attempt to slow the pace.
 

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I am much more interested in following posters that are correct 95% or more of the time on which way the line is moving, MUCH more than any handicappers off the wall selections.

Thanks Fezzhead!

To me, this was a HUGE WINNER you had!
 

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This is exactly why I would never post a play on this site. People like Banned for life add zero to this board and just take up space here in between watching Judge judy and reading the National Enquirer.
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I agree with Fezzik alot in his point about the dog and under being the default right side on any huge nationally televised games,

and anything on top of what the lines guy opened with automatically qualifies it for the long hard look catagory.
 

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Sport Savant saves the thread by asking a great question. How do we handle three point plus huge line moves.

In general, I personally look to get on a
"steam" game like this provided I can grab it early and get a stale number that in general is 1 point better than what the sharpest books are dealing. However, I also look to shop around when the line move has run its' course, and try to grab the best number from a book that has overreacted. In general, I feel the closing number in these games tends to have been over adjusted........too many followers pushing the number too far.

Basic Strategy: Aggressively fade line moves on public favorites. MNF. The Rams go from -8 to -10 on Monday. No injury reports come out explaining this. Load the muskets and prepare to fire on the Arizona Cardinals.

Basic Strategy 2: Avoid playing on dropping favorites. Nebraska is minus 27 vs. Iowa State. The game drops to minus 25 on College Game Day. NO THANK YOU for me to any Nebraska value. I've found steam on non public dogs to be the one line move that seems to cover over 50% even against the closing number.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> However, there are also NUMEROUS valid line moves by hard working handicappers.
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And you'll rarely see them plastered all over the internet. These guys tend to keep their mouths shut.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Grand Rapids went from +15.5 to +14. Looks like the scamdicappers got that one right. The same for MEmphis from -5 to -6. SWISH. Sea from -4.5 to -6.5. Wine and dine the twine some more. Orlando's qb is likely not going to start. Vegas goes from -2 to -3.5. ETc. Never mind that "who will punt more line" on the OAk/TB SB last year that opened TB +2.5. If you were running a book, no doubt you would see the line go to 1.5 everywhere else and chuckle at the "scamdicappers and followers". DOH!!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

But none of these other line moves was caused by a professional handicapper with a solid reputation releasing it to the public. You have a lot of power to move the lines. After all, you're the expert, and you thought the line would drift UP. Do you have any explanation why it moved four points DOWN, other than because Fezzik the Internet Tout started a stampede. You know that 15 minutes after you posted that column the whole internet picked it up and pounded it.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Bottom line, I don't appreciate your implying that I wrote an article to "zig" when I actually was looking to "zag". I can handle being told I'm wrong. I cannot handle you or anyone else serving up mindless drivel in a post that simultaneously questions my integrity. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Weren't you the same Fezzik who worked over at SSB, where anyone posting a kernal of useful information is flamed-up for "taking money out of professional gamblers' pockets" and "educating the squares"?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> If you are so convinced line moves based on prfessional recommendations are all bogus, then feel free to fade all 4 point line moves in the future and make your millions and millions and millions since these will all be 60% plays for you. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Better yet, I'll just fade those 4 point line moves that were caused by you picking it.

But you missed the whole point of what I'm saying. I laugh at these clowns who follow Billy Walters around waiting for him to shit on the floor so they can pick a seed out of his dump. If they spent half the effort they expend wiping Billy Walter's ass for a hot tip on a game and directed that effort into working to make themselves better handicappers, they'd be a lot better off.
 

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Quite simply, you don't know what you are talking about in regards to the line movement on this game. If you think my article can move a line 3.5 points, I've got some swampland to sell you.

When I submitted it the line was 154.5 and 155. By the time it was printed the line was down to 152.5 to 154. It already was free falling.

Conspiracy theorists will no doubt believe rx.com editors went out chunk betting it, "Knowing" the line would move 3.5 points.

In regards to the Walters move, I hate to say it but you are spot on with your analysis. I agree with you 100%, and I liked your desciption of his defication being scooped up by suckers. Good work there.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I laugh at these clowns who follow Billy Walters around waiting for him to shit on the floor so they can pick a seed out of his dump. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Now there is a visual we could all do without.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lurkerforages:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I laugh at these clowns who follow Billy Walters around waiting for him to shit on the floor so they can pick a seed out of his dump. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Now there is a visual we could all do without.
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Well said...

If you are a FOLLOWER of BW and take the line after the move, you will end definitely end up a loser in COLLEGE HOOPS...

The same cannot be said with as much certainty regarding COLLEGE FOOTBALL..

The reason has to do with the fact that variations of 1-2 points in hoops is much more dramatic than variations of 1-2 points in Football, excpet of course, with the number 3 and 7 in Foots...

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I dunno I like reading Fez' stuff but it is bad either way of course. Should've known?!?!?! maybe, honestly? what sort of reaction did you expect pandering to the sheep?
 

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I had Illinois myself, but its kind of an insult to real handicappers to say this game will cover becasue the public likes the other side.
 

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as I sit here in front of my pc I am wondering how one is able to point out BW line moves........someone answer this ? please....Fezzik are you there? Shrink?...I am not a follower, but i am curious as to how people can point out his moves by looking at the screen. thanks "BW type of moves"
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BWs "whacks" the screen immediately. His bets are very distinguishable from, say, Doc putting out a big 10 game of the year.

Billy's big bets take out the screen all in 1-3 minutes. And the sharpest books often knee jerk moving things like baseball lines 15 cents immediately, instead of incrementally.

Big game releases by hand(scam)dicappers have a delayed reaction. The volume from squarer bettors adds up, and the numbers get taken out but it takes some time. The money is being bet but by a bunch of independent losing bettors vs. a well capitalized group of wolves attacking in a pack.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fezzik:
Big game releases by hand(scam)dicappers have a delayed reaction. The volume from squarer bettors adds up, and the numbers get taken out but it takes some time. The money is being bet but by a bunch of independent losing bettors vs. a well capitalized group of wolves attacking in a pack.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Very well put. Hey keep the articles coming....

Best of luck..............
 

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