Eclipsed, read the book, its a great read.
The European soccer ref that talked had already been busted and I believe he used some of the testimonial details given during the trial.
The Asian syndicate/mafia guys that he got to talk stated that at certain times, up to 80% of the soccer matches in various asian leagues were fixed.
The World Cup matches that were fixed involved African players and coaches.
Ive forgotten the exact details of much of the book. I have a copy here at home, so maybe ill look through it again tomorrow evening.
If people saw the lifestyles some of the ncaa basketball referees live on paltry salaries, they would also be more convinced many games are compromised along gambling interests.
The European soccer ref that talked had already been busted and I believe he used some of the testimonial details given during the trial.
The Asian syndicate/mafia guys that he got to talk stated that at certain times, up to 80% of the soccer matches in various asian leagues were fixed.
The World Cup matches that were fixed involved African players and coaches.
Ive forgotten the exact details of much of the book. I have a copy here at home, so maybe ill look through it again tomorrow evening.
If people saw the lifestyles some of the ncaa basketball referees live on paltry salaries, they would also be more convinced many games are compromised along gambling interests.
I think some games are fixed, but not nearly as many as many posters around here think.
When a team covers because because there was a bad call on one end with 2.6 seconds left leading to some dude hitting a three from half court for the cover, that's not a fix.
When a player hits a two run homer to win the game in the ninth inning after he could have been called out on strikes on the previous pitch, that's not a fix.
If a fix is in, the fixers are not going to rely on some bullshit luck to win the game at the last moment. It's more about some star playing getting in foul trouble early on bad calls, or an horrific and one sided strike zone, or one team's TE getting called for holding 6 times.
Soccer games are fixed, especially World Cup Games when both teams can advance with a draw and neither team comes close to scoring.
When a team covers because because there was a bad call on one end with 2.6 seconds left leading to some dude hitting a three from half court for the cover, that's not a fix.
When a player hits a two run homer to win the game in the ninth inning after he could have been called out on strikes on the previous pitch, that's not a fix.
If a fix is in, the fixers are not going to rely on some bullshit luck to win the game at the last moment. It's more about some star playing getting in foul trouble early on bad calls, or an horrific and one sided strike zone, or one team's TE getting called for holding 6 times.
Soccer games are fixed, especially World Cup Games when both teams can advance with a draw and neither team comes close to scoring.
I think the lines are fixed but not the actual game itself.
I know thats a little hard to understand or explain but like Vegas could know something no one else does and set the line lower or higher to get public money one way or another to profit and no one would ever know the difference or that anything happened..
I know thats a little hard to understand or explain but like Vegas could know something no one else does and set the line lower or higher to get public money one way or another to profit and no one would ever know the difference or that anything happened..
im going to laugh if anyone brings up the mavs game.
yes, stern had carmelo hit a running 3 to win it with 1 second left to continue the storyline lol.
ill check out that book though.
people need to realize that officials are human and make mistakes. you'll hear the same shit when nfl starts about it being fixed because degenerates whine after they lose bets.
yes, stern had carmelo hit a running 3 to win it with 1 second left to continue the storyline lol.
ill check out that book though.
people need to realize that officials are human and make mistakes. you'll hear the same shit when nfl starts about it being fixed because degenerates whine after they lose bets.
i dont think the sports organizations fix games for added ratings and stuff, but i do think specific people within games have added agenda's in the outcome of the game.
case in my point, my friend is a handicapper down in miami and gets to meet alot of interesting people in the course of his job. one person he knows is involved with the russian mob. The guy told him 2 games that would cover no matter what, this was like the 5th time ov there the course of a few yrs the guy had told him games, and he had alway been right. Said a couple of the refs had run up debts and were steering the game for who would cover to pay off their debt. sure enough central michigan playing at Indiana getting points goes in and pulls off a straight up upset of Iu. central mich was missing its starting qb who put up huge numbers and was in early heisman talk. the backup was like a true freshmen and he put up something like 500 yards and 5 tds in the game. It makes u think.... the other game was sdsu vs someone, and covered by like 20.
case in my point, my friend is a handicapper down in miami and gets to meet alot of interesting people in the course of his job. one person he knows is involved with the russian mob. The guy told him 2 games that would cover no matter what, this was like the 5th time ov there the course of a few yrs the guy had told him games, and he had alway been right. Said a couple of the refs had run up debts and were steering the game for who would cover to pay off their debt. sure enough central michigan playing at Indiana getting points goes in and pulls off a straight up upset of Iu. central mich was missing its starting qb who put up huge numbers and was in early heisman talk. the backup was like a true freshmen and he put up something like 500 yards and 5 tds in the game. It makes u think.... the other game was sdsu vs someone, and covered by like 20.
The shot didn't change the spread winner
To the WOLF poster.are you nuts or what, to think all games are on the up and up.Maybe your post was a joke here and i took it too serious, it has been proven many time from refs, players points shaving etc.if you think all game are on the level you dont know a thing about sports betting imo. ck
If a ref or crew of refs are angling for gambling interests, I really dont think they wait until the final seconds of a game.
Also, if working together, the discreet angle for them would be to focus on the total instead of a side.
If you read the book, post what you think about it in this thread.
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CK,
Hope all is well!
I am one who would love nothing more than to think that sports are completely on the level, but you mentioned several sports where it has been proven that corruption exists.
Honestly, the only way I believe people can make the argument that sports are not fixed/have been fixed, is if they are trying to rationalize it in their own minds.
Why is it that some NBA games, teams are down by 6 or 8 points, they don't foul, but all of a sudden games with 15 point differences and 30 seconds left, fouls occur and the game is right around the total. I don't know how much influence gambling has on the outcomes of games, but I certainly feel that the NBA, unlike the others sports, has had an influence on certain teams receiving beneficial calls for their playoff advancement.
Before anyone argues why did they let SAS play NJN in the finals, because SAS was so good with Duncan, that after a while it would have been too obvious to prevent the Spurs from reaching the finals.
Reggie Miller said it best years ago, when Jordan threw a punch and he was not thrown from the game, he said the vendors, the merchandise sellers all lose money.
THE NBA IS A FOR PROFIT ORGANIZATION.
Imagine what the television ratings would be for an NFL/NBA game if there was no line for that particular game.
For example, a MNF game and the oddsmakers decided not to release a pointspread and your local didn't put out a line either, how do you think the ratings would do by comparasion.
For example, a MNF game and the oddsmakers decided not to release a pointspread and your local didn't put out a line either, how do you think the ratings would do by comparasion.
Big Ten i agree 100% with what you saying.Why do you hear so many times doing a tv game the line etc.Also think about it no betting on games and like you say the rating would drop like a brick imo.also many business like directv would be hurt because people like us would not buy sport packages to watch the games.It would hurt from top to bottom imo.I really think that the games that are fix, we do not even know it or see it and i do think the fix game are early on fix etc and not the last min miss shots too.It would be nice to think everything is good in this world but it not, just like the person that think everyone is his friend, most people can count on one hand his true friends imo.Anytime money comes into play there will be people to take the short cut.............ck
CK,
I personally would still buy the CFB ESPN Gameplan package, if I didn't wager. There is no way I would buy the Sunday Ticket, MLB Extra Innings and League Pass. Directv has a lot a stake and as they just resigned with the NFL for over a Billion dollars. Do you really think anyone gives a damn about SF vs Seattle, aside from Niner fans and Hawks fans. Yes, Fantasy football is a form of gambling.
