Sometimes you gotta wonder that if it can come that close to a upper level manager/salesman with a college degree, how tough can it be on someone with a low IQ and not much education.
As far as social security I agree its seriously flawed but if someone works a menial job all their life they should not have to live out of garbage cans once they are too old to work.
As far as social security I agree its seriously flawed but if someone works a menial job all their life they should not have to live out of garbage cans once they are too old to work.
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I am aware that it is insurance. Sorry if i was ambiguous-
1) It is my money and they take it from me
2) Anyone with a brain, even after the recent market drop would be far better off if they had invested there money for 45 years relative to what they will get from the govt (most likely nothing for me as Im 26)
3)In my case I actually pay both ends as Im self employed, but either way it is your money
4) All i ask it for the option to opt out and people to choose to have theirs privatized- as in fine i cant touch that money until im 65 but I can do with it what I wish to have it grow before then
Widening Gap between Rich and Poor: US cities now compare to African cities
October 23, 2008, 12:24PM
Another "Banana Republican" sign: According to a new UN report, as reported in The Guardian, US cities such as New York, Atlanta, New Orleans, Washington, and Miami, now rank among the world's greatest - in terms of disparity of income. We knew this gap was growing in the US. But did we know that many of our largest cities now compare to cities in Africa in terms of disparities between rich and poor? Did we realize that race was a significant factor in these disparities?
As we face the election of our first Black President, in the midst of the greatest financial crisis since the Great Depression, this UN study suggests a potential for civil unrest as well:
"High levels of inequality can lead to negative social, economic and political consequences that have a destabilising effect on societies," said the report. "[They] create social and political fractures that can develop into social unrest and insecurity."
It is a tragedy how far the United States has descended from our proud aspirations of social equality, particularly during the past 8 years of the bush administration. It is particularly tragic that republicans have worked so hard to foster wealth-shifting, and divisions along racial, ethnic, and religious divides in addition to wasting so much time, energy, and money on bush's vendetta with Iraq.
"It is clear that social tension comes from inequality. The trickle down theory [that wealth starts with the rich] has not delivered. Inequality is not good for anybody," said Anna Tibaijuka, head of UN-Habitat, in London yesterday.
We have traveled so far from our ideals in these 8 years. We have tortured. We have spied on ourselves. We have weakened our Constitutional protections. We have lived way beyond our means as a nation and created a wealthy class to rival the early years of the 20th century. But so many people have paid a terrible price in terms of life expectancy and infant mortality, in a nation which imprisons a greater percentage of our population than any other nation and spends half of the entire world's military budget.
We have a lot of work to do. We have a lot to undo. So many great tasks lie ahead of us.
We are focused on Nov. 4.
But reducing the disparities in equality, in justice, in health care, and so many other areas lie ahead.
I'm thinking of Nov 5. And beyond.
October 23, 2008, 12:24PM
Another "Banana Republican" sign: According to a new UN report, as reported in The Guardian, US cities such as New York, Atlanta, New Orleans, Washington, and Miami, now rank among the world's greatest - in terms of disparity of income. We knew this gap was growing in the US. But did we know that many of our largest cities now compare to cities in Africa in terms of disparities between rich and poor? Did we realize that race was a significant factor in these disparities?
As we face the election of our first Black President, in the midst of the greatest financial crisis since the Great Depression, this UN study suggests a potential for civil unrest as well:
"High levels of inequality can lead to negative social, economic and political consequences that have a destabilising effect on societies," said the report. "[They] create social and political fractures that can develop into social unrest and insecurity."
It is a tragedy how far the United States has descended from our proud aspirations of social equality, particularly during the past 8 years of the bush administration. It is particularly tragic that republicans have worked so hard to foster wealth-shifting, and divisions along racial, ethnic, and religious divides in addition to wasting so much time, energy, and money on bush's vendetta with Iraq.
"It is clear that social tension comes from inequality. The trickle down theory [that wealth starts with the rich] has not delivered. Inequality is not good for anybody," said Anna Tibaijuka, head of UN-Habitat, in London yesterday.
We have traveled so far from our ideals in these 8 years. We have tortured. We have spied on ourselves. We have weakened our Constitutional protections. We have lived way beyond our means as a nation and created a wealthy class to rival the early years of the 20th century. But so many people have paid a terrible price in terms of life expectancy and infant mortality, in a nation which imprisons a greater percentage of our population than any other nation and spends half of the entire world's military budget.
We have a lot of work to do. We have a lot to undo. So many great tasks lie ahead of us.
We are focused on Nov. 4.
But reducing the disparities in equality, in justice, in health care, and so many other areas lie ahead.
I'm thinking of Nov 5. And beyond.
some great stuff found in this thread
was any Obama supporter right about any issue? did the gap between rich and poor improve? LOL
I especially love Punter's post about RR's tax cuts NOT growing the economy, but Clinton's tax increases on the rich did. You would think he didn't even know much Clinton's early term tax increases impacted people that would never even pay income taxes, or paid very little (read, he increased taxes on the poorest of the poor). In 1995, two years after his tax hikes, his own office released budget projections of deficits being 200 billion per year for the entire term of their projection. that was horrible in that era, and clearly proof they didn't even think their own budget worked as promised.
the surplus was not achieved until after he signed Newt's budget cutting taxes across the boards, the same budgets democrats opposed and the same budget democrats said would destroy everything for everybody (sound familiar?). today, democrats who demagogued that budget actually take credit for it's successes, as does their flock. Literally true
was any Obama supporter right about any issue? did the gap between rich and poor improve? LOL
I especially love Punter's post about RR's tax cuts NOT growing the economy, but Clinton's tax increases on the rich did. You would think he didn't even know much Clinton's early term tax increases impacted people that would never even pay income taxes, or paid very little (read, he increased taxes on the poorest of the poor). In 1995, two years after his tax hikes, his own office released budget projections of deficits being 200 billion per year for the entire term of their projection. that was horrible in that era, and clearly proof they didn't even think their own budget worked as promised.
the surplus was not achieved until after he signed Newt's budget cutting taxes across the boards, the same budgets democrats opposed and the same budget democrats said would destroy everything for everybody (sound familiar?). today, democrats who demagogued that budget actually take credit for it's successes, as does their flock. Literally true
