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Whatever you decide to do, tread lightly. But I can assure you that while I spend dozens of hours each week handicapping the following Sunday’s games I won’t be spending more than a couple hours working on this week’s card. There is no point. Because Week 17 is like quicksand; the more you struggle against it and the more you try to outthink it the worse off you are going to end up.
With that in mind, here is my “resting my starters for the playoffs” version of Doc’s Sports NFL Power Rankings.
1. New England Patriots (13-2) – Even though this team has “nothing to play for,” would you be stunned if Bill Belichick left all of his starters in and just buried the Dolphins just for the fun of it? I wouldn’t.

2. New Orleans Saints (11-4) – If you ask me, this team is in the toughest spot. They have a tiny shot at the No. 1 overall seed and that is a big enough carrot to get them to come to play in this game. But at the same time, they are in a letdown spot against a precocious team that has revenge. I’m sure most of the Saints regulars would rather just rest up for next week. But, again, they have to prep for things just in case Carolina pulls the upset. It’s just a tough motivational situation for this team.
3. Baltimore Ravens (11-4) – If the Ravens don’t beat the Bengals and get some help from Cleveland then they could be on a collision course with the Patriots. And after all of the trash they have had to talk about the Pats this year I would like nothing more than to see that matchup.
4. Pittsburgh Steelers (11-4) – The Steelers dominated the first meeting with the Browns at Heinz Field, 28-10, and they have absolutely owned Cleveland for the past decade. This is a critical game for the Steelers. They are just 2-4 this year against teams with winning records and they definitely need a home game and a bye. Their average margin of victory in their last nine wins over Cleveland is 17.9 points. But four of the last 10 matchups would have fallen within this number for the Browns.
5. Atlanta Falcons (12-3) – I actually thought that the line on the Carolina-Atlanta game was a little short at 14.5. The line should be 16.5 or 17.0 because the books have to know that every swinging dick with a pick is going to be getting on the Falcons. Atlanta is in a letdown spot. And they manhandled Carolina so easily in the last game that they could completely take this one for granted. But even if they did, I still think Carolina is awful enough to lose by three touchdowns.
6. Philadelphia Eagles (10-5) – Losing to the Vikings definitely isn’t a positive for this team, which will now have to play three games in 12 days. But they at least get a chance to rest their starters this week without repercussion or concern about “losing their edge”. Mike Vick is going to sit this week. But if they do have the offensive starters in don’t overlook just how good Kevin Kolb is.
7. Green Bay Packers (9-6) – I was hoping the Bears would still have to play this game straight up for a shot at the No. 2 seed. Green Bay is a team picking up steam right now. They also have revenge for a B.S. game at Chicago this year where they outplayed the Bears but lost.
8. Chicago Bears (11-4) – I know that Lovie Smith has said he wants to play all of his starters this week. I actually think that would be a great idea and beneficial to this team. They have a shot to knock the Packers out of the playoffs and I think they should take a stab at it. Also, they have a week off so if they mail this game in it will have been three weeks in between games they had to get “up” for. We’ve seen in the past that most teams don’t respond well to that.
9. New York Jets (10-5) – There is backing into the playoffs and then there is what the Jets are doing. I can’t tell anymore if this team is overrated or underachieving.
10. Indianapolis Colts (9-6) – I know everyone is just kind of writing this team off right now because of their struggles. But they are getting healthy and they still have the best player in the NFL under center. Beware the Colts. Remember: the year they won it all they did so as a team that had to win four games.
11. Kansas City Chiefs (10-5) – This right here is the tragedy of Week 17. The Chiefs have a legit revenge spot in this game for their stunning loss in Oakland earlier in the season and this is a situation where the Chiefs would have just demolished the visitors.
12. San Diego Chargers (8-7) – This team is the epitome of Week 17 NFL handicapping. Are they going to mail it in? Are they going to quit because their season ends after Sunday? Or are they going to want to lay into a division rival? Your guess is as good as mine.
13. New York Giants (9-6) – Eventually, if you are a playoff-caliber team you have to beat some winning teams. The Giants haven’t done that the last two years.
14. Jacksonville Jaguars (8-7) – David Garrard is out and Trend Edwards is in this week. And I don’t know if there is a more crestfallen team playing this week. Just about 12 days ago they were headed to Indianapolis with a shot at clinching the AFC South title. Now they are virtually eliminated.
15. Oakland Raiders (7-8) – The visitor is 19-7-1 ATS in the Chiefs-Raiders series and the underdog is a perfect 7-0 ATS in the last seven meetings. The Chiefs have next to nothing to play for this weekend and I can see both teams just kind of going through the motions.
16. Miami Dolphins (7-8) – I think it is ridiculous to suggest that Tony Sparano be fired after this season. I 100 percent pegged this team in August because they were obvious. They were too young and lacked the depth to hold up against the absolutely killer schedule they had to play. If you ask me, 8-8 would be a major accomplishment for this team with this schedule.
17. Tampa Bay Buccaneers (9-6) – It will be interesting to see if this young core can commit to the offseason and work to grow into something or if this team was just the beneficiaries of a lot of luck and a soft schedule. They are 10-1 ATS as a road underdog. But they did lose Aurrelius Benn to a torn knee. I wouldn’t expect him back for next season, either, because of the timing of the injury.
18. Washington Redskins (6-9) – I am still numb to this team. I think they could pull the outright upset this week against the Giants and love a play on them on the moneyline. But I have vowed to never again bet on Rex Grossman so I will be staying away from this game.
19. St. Louis Rams (7-8) – The Rams are not ready for primetime. But they are better than the Seahawks. They are actually 10-4 ATS overall and 4-0 ATS as a road favorite. But they are 1-6 ATS in the last seven against the Seahawks and just 1-4 ATS in their last five trips to Qwest.
20. Houston Texans (5-10) – Time to blow this team up and start over. They need a new philosophy. And here’s a hit: let’s maybe start in the secondary. You know, that group of players you have ignored for a decade.
21. Dallas Cowboys (5-10) – Last week’s loss due to a missed extra point completed Incompetent Football Bingo for the Cowboys. They were big winners in that game this year. This team will never accomplish anything meaningful as long as they are PR machine first and a football team second.
22. Cleveland Browns (5-10) – I have no idea what justification could be given for bringing Eric Mangini back. Those wins over New Orleans and New England were flukes and this team is that close to having the No. 2 pick in the draft.
23. Minnesota Vikings (6-9) – Thank you, Joe Webb. However, anyone that thinks that he is a realistic option for next year has got to be joking. The window is closed and I am interested to see how this team gets broken up in the offseason.
24. San Francisco 49ers (5-10) – Good riddance, Mike Singletary. That was an embarrassment. This team still needs some work. But they could be set up for a Year After bump. They were the “it” team heading into this season. They could get forgotten about heading into next year. But a new quarterback and a new coach could inject some new life and they could take a step forward.
25. Tennessee Titans (6-9) – After watching the Titans and Jeff Fisher mail it in last week why wouldn’t we expect the same this week?
26. Seattle Seahawks (6-9) – Charlie Whitehurst seemed like a good idea to someone, eh? If this team wins and makes the playoffs they will be the worst playoff team of all time. I am not one for making those types of outrageous, ESPN-style claims. But in this instance it would be applicable.
27. Buffalo Bills (4-11) – The Bills are Charlie Brown and the Patriots are Lucy.
28. Detroit Lions (5-10) – I have no idea why they wouldn’t bring back Jim Schwartz. I also have no idea why they would bring back Gunther Cunningham. That guy has been a loser in every stop he’s taken.
29. Arizona Cardinals (5-10) – The Kurt Warner Era is what we call “an anomaly”. It really didn’t take long for this team to revert back to one of the worst in the league. But then again, outside of one three-game stretch in 2008-09 were they ever really that good?
30. Cincinnati Bengals (4-11) – It looks like the Bengals will be without both Terrell Owens and Chad Johnson this week due to injury. The Bengals are 9-3 ATS in the last 12 meetings with Baltimore but I think that this team will be set to mail it in after doing their “spoiler” damage last week to San Diego.
31. Denver Broncos (4-11) – I have no interest in Tebow Mania. I am really unmoved either way. I do know that playing with/for him gives the Broncos an excuse not to mail it in.
32. Carolina Panthers (2-13) – The books have been overvaluing Carolina all year, as indicated by their 2-7 ATS bumbling through the last two months. I don’t think people get just how awful this team is.
Robert Ferringo is a writer and a professional sports handicapper for Doc’s Sports.
 

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Whatever you decide to do, tread lightly. But I can assure you that while I spend dozens of hours each week handicapping the following Sunday’s games I won’t be spending more than a couple hours working on this week’s card. There is no point. Because Week 17 is like quicksand; the more you struggle against it and the more you try to outthink it the worse off you are going to end up.

Ace, with that being said is there any chance you might put together a 3 team 10 point teaser for those of us who want to protect our bankroll this week but still have a little something on the games just for a little action?

Thanks, Good Luck and as always...
 

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Whatever you decide to do, tread lightly. But I can assure you that while I spend dozens of hours each week handicapping the following Sunday’s games I won’t be spending more than a couple hours working on this week’s card. There is no point. Because Week 17 is like quicksand; the more you struggle against it and the more you try to outthink it the worse off you are going to end up.

Ace, with that being said is there any chance you might put together a 3 team 10 point teaser for those of us who want to protect our bankroll this week but still have a little something on the games just for a little action?

Thanks, Good Luck and as always...


this is not a week to do a 3 team teasters!...I will send you a e-mail
 

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This is just wrong. Chicago can still earn the #1 seed in the NFC with a win. They will be playing, you never want to let a rival into the playoffs.

Ace,

Last Sunday Lovey Smith says on nat'l tv that he will not rest his starters and wants to "kick GB's azz." ect........
Would think Atlanta will beat Carolina to earn the #1 seed.
Was thinking GB would be favored at home (both teams at full strength) by 3-4 points.
But the line is 10??? Fair to presume that Lovey Smith has changed his mind and will now rest a good chunk of his starters especially at QB and RB?
 

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Ace,

Last Sunday Lovey Smith says on nat'l tv that he will not rest his starters and wants to "kick GB's azz." ect........
Would think Atlanta will beat Carolina to earn the #1 seed.
Was thinking GB would be favored at home (both teams at full strength) by 3-4 points.
But the line is 10??? Fair to presume that Lovey Smith has changed his mind and will now rest a good chunk of his starters especially at QB and RB?

In the hilton Contest GB is -4...how can you not take them at that number...
 

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Food for thought:

Pitt loss
Balt win
NYJ win
then:
Pitt drops from #2 seed to #6 seed
NYJ get #5 seed
Balt get #2 seed

Pitt loss
Balt win
NYJ loss
then:
Balt#2
Pitt#5
NYJ#6

Pitt loss
Balt loss
NYJ win
then:
Pitt#2
Balt#5
NYJ#6

To avoid playing #1 NE till the latest playoff game, all AFC teams looking to get highest seed possible
 

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In the hilton Contest GB is -4...how can you not take them at that number...

Hmmmm, at my 2 sites online (world sports exchange and bigonsports.com) they have it at -10

So, other forum lurkers/readers = at what point spread can you get/play this game at today????
Were not playing the game at the Hilton Contest but if Ace can play it at -4 (for contest purposes) yeah you would think that would be 1 play.
 

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Hmmmm, at my 2 sites online (world sports exchange and bigonsports.com) they have it at -10

So, other forum lurkers/readers = at what point spread can you get/play this game at today????
Were not playing the game at the Hilton Contest but if Ace can play it at -4 (for contest purposes) yeah you would think that would be 1 play.


playing it at the hilton contest...but will not bet it at -10
 

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I get a lot of e-mail...this is from someone that's trying to help
can you name that game?

Hey guys don't forget one of the most powerfull systems know will be in effect wk17
System is really simple and makes money year after year. Bet against any wk17 dog that has already clinched a playoff spot. The system is even better if only bet against teams that are locked in place. Ie eliminate a team who is still fighting for a bye.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out why this system works. The team that is in the playoffs will usually not go all out in week 17. On the other side you have a team fighting for pride.
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Do any games fit this besides GB?
 

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hi ace, if you were to play an over in one game which would you lean toward?

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WHAT SHARPS ARE THINKING ABOUT SUNDAY'S STRANGE NFL SCHEDULE
I have to say this is one of the weirdest final Sundays I've ever seen in the NFL.
  • Hardly any games matter. The hopes for something mattering hinge on one of the best teams in pro football losing at home to the worst as a two-touchdown favorite.
  • Every game is a divisional game, which the league was hoping would spur interest...but instead just spurs question marks everywhere about intensity. Will revenge matter in a lame duck game? Do rivals really hate each other as much as the media says?
  • There are quarterback question marks in a few places, making an awkward week even more difficult for oddsmakers and handicappers.
  • The "biggest" game that matters the most involves two bad teams who are fighting to take a poor record into the postseason as an obvious pretender.
Have fun everyone!
Because of all the question marks everywhere, we've seen very limited betting action so far. Sharps want to be confident of an edge before they bet. If you don't know who's going to play quarterback, which teams are resting their starters for part of the game (or the whole game), who's going to be playing for next year or just going through the motions, there's just no reason to make a big investment.
Also, sharps tend to prefer underdogs. We have a lot of short prices this week where it might pay to wait until game day to bet because the public may get involved and drive the lines higher.
I should also mention that weather could be an influence in many outdoor sites, so there's no reason to bet the totals early unless there's dramatic news in the forecast. Nothing like that has hit the wires as or press time for this article.
So, it would be futile to run through every game on the schedule to talk about what the sharps are thinking...because they're just biding their time until things firm up. They'll be prepared. Should Atlanta inexplicably struggle with Carolina in the early game, sharps will take the logical positions in the late games that matter. Otherwise, it's the calm before a storm that may never arrive.
It's probably better this week to outline what sharps are thinking about the playoff teams. Sportsbooks will put up the openers for Wildcard Weekend Sunday Night (though Seattle/St. Louis will determine the eighth and final playoff team in prime time). Here's my read on how the sharps currently have the likely playoff teams rated:
AFC
1...New England
2...Pittsburgh, Baltimore and Indianapolis
5...NY Jets
6...Kansas City
There's respect for Pittsburgh, Baltimore, and Indianapolis that pretty much evens out. Pittsburgh and Indianapolis have been to the Super Bowl before. Neither is playing great lately, but each is capable of stringing together wins. The Colts are more of a threat now that Joseph Addai is healthy. Sharps don't see any of those teams rating better than the Pats right now though.
Sharps know New England is the best. But, the nature of the beast is that the public wants to bet New England once they take the field in two weeks, so sharps have to decide whether they want to bet the Pats on the opener to get position (or take advantage of a short line)...or wait and fade the Pats.
The Jets aren't seen as a serious threat because you can't trust quarterback Mark Sanchez in a big game, and because Rex Ryan seems to have lost much of his bluster in recent weeks. The aura is gone from this team for now. Sharps will consider them as a value dog...but not really as a Super Bowl threat right now.
With Kansas City, credit where it's due. Experience matters in the postseason though, and this is a very green team in that regard. They'll look to see if the public underrated the Chiefs in the opening week. They're not lining up to bet KC to win the AFC.
NFC
1...Atlanta, New Orleans, Philadelphia and Green Bay
5...Chicago
6...The NFC West champ
It's really a toss-up in the East. The top four are basically interchangeable in terms of the sharps ratings. Atlanta isn't as good as their record, but they're very good. New Orleans is closing strong. Philadelphia stubbed its toe last week...and will fall quickly from the sharps' graces if Michael Vick keeps limping. The Eagles are only a threat if he's able to scramble for big plays. Green Bay looked great last week, and gave New England all they could handle with their backup QB the game before.
Chicago will probably get a bye, but they're not seen by sharps as second best. Sharps don't trust Jay Cutler at QB in big games...they don't trust head coach Lovie Smith...and they don't see the explosiveness here that exists with those four teams I listed first.
Whether Seattle or St. Louis rounds out the sextet...they'll be clear underdogs on their home field in the first round.
In terms of this Sunday, I'd encourage you to monitor line moves closely. If you see a big move on an underdog, that's VERY likely a sharp move because squares (the public) don't bet dogs. A big move on the favorite may be from a public bandwagon effect, so handle those with caution.
 

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hi ace, if you were to play an over in one game which would you lean toward?

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you are talking to a man that like to bet only unders!!!

but
if you make me pick the best over I would say....SF game
 

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all plays will be posted at 1:02 pm est
there will be two at 4:15 also tha you will see

no Investment plays this week
one system play at 4:15 that you will see at 1:02 pm est
 

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Can I make a guess now?
 

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my plays today

NE-4 -105..........................$600.00
PIT-5.5-104........................$800.00
NYG -4 +100.......................$850.00 SYSTEM PLAY
SD-3.5 +107.......................$400.00
STL-3 +100.........................$500.00

HILTON PLAYS
NE
PIT
NYG
STL
GB-4 FROM THE HILTON LINE

WEEK 17TH IS ALWAY HARDER THAN WEEK 1...THIS IS WHY THOSE 5 PLAYS ARE ONLY ACTION
BETTER PLAYS COMING IN THE PLAYOFFS


BEST TO ALL

ACE-ACE
 

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You done 2.5 pts better if you got GB-4 for the Hilton SuperContest.
The Hilton SuperContest web site has GB-6.5 with 126 takers and 21 on Chi +6.5.
 

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Can someone tell me what the cutoff is for it to be play in the Myline and YPPT systems? Thanks
 

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