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</header>Anyone who has looked at the 4th down strategy chart above knows that going for it on 4th and 1 (trying to convert) is ALMOST ALWAYS the optimal play. While the multi-part series of posts (Part 1 can be found here) that culminated in that chart explained the thinking behind it, it occurred to me that we didn’t actually lay out the numbers.
So here is the theory, using the concept of expected points, of why it’s usually best to go for it on 4th and 1, from nearly ANY spot on the field. Remember that when I use expected points, I’m piggybacking off the work done by Brian Burke at AdvancedNFLStats.com (expected points).
The overall thesis is: Possession in an NFL game is EXTREMELY valuable, and NFL coaches voluntarily surrender it far too often. With just 1 yard to gain, the odds are heavily in the offense’s favor of gaining a first down and keeping the ball. Despite this, “common” strategy calls for giving the ball away in these cases. This is wrong.
Basically, we are combining what we know about the probabilities of converting 4th and 1 with the expected point values of each yard line. By doing so, we can come up with the actual expected point trade-off for each punt/go-for-it decision. Put more simply, just how valuable is “field position” gained by punting on 4th and 1?
Before I get to the good stuff, I want to make one caveat very clear. I’m using NFL averages to compute the following values. Obviously, most teams deviate from the league average to some degree. However, if I can show that all NFL teams, in aggregate, should be more “aggressive” on 4th and 1, then it’s a fairly small step to then apply it to the Eagles specifically. I just have to acknowledge that there is, in fact, another step there.
First, we need an expected success rate. Using this site, which I cited for our 3rd down play-selection/game-theory discussion, we can see that over the past 10 years, all 4th and 1 plays have been successful 66.5% of the time. Below is the output. The 66.5% is simply the weighted average success rate.

Second, we need to know just how much field position can be expected to be gained by a punt. Using ESPN’s stats, we can see that last year, the median NET punting average was approximately 41 yards (between 41 and 42).
So we have our building blocks:
- Teams are successful at converting 4th and 1 yard 66.5% of the time.
- By choosing to punt, teams can be “expected” to gain approximately 41 yards of field position.
Now let’s look at expected points and put those two things in context. Here is a graph showing the expected value of a first down at each yard line.

Unsurprisingly, the expected value of a first down increases towards 6 points as you get closer to the goal line. By itself, though, this chart isn’t overly helpful. However, we can use this chart to gauge the value of an average punt in each spot.
Let’s look at the scenario of a 4th and 1 at the offense’s own 9 yard line (the worst possible field position at which this can occur). Simplifying things, there are 3 potential outcomes.
- Punting, which we will assume results in the opposing team taking possession at the 50 yard line (41 yard kick).
- Going for it and converting. Here, to keep things easy, we’ll assume the offense gains just 1 yard, the minimum needed to gain a 1st down.
- Going for it and failing, the result of which gives the opposing team the ball at the 9 yard line.
Applying the success rate and expected points we saw above, we come to the following values for each scenario:
- Punting is worth -2.04 points, which is the expected value of a 1st down at the 50 yard line (for the other team, hence the negative).
- Going for it and gaining 1 yard is worth -0.21 points, which is the value of a 1st down at the 10 yard line. However, this only has a 66.5% chance of happening, which we’ll adjust for in a moment.
- Going for it and failing is worth -4.83 points, which is the value of a 1st down for the OTHER team at the 9 yard line.
Using the 66.5%/33.5% success odds, we can calculate the expected value of going for it, that is the expected value WITHOUT KNOWING if you will succeed or fail.
Converting: -0.21 * .665 = -0.14
Failing: -4.83 * .335 = -1.62
Combined: -1.62 + -0.14 = -1.76
See why that’s a big deal?
Given a 4th and 1 at your own 9 yard line, an average punt is “worth” -2.04 points, while going for it (with average success) is “worth” -1.76.
Going for it is worth 0.28 points MORE than punting.
Hopefully one example was enough, so rather than continue, I’m just going to give you a chart. Here is the expected value of both punting and going for it at each yard line (between the 9 and 50), assuming a 41 yard punt, a 1 yard gain if converting, and league average success rate when going for it.

So there you have it. As you can see, going for it is more valuable than punting regardless of field position. As I said at the top, with just 1 yard to gain, the odds heavily favor the offense, yet they don’t seem interested in taking advantage of it.
Giving up possession of the football, regardless of whether it’s the result of a TO or punt, is bad. It looks like teams are underrating the degree to which punting the football is a negative play. They also seem to be under-appreciating the odds of converting in 4th and 1 situations. As a result, “common” NFL strategy is far from optimal, leaving an opportunity for a forward thinking team to gain a significant advantage over the rest of the league.
Obviously each of these assumptions needs to be tweaked for individual teams. However, if the league, overall, should be going for it a lot more often in 4th and 1, then by definition, many teams should going for it more often. Here are some quick adjustments that result in “going for it” more often, with the reciprocals being adjustments that should result in punting more often:
Bad Punter – Go for it more often (lower net punting average)
Good Offense – Go for it more often (higher expected value of a first down)
Bad Defense – Go for it more often (value of OPPOSING team’s possession after a kick is higher)
Someday, we’ll see a team take advantage. I think Chip Kelly will be more aggressive than average (closer to optimal), but far from as “aggressive” as he should be. Hopefully, after developing a successful track record and some credibility, he’ll have the stones to implement strategy like this more fully.
 
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I didn't read all of that, but I always thought that. Teams are too easily willing to punt and play it safe. Especially if you have some dominant qb and its 4th and 1, its like most don't even contemplate, punting unit just runs out. Really, if you can't get 1 yard when it counts, you don't even deserve to win. How hard would it be to run sneaks and bootlegs to get 1 freakin yard. Basically just get to the line of scrimmage and dive
 

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I didn't read all of that, but I always thought that. Teams are too easily willing to punt and play it safe. Especially if you have some dominant qb and its 4th and 1, its like most don't even contemplate, punting unit just runs out. Really, if you can't get 1 yard when it counts, you don't even deserve to win. How hard would it be to run sneaks and bootlegs to get 1 freakin yard. Basically just get to the line of scrimmage and dive
you people are insane. punting is the only play. you said bootleg???? with kyle orton?????? your offense sucks. punt to your strength.
 
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you people are insane. punting is the only play. you said bootleg???? with kyle orton?????? your offense sucks. punt to your strength.


I'm talking in general, not a specific team. If I have Andrew Luck and I do. easier decision. Great QB sneak qb. And bootleg qb. Do I trust Trent Richardson to run into the middle and get 1 yard, hell no. He is more likely to lose 1 yard. I am speaking in general terms
 
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So to be fair to this conversation we need to know the odds of a team scoring a TD in the 4th Q if they have been unable to do so up to that point when their starting field position is inside their own 20 yard line and there are 11 minutes on the clock. And that needs to be contrasted to the odds of them scoring a TD from the 43 yard line with the same amount of time on the clock and their same record of failure thusfar in the game. Then we can look at the 3-1 generic advantage of the 4th down attempt. By the way, the author used actual situations between 2000 and 2008 to support his thesis. Well I would contend that those stats are corrupted by the fact that any coach going for 4th down would be a coach with a team with a considerably better chance of gaining those 4th downs vs a team with a not very good chance of preventing the fourth down conversion. Statistics can lie or shall we say misrepresent.
 
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i never punt in Madden even on 4th and 15

Oh you are one of those types. I laugh when I play someone like this as I usually end up stopping them. One idiot went for it on 4th & 27, yes you read that right 4th & 27 on the first drive of the game. The kicker is that he was pinned down on his own 6 yard line. Needless to say I sacked him & scored on the next play.
 
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Oh you are one of those types. I laugh when I play someone like this as I usually end up stopping them. One idiot went for it on 4th & 27, yes you read that right 4th & 27 on the first drive of the game. The kicker is that he was pinned down on his own 6 yard line. Needless to say I sacked him & scored on the next play.



Everyone has a cheater play in these games that can't be stopped. I haven't played video games in years but last time I played, you couldn't stop Vlad running the speed option or throwing a corner route to Peter Warrick. I easily won the Heisman. God, I was great. Damn carpal tunnel cut my career short. I would have shattered records. I had 1st balllot Hall of Famer written all over me. Joe Theisman was ranting about me. I had girls and coke all over me.
 

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So to be fair to this conversation we need to know the odds of a team scoring a TD in the 4th Q if they have been unable to do so up to that point when their starting field position is inside their own 20 yard line and there are 11 minutes on the clock. And that needs to be contrasted to the odds of them scoring a TD from the 43 yard line with the same amount of time on the clock and their same record of failure thusfar in the game. Then we can look at the 3-1 generic advantage of the 4th down attempt. By the way, the author used actual situations between 2000 and 2008 to support his thesis. Well I would contend that those stats are corrupted by the fact that any coach going for 4th down would be a coach with a team with a considerably better chance of gaining those 4th downs vs a team with a not very good chance of preventing the fourth down conversion. Statistics can lie or shall we say misrepresent.

A lot of the between 00-08 going for it on 4ths are likely teams that were down in the game and had to take a "risk". Offense has also exploded since '08 thus making keeping possession even more valuable.

I guess you'll just have to shriek in horror as NFL teams continue to go for it on 4th and 1 on their opponents side of the field more than ever over the next 5-10 years. NFL coaches go for it on 4th and 1 more than they punt from the 37-45 yard line already.

There are spots on the field you would have to make a tough decision but the opponents 43 is not remotely one of those spots. I've posted data as well as articulated why this is the case. In 10 years your way of thinking about this might be completely obsolete. Coaches like Belichick and Kelly are going for it more than ever and it isn't a coincidence as to why.

"Offenses have gradually gotten the upper hand," Burke said. "The value of possession is so much greater because of the greater chance of scoring. You never want the other offense to have the ball, and field position" — usually the argument for punting — "has become less and less important."
 

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This is about Kelly and to a lesser extent Belichick and Payton.

[h=1]How Oregon Coach Chip Kelly Can Spark 'Moneyball' Revolution In NFL[/h]Friday, November 2, 2012 3:10 pm
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For those who know Oregon coach Chip Kelly's mannerisms, his trademark smirk was in full effect. This was during the Ducks' first real "test" this season, a home game against Arizona, and they saw their opening drive end when the Wildcats stuffed quarterback Marcus Mariota for a 4-yard loss on fourth and 1.
After the tackle, Arizona linebackers rejoiced with passionate fist pumps and jumped on top of each other like frogs mating. The Wildcats were getting the ball in field-goal range (Oregon's 35-yard line) with a chance to take an early lead on the No. 3-ranked Ducks, but more importantly, they had just won their first battle against Kelly's virtually unstoppable "Quack Attack" offense. Yet, as he paced the Oregon sideline, Kelly reeked of smugness.
Kelly had set the tone, and his demeanor made clear that he was unperturbed by the outcome of the previous play. Kelly goes for it on fourth down consistently and confidently. Oregon's players, on both sides of the ball, comprehend Kelly's strategy. The Ducks didn't convert, but they didn't care, because they knew the following equations would hold true:
<center style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background: transparent;">Oregon's offense > Arizona's defense</center><center style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background: transparent;">Chip Kelly > Every other coach in college football</center>Oregon's next fourth-and-short came late in the second quarter when the Ducks faced a fourth-and-2 on their own 34-yard line. Kelly went for it again, and this time Kenjon Barner ran for six yards and a first down. Oregon went on to a 16-play scoring drive that ate up all but 28 seconds of the first half and totally deflated Arizona's defense. Oregon went on to score 36 points in the second half en route to a 49-0 win.
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Those fourth down calls epitomize Kelly's aggressiveness but what the average football fan doesn't realize is that Chip's play-calls (the fourth down tries, fake punts, two-point conversions, etc.) are almost always the correct mathematicaldecision. Like Paul DePodesta and Billy Beane did in baseball, Kelly's genius comes from exploiting arithmetic that other coaches are too naïve to acknowledge.
Six years ago, Chip Kelly was the offensive coordinator at the University of New Hampshire. In January, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers fired coach Raheem Morris and targeted Kelly as his replacement. Although Chip turned down the Bucs' offer because he had "unfinished business" at Oregon (read: national championship), Kelly's ascent through the coaching ranks has been nothing short of extraordinary. From an assistant at a Division I-AA school to turning down an NFL head coaching job in six years. Not bad, Chip. Not bad.
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It's a shame Kelly didn't take his talents to Tampa because he would have single-handedly changed the way the NFL game is played by this point in the season. He'd turn the focus away from concussions and make people realize that football is a chess match, a game of strategy, and when played correctly, a beautiful thing.
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Here's an example of how the NFL works. The Miami Dolphins were 1-15 in 2007 and started off the '08 season 0-2. In Week 3, they instituted the Wildcat offense, finished 11-3, and made the playoffs. Pundits argued that the Wildcat was a gimmick, that defenses would adjust, that it would never last, and they were partially right. Defenses did adjust, yet somehow, five years later, more than fifty percent of NFL teams have a version of the Wildcat in their playbook.
Why does this matter? Because when something catches on in the NFL, everyone jumps on the bandwagon. At first they refute it, call it a fluke, and then eventually, when a team wins 11 out of 14 games after losing 17 of its previous 18, they realize that there might be something to the newfound strategy and hurry to insert into their playbooks. The NFL is a cat and mouse league.
This is how and why Chip Kelly will modernize the game in the same way that Billy Beane's triumphs showed baseball executives that getting on base is more important than batting average. Soon enough Kelly will take over an NFL team. (A national championship is possible this season, but those Bama boys are a different breed and that Saban fella is a pretty incredible coach in his own right.) Whenever Kelly does enter the league, he'll play the game aggressively, with "aggressively" meaning in a mathematically logical fashion. By the end of the season every coach will be going for it on fourth down, attempting fake punts, fake field goals, two-point conversions, and they'll likely do all of this oblivious to the fact that there's astounding mathematical evidence supporting the decisions they're making.
They'll just see Chip Kelly's team lighting up the scoreboard and follow suit because … well, 90 percent of NFL coaches are followers.
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The fact that the league has ignored such rudimentary math for so long and that the average team's miscalculations account for approximately one loss per year (we'll get to that later) is mind-boggling. How has there not been a revolt? How have millions of fans watched silently as NFL coaches, refusing to stray from orthodoxy, continually punt away games (pun very much intended)? How has there not been a boycott?
These men are at the height of their profession and haven't utilized information that's been available for more than 10 years. It's the same exact thing that happened in baseball, but in this case, Bill James comes in the form of astrophysicist Chuck Bower and his partner Frank Frigo.
Frigo and Bower invented the Zeus computer program, which takes fourth-down situations such as the ones Oregon had against Arizona, and and runs them to conclusion as many as a million times to determine the optimum play-call. The system incorporates the teams' characteristics, ball position, yards to first down, clock, and timeouts. Needless to say, these guys are smart.
Complex algorithms aside, the outcomes are incredibly simple. Zeus tells us that teams should almost always go for it on fourth and short, attempt more onsides kicks, go for two-point conversions, in other words, do all the things that Chip Kelly does on a routine basis.
But the most important thing to take away from Zeus' findings is that the math isn't even close. The numbers are so overwhelming that teams that kick field goals on fourth and short at the 20-yard line aren't just wrong, they're so wrong it's ludicrous. For the Texas Hold ‘Em players out there, kicking a field goal in that situation is like folding pocket aces pre-flop against a smaller pocket pair. You're conceding when you're the overwhelming favorite. Even if the guy hits his set and wins the hand, you don't have any regrets. You know you made the right call and that you'll win the hand a majority of the time. NFL teams kick the field goal and "take the points" virtually every time when in reality a field goal kicker (like a punter) should only be used in times of desperation. When it's fourth and 15, for example.
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Note: Zeus breaks down its calculations into GWC or "Game Winning Chance." By going for the field goal in the previous example -- fourth and 1 at the 20-yard line -- a team decreases its chances of winning by X percent. Since there are so few offensive plays in the average game (usually around 70-90 depending on the team) every punt or field goal attempt chosen incorrectly can have a profound effect on the outcome of the game.
Here's an example of how the abstract concept of "momentum" carries far more weight with NFL authorities than concrete mathematics.
It's the first round of the 2009 AFC playoffs and the Chargers have a 7-0 lead against the Jets. The Chargers have fourth and inches at their own 47-yard line with a little more than nine minutes left in the 2nd quarter.
What does Chargers coach Norv Turner decide to do? He decides to punt of course! And the Chargers, as you may remember, had one of the best offenses in the league that season, not to mention that Philip Rivers, or any other quarterback for that matter, can convert a 6-inch sneak 99 percent of the time.
From what you just read, you're fully aware this was a preposterous decision, but Phil Simms, who was announcing the game, pontificated for several minutes that Turner made the right call because the Chargers couldn't risk losing momentum. He wouldn't stop talking about the importance of momentum and how the Chargers would instantly lose it, whatever "it" may be, had they gone for the first down and not converted. No mention of the momentum that would have been created had the Chargers converted the fourth down, which they would have done easily.
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In Phil's eyes, those handsome blue eyes, Turner's call was undoubtedly the right one, and the fact it didn't work out – San Diego didn't score again until the fourth quarter after falling behind 17-7 -- was unlucky. The trouble with luck, cousin to momentum, brother to coincidence, is that there's no way to calculate it.
Rex Ryan, a man's man, not afraid of fourth and short (or sticking his foot in his mouth), would jam the decision down Turner's throat when he converted on fourth and 1 at the end of the game. Thomas Jones rewarded the logical strategic move with a 2-yard run.
But really, both decisions were no-brainers. Just one guy is less of moron.
In addition to the NFL's ineptitude on fourth down, the game's infuriating conservatism trickles down into all play-calling aspects of the game. In 2009 ESPN the Magazine offered this statistic: In college football that year, the kicking team had recovered 63 percent of onsides kicks when the receiving team was expecting a normal kickoff (the "hands" team wasn't on the field).
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The Saints won the Super Bowl that season because they started off the second half with an onsides kick recovery. It was a brilliant call by Sean Payton, who along with Bill Belichick, are the two NFL coaches who appear to have a fairly firm grasp on football's mathematics. In fact, Belichick met with Frigo and Bower shortly after they invented Zeus, but passed on purchasing the super computer's services. My guess is that Bill got all the information he needed during their meeting, namely, that the math says to go for it on fourth and short, a decision he's made repeatedly throughout his brilliant tenure in New England.
What Zeus tells us with undeniable statistical evidence is that teams are costing themselves possessions, points, and most importantly, wins, by ignoring the math inside the game. Although Kelly is the standard for strategic brilliance, it's important to note that USC coach Lane Kiffin possesses the same aggressiveness.
USC has been a huge disappointment this season. But given its personnel and Kiffin's propensity to make the correct call on fourth down (despite being a horrendous play-caller in general), at least the Trojans won't sacrifice any chance of winning Saturday, when the Trojans host the Ducks, due to mathematical naïveté.
In fact, assuming the Ducks play Alabama in the BCS national championship game, which I believe will be the case, the Ducks "Game Winning Chance" could increase fairly significantly due to Kelly's refusal to give up the ball. It hurts to diminish Nick Saban in any way because he's by far the best recruiter/defensive mind/man-molder of anyone else in the business, but if he has a weak link against Oregon, it's that he won't entrust McCarron and new offensive coordinator Doug Nussmeier (who's fantastic) in fourth and short situations. He'd rather punt it away and play defense. Enough conversions by the Ducks and punts by the Tide might make that game far more interesting.
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If you're an NFL fan, think about all the games you've watched in your lifetime that have been botched by dumb coaching. How many real and fantasy football games have you or your favorite team lost because guys like Norv Turner, Phil Simms, and other so-called "experts" preach about momentum rather than mathematics?
Perhaps the most glaring offseason example of the NFL's conformist nature came from the Jacksonville Jaguars. The Jags spent a third-round pick (very valuable for any NFL team) on Cal punter Bryan Anger, essentially saying that they expect their offense to be incompetent. So for all you Jacksonville fans out there, all 12 of you, I wonder how it feels knowing that your team cannot wait to punt the ball. Shahid Khan seems like a pretty smart guy. I hope he reads this and sends the Jags in a different direction. I'd assume they'd sell more tickets if they cut their punter, traded for Tebow, and did what Kevin Kelley did at Pulaski High.
That's the best part about the math: It says that NFL games are far too conservative. It says that coaches need to loosen up, air it out, embrace creativity.
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This is why the NFL needs Chip Kelly.
In the meantime, if you're a football fan, and your team kicks a field goal on fourth-and-1 on the 25 yard-line, leave the stadium and don't come back. That decision, which happens in almost every NFL game on a weekly basis, is the equivalent of an MLB manager starting a guy with a .300 On-Base Percentage instead of a guy with a .400 On-Base Percentage because the guy with a .300 OBP is 6-5 with great shoulders and a handsome smile.
Baseball had its "Moneyball" revolution. The NFL will too, but first, Chip Kelly needs to win a national championship.
All I can say is, go Ducks.







 
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" not to mention that Philip Rivers, or any other quarterback for that matter, can convert a 6-inch sneak 99 percent of the time."

The credibility of your thesis goes right into the toilet with a statement like this.

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"The Saints won the Super Bowl that season because they started off the second half with an onsides kick recovery. It was a brilliant call by Sean Payton, who along with Bill Belichick, are the two NFL coaches who appear to have a fairly firm grasp on football's mathematics. In fact, Belichick met with Frigo and Bower shortly after they invented Zeus, but passed on purchasing the super computer's services. My guess is that Bill got all the information he needed during their meeting, namely, that the math says to go for it on fourth and short, a decision he's made repeatedly throughout his brilliant tenure in New England"

So I decided to see the evidence the insinuation that Belichick goes for 4th downs like a dog goes for a hambone. Looked at the first eight games of this season to get me all the sampling that I needed to put Beichick's adherence to fourth down madness to rest.

8 Belichick games
64 fourth owns
35 punts
23 fg attempts
6 other attempts*

* 4 in game one. All with under 4 minutes left in the game, losing 20-33. (2 conversions; 2 failures)
* 1 in game two. An incomplete pass with 1:56 left in the game of a 30-7 win over Minny.
* 1 in game five. A Brady sneak on 4th and 1 from the Cincy 5 with the score 0-0. Conversion leading to subsequent TD.

As for the originally questioned Marrone decision to punt on a 4th and 1 from the opponents 43 yd line, Bellichick had 3 like situations with 4th and 1 or 2 from the opponents 40-49 yd lines. In all three cases he punted (as did Marrone).

And lastly I looked at Belichik with 4th and 1 or 2 when inside the opponents 20 yd line. 7 opportunities. 6 fgs. 1 sneak by Brady.

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Looks like the greatest coach of this era thinks more like Marrone than the mathematicians. The truth shall set you free.
 

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Yeah he should go for it more on 4th and 1 too. He isn't infallible, he has made a lot of in-game mistakes over the years. Not advancing the ball to try to get better than a 42 yard FG vs Arizona a few years back comes to mind. As does messing up the timeout scenario and not scoring at the end of the half vs B-More in the AFCCG.

One thing I've noticed is the better the offense/team NE is facing, the more likely he is to go for it because he knows how valuable possession is in those situations. When you are the better team (as a team like the Patriots are going into most games), you aren't trying to create anymore variance by taking more risk so being conservative can make more sense sometimes. Giving the ball back to Peyton Manning and JP Losman are two different things.

Also saying "the credibility goes into the toilet" because of 1 statement over 3 articles is absurd. If you link 3 articles to any subject you are going to be able to cherrypick stuff out of it that isn't necessarily spot on. The point is Norv Turner F'd up that call and it contributed to his team losing the game.
 

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I mean lemme give you some food for thought here. I think you'll atleast agree with this premise even if you think I'm out of my mind when it comes to 4th and 1 from the 43.

25 years ago in NBA a 18 pt shot worth 2pts was considered better than a 22pt shot worth 3 pts

15 years ago in MLB stats like RBI and BA were considered more valuable than OBP

10 years ago in the NFL teams would punt more at the from the 37-45 yard line and are going for it more now.

Just because there was a uniform way of thinking or doing things doesn't mean that it is always correct.

Phil Jackson as recently as 10 years ago thought that having his team taking corner 3pt shots was a bad move because it leads to transition baskets on the other end. This has been proven completely false.
 

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