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i know your focus is the s&p 500 futures, but do you do anything with the other futures (s&p midcap 400, russell 2000 etc)?

i see that there are differences in tick value from .10 to .50 & it seems like s&p 500 is the most popular, but was just wondering if there were any others reasons that kept you from trading with with the others.

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the emini offers everything that u could want or need in a market... its by far the most popular..... over 3 million contracts changed hands last friday, as compared to a volume of 33 in the sp 400 midcap...

i know you may not know what im talking about but in the past ive traded cotton and orange juice (as an example)... you would have your stoplosses in and they would blow thru them and fill you with a much bigger loss than you had expected...

with the emini, there is no slippage, thats one reason why everyone trades it........... its 1/5 the size of the big SP contract but carries way more volume in its trading.....

i have a list of things that ive traded above but found i could get all of that and more with the emini.. i could write a small book on grain trading. i do like what trading options has to offer, with both the buying and selling of options but that is another different world.......

when your browsing the other markets (and i encourage you to do that), check their volume.......... if your interested in any other markets, let me know and ill see if i can help.....

newbies sometime start out buying options in markets such as the grains or meats or softs....

first trade i ever made was in Oct of 1996......... i think i bought a Nov OJ call option for $700.............. i held it 11 days and sold it for $1100.... after that i was hooked.............

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the emini is trading tonight... i thought they may, i think crude oil and metals may be trading as well...

there will be no big board tomorrow, so the stock market is closed..... there is a selloff underway in the futures market tonight, so the market didnt initally react well to the passing of the stimulus pakcage...

no trading for me until tuesday, just thought id post this, in case any of you that are interested, had the quotes pulled up...

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nothing like taking off for a few days...

several of you have expressed interest in learning to trade.... im glad that you did, i dont mean to discourage anyone. i love to discuss it so feel free to ask any questions that you may have... if i cant answer them, my broker probably can...

Let me lay this out for you (my situation)....

I own a convenience store, i work 7 days each week, always from (4:00 am cst) to about (7:45 am cst) or maybe (8:00 am cst)..... i will not be available during those hours....

this is a big reason, that i still use a real live broker and dont trade online. i monitor the markets at all times, whether by watching cnbc or using delayed quotes on my cell phone.... or my broker simply babysits the trades for me... and yes this service cost me in comm price.... that is something that ill be working on in the future... however, for now im willing to pay him to watch it for me, when i cant..... when im at home and trading, i have live quotes....... Live quotes is something that you will need, most firms will provide them for you, if your trading with them...

there is a huge difference in online trading and broker assisted trading... before you trade online for yourself, you better know what your doing,,,, one mistake can wipe you out....... a buy, when you meant to sell, a market order instead of limit order.... if you make a mistake, its your fault.. not trying to scare you, just want you to know what to expect.

this is not like buying 100 shares of walmart and selling them later in the day... this is a fast paced game for professionals.... if you go into this, you must know what your doing and have a plan....... i can help you with the plan (the trades), i cant help you in placing your orders.... realize the market can and will do what it wants to do and its always right...


i highly suggest that you find a service that you want to work with... there are many out there... learn the basics of how to make trades, by setting up a demo account and practicing.. i dont know what kind of money that you will need to start... each house is different... i can tell you that day trading margin is much smaller than overnight margin... most places require about $1000 to daytrade the emini (thats per contract traded)..... the overnight margin is around $5000... these figures can change at any time....

ill say this again, i have traded at the same place for 12yrs now.... i know exactly what im doing and am aware of market situations at all times... i also know how to bend the rules somewhat now... i can tell you about those things later.... mostly i can beat margin requirements, where i trade.

just bored this morning, so ive rambled...

if you need my help, just let me know what your looking at or thinking about...

ill be right here online tomorrow morning (if nothing happens) to set up my real trades.... you will need to be able to see the emini to know what im referring to and talking about... cnbc runs the futures price all morning, until the big board opens at (8:30 am cst) then they will switch to a cash price listing... our emini price will be just a few points behind the cash price......... example cnbc may show the sp 500 at 820.00....... our emini is probably trading at about 817.50 at that time...... this is a way for you to know where we are at.... you can also pull up delayed quotes, at several places on the internet... one place is (tfc free commodity charts) they have delayed quotes and charts that i still use from time to time... i actually use the daily chart to see the high and low of various moves...

i cannot give you live quotes, i dont think anyone except your trading house can but if you do what i just said, you can get an idea of where the market is at,,,,,,,,,, and exactly what im looking at...

im really focused on my "Short Term Trading" system right now.... i get the setup each morning, somewhere between say (7:00 am cst) up until (8:30-9:00 am cst)... i can not tell you the exact time or the exact entry on the trade, until we get into the trading day........... i can see the setup and can post it ahead of time or pass along the info ahead of time or in real time............ when im right on my trade, it should only last minutes, then i collect the profits and walk away for the day (from this method)... when i get a win, that is it, i only get one shot.............. as ive stated before, this is a 2 sided trade system, so ill have 2 orders working, if the first is hit and is a winner, thats it for the day... ill cancel the other order.. if the trade is a loser (and they happen), ill leave the other side working... it may or may not get hit that day but ill leave it working.. this is only for my short term trading system and has nothing to do with my other system, which is longer term and a little more complicated... if im right on this one, ill probably walk from everything else i do,,, i mean everything.... all i need to do is hold a (5:1) ratio of wins to losses, i probably could make it work on a (4:1)......... then simply add to the contracts that i trade each day...

sorry for the rambling, if you dont understand something, ask and ill try and clear it up..

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looks like you guys can take a look at "Infinity Futures"....

i checked them out and liked what i saw..

spoke to a broker and its ($3,000) to open an account with them, $500 day trade margin....... less than $5rt comm...

so all those things sound good....

if your interested, id check out their site... i dont trade there and have no affiliation with them but may in the future...

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thanx for your posts this morning SSI.

i have a scottrade account & was starting to check it out for emini trading & they don't offer it, so i'll be looking to open an account elsewhere when the time comes.

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check out the Infinity Futures site......

you can download their demo program and be ready to Paper Trade for 30 days..

this could be what you need to further advance your education...

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SSI:

in your post this a.m. you say that you're focused on a short term trading system. is that the same as break out trading or a totally different thing?

i still have tons of work to do on terms & definitions ...

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hey no problem

my (short term system) resembles a breakout.. thats all i meant by that.. its not really... im only trading to make (+2.75pts), so thats not a breakout...

ive got to go out for several hours, back either this evening or tomorrow morning..

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no problem mam...

hopefully the setup comes at (7:45 am or later), as i cant make it online until then...

nice little selloff still underway tonight...

806.00 low, 806.75 last...

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thats because im from the south..


now lets quickly get to this, as my trade was hit 4 minutes ago and my trade is going right now..

sell at 801.25, profit target at 798.50


sorry i didnt get here ahead of time to post everything but thats the way it happens sometimes...

i entered the trade at 7:30 am cst...

i have a stoploss at 806.25,,,,, 6pts of risk...

lets see what happens... low is now 799.00 and last trade was 801.50..

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side note, Nick (my broker) is out of the office today, as his dad is in town from florida...

if someone calls the number to speak with him, you will get the main office in chicago for RJ Obrien.....

they are there to execute his trades but not to talk shop today, so wait until Nick returns, if you need to speak with him..

last trade 801.50, low still at 799.00... im looking for 798.50 to exit, so close but no cigar yet...

trade is now approximate 7-8 minutes old, as i entered about (7:33 am cst)..

later..

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im now about 16min into the trade, last trade 799.75.... need just a little push lower to hit the profit target at 798.50...

i will tell you this, the longer the trade goes, the worse it is for me.... big board opening in 40 more minutes...

nothing to do now but sit....

this system is: 7-1 and my whole premise of HUGE success, lies on a 5:1 ratio, over the long term...

i can make it on 4:1 but 5:1 and im on easy street..

enough rambling, ill update later....

i also may begin to discuss the (13pt system) that i also use....

oh yeah and the nba is back tonight..

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there it is.... out at exactly (7:56 am cst), so trade lasted roughly 23 minutes..

and a clear profit of ($137.50) per contract traded (- comm)....

brings my short term system to: 8-1 (+16pts) in the last 9 trading days..

now i am finished with this and must go do a few errands... wasnt that easy....

ill post the nba later today,,,

i know were on (knicks under game 4), (wiz Under game 4) (det Under game 1)..

short term system is over until tomorrow, all orders canceled... if i have time, ill discuss my other system later today..

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I'm still struggling with the concept of margins. Let's say you only traded 1 contract for this deal. What amount of funds would you need in your account to cover the margins?

I've read $500 day trading margins at Infinity but the rules on the CME say $6188.

Any insight would be great. I have a good hold on the basics, but I'm holding off on funding my account until i get a better idea of how this piece works. I don't want to drop $2K into an account and have one bad day mean i'm done.

Also guys - check this guy out. http://www.daytradetowin.com/

Pretty salesy - but he posts vids of his trades and has his history of performance posted. Seems like a solid short term system. Read the free 1-3 chapters of his ebook for those still learning the basics. Also, If a few want to go in to buy the whole thing i'd be game.
 

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