Disgraced ex-ref Donaghy says NBA pressuring officials to side with Nets

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I hear what youre saying. When i see the a team like the knicks.....even the league can't manipulate them into a winning team. Im not saying it's the WWE.....just think when the playoffs come around......they league has an agenda and they try to get certain matchups.

Im sure there isnt a directive from Stern but by assigning certain officials to a specific series....i think they do their best to give the team the league wants to advance an advantage.

I hear that. I mean the league can definitely put officials with certain biases in certain games, they can even alert the officials on what to look out for. So they can indirectly influence the calls by telling refs to call 3 seconds tighter, or hand checking. I just think reffing is not easy and you see it at every level from grade school, high school, college, to the pros. Have you ever been to a big time high school basketball game? I rather ref in the pros than around those crazy fans and parents.

I mean, even in my mens hockey league the refs know most of the players, they hate some players... if you are losing they tend to let you get away with much more and call it much tighter on the team winning. Basically I think there is a chance that refs can manipulate games based on their bias... I just don't believe it has anything to do with the league telling them to make sure one team wins over the other. I think they do it just because they are humans and the game is hard as shit to ref.
 

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I have to agree to disagree to an extent here. Those teams that the "league prefers" usually have really good players. And if they don't have good players they suck regardless of the leagues help. Look at the Knicks the past decade+. They have a bigger market than anyone. There is no doubt the NBA would love for the Knicks to be a dominant team. Look at the Celtics and Lakers this year. You don't have good players you have no chance.

Is it possible there is a star bias, sure. But it's also possible that star players are very fucking hard to guard and they create a lot of contact making it very difficult for the officials.

There's thousands of games over the decades, I'm sure there were many where the ending was influenced by the refs. I just can't possibly imagine David Stern being dumb enough to tell a ref or anyone to favor one team or another. That's a serious liability.

I didn't think idiots like executives at Texaco were stupid enough to record their racial bias on audio tapes, but they were and they did. Do you know how many different examples one could give you?

Your argument on stars players is partially valid, but NBA can't do much when Dolan signs Allan Houston and others to terrible deals.
 

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Please tell me how this is a mistake

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Please watch this and listen to this entire video.

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Please tell me how this is a mistake

He made the mistake of putting the wrong free throw shooter on the line. Happens a lot in all sports. Like when refs in football call the wrong jersey number for holding or hockey when they send the wrong guy to the box. From the bald dudes angle he probably saw contact Camby made. You do realize we are looking at it from a different angle then him?
 

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I didn't think idiots like executives at Texaco were stupid enough to record their racial bias on audio tapes, but they were and they did. Do you know how many different examples one could give you?

Your argument on stars players is partially valid, but NBA can't do much when Dolan signs Allan Houston and others to terrible deals.

Yea, there are examples of people doing dumb things, true. Does that mean the NBA is doing dumb things? No. You have no proof whatsoever. Just a lot of conjecture and logical fallacies about bad calls out of millions of calls the refs have made over the course of decades.
 

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Yea, there are examples of people doing dumb things, true. Does that mean the NBA is doing dumb things? No. You have no proof whatsoever. Just a lot of conjecture and logical fallacies about bad calls out of millions of calls the refs have made over the course of decades.

Just because you can't see the forest from the trees.
 

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He made the mistake of putting the wrong free throw shooter on the line. Happens a lot in all sports. Like when refs in football call the wrong jersey number for holding or hockey when they send the wrong guy to the box. From the bald dudes angle he probably saw contact Camby made. You do realize we are looking at it from a different angle then him?

Danny Granger quote from Orlando Summer league last year "If it went 7, we had no chance, we knew we would be playing 8 on 5." George happen to foul out of game 7.
 

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Just the other week I was in a playoff game in our men's hockey league. Wasn't even near the play, the ref blew the whistle for a penalty, wrote it down, went to the scorekeeper and then pointed at me to go to the box. I was like "what the hell did I do? I wasn't even near the play". He was like "4 red, your in the box". No one on our team could believe it.

After the game he came up to me an apologized, he wrote in his book 4 green and then saw my 4 and made a mistake.

Now I know they are not professionals and get paid $25 a game... but just from my experience throughout a life in sports, people make mistakes, sometimes big mistakes. The mind is a tricky beast sometimes. These guys aren't computers and they definitely do not have slow motion replay from multiple angles in their head. Sometimes watching a replay in slo-mo 20 times you still can't tell who touched the ball last. It's hard as shit.
 

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Danny Granger quote from Orlando Summer league last year "If it went 7, we had no chance, we knew we would be playing 8 on 5." George happen to foul out of game 7.

Players and coaches at all sports and all levels think the refs are against them.
 

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Ridiculous video. The very first example, just like in the other video, the referee who makes the call is behind the player. His angle, he probably thought Haslem went over Dirks back. He couldn't even see Dirk from that angle, so he probably blew it in anticipation. And quotes from players that are upset they lost complaining that the refs and the league are against them is not evidence. Fucking Rasheed says a lot of dumb things.
 

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Just the other week I was in a playoff game in our men's hockey league. Wasn't even near the play, the ref blew the whistle for a penalty, wrote it down, went to the scorekeeper and then pointed at me to go to the box. I was like "what the hell did I do? I wasn't even near the play". He was like "4 red, your in the box". No one on our team could believe it.

After the game he came up to me an apologized, he wrote in his book 4 green and then saw my 4 and made a mistake.

Now I know they are not professionals and get paid $25 a game... but just from my experience throughout a life in sports, people make mistakes, sometimes big mistakes. The mind is a tricky beast sometimes. These guys aren't computers and they definitely do not have slow motion replay from multiple angles in their head. Sometimes watching a replay in slo-mo 20 times you still can't tell who touched the ball last. It's hard as shit.

Nobody is saying mistakes don't occur, but why does a guy like Jim Rome (regardless of you opinion of him), ask David Stern if the draft lottery is fixed? Please watch the very last video.

Also, please tell me you watched the 2006 NBA Finals
 

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Nobody is saying mistakes don't occur, but why does a guy like Jim Rome (regardless of you opinion of him), ask David Stern if the draft lottery is fixed? Please watch the very last video.

Also, please tell me you watched the 2006 NBA Finals

I watched the 2006 NBA Finals. Great series. Not sure what was rigged about it. And Jim Rome is controversy guy, who cares if he asks David Stern if the draft is fixed. What does that have to do with anything?

I get what these videos are trying to do, they are like any other conspiracy video out there. No hard evidence, just mixing and matching tape of bad calls, quotes, rules, and putting suspenseful music behind it. And it's funny using Shaq as an example since for years teams were complaining that Shaq just bullied them around and the refs would never call him for it.

Everyone blames the refs in every sports. Not that big of a deal. And definitely not evidence of "rigging".
 

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Even the one guy everyone says gets all the calls is complaining about the refs today... lol.

"I understand there's going to be contact, and if it's the right call, then I'm OK with it," James said. "My foul didn't even get checked. It was never checked, and it was at a crucial point of the game.


"I don't cry for fouls. I know it's going to be a big headline tomorrow, 'LeBron is crying for fouls.' It's not that at all. If the game is played and [officiated] how it's supposed to be [officiated], then I'm OK with it."

- Lebron James
 

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Remember how many FTs Wade shot. Go back and watch the highlights. Phantom fouls and he shot 97 (46 in game 5/6) Fts in 6 games.

This a point-less argument. Anything short of Stern coming out and telling you he fixed games, you won' believe it.
 

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Remember how many fouls Wade shot.

This a point-less argument. Anything short of Stern coming out and telling you he fixed games, you won' believe it.

If Stern fixed games a hell of a lot of people would know. And people don't keep their mouths shut. Not one shred of evidence has come out about the NBA fixing games. I mean even the disgraced Donaghy didn't admit the NBA was fixing games. He just went off on referee biases. Some refs hated some players/coaches, some like others. That makes sense from a human perspective. Doesn't really prove shit was fixed.

And Wade was the best player on the court. He took it hard to the hoop every possession. Made it very difficult for the refs.
 

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If Stern fixed games a hell of a lot of people would know. And people don't keep their mouths shut. Not one shred of evidence has come out about the NBA fixing games. I mean even the disgraced Donaghy didn't admit the NBA was fixing games. He just went off on referee biases. Some refs hated some players/coaches, some like others. That makes sense from a human perspective. Doesn't really prove shit was fixed.

And Wade was the best player on the court. He took it hard to the hoop every possession. Made it very difficult for the refs.

You have an excuse for everything. Stern only has to let 1 ref know. You do realize if someone came out and said the NBA was fixed, the value of the teams would be like holding shares of Crazy Eddie's stock, worthless. You are talking about some of the most powerful people in the world. Paul Allen, Mark Cuban, Tom Gores. Why would anyone turn the tap off on the fountain of money they steal from people like you who attend games and watch them on TV.
 

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You have an excuse for everything. Stern only has to let 1 ref know. You do realize if someone came out and said the NBA was fixed, the value of the teams would be like holding shares of Crazy Eddie's stock, worthless. You are talking about some of the most powerful people in the world. Paul Allen, Mark Cuban, Tom Gores. Why would anyone turn the tap off on the fountain of money they steal from people like you who attend games and watch them on TV.

Lol, these aren't excuses, they're just logical observations. Why would any of the owners want to be apart of a rigged league? And you are proving my point. The liability of Stern telling a single person to rig a game is astronomical. No way someone making $5 mil+ a year is going to give a referee a $100mil+ liability. Not a chance.

These guys all make money off the game and most importantly the integrity of the game. There is just no motive there. Yea the NBA might make more money if a large market team wins, but they will lose far more money if they are caught rigging games in order for that team to win.

Just seems like too big of a conspiracy to me. I think what you get is what you see when it comes to professional sports.
 

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Lol, these aren't excuses, they're just logical observations. Why would any of the owners want to be apart of a rigged league? And you are proving my point. The liability of Stern telling a single person to rig a game is astronomical. No way someone making $5 mil+ a year is going to give a referee a $100mil+ liability. Not a chance.

These guys all make money off the game and most importantly the integrity of the game. There is just no motive there. Yea the NBA might make more money if a large market team wins, but they will lose far more money if they are caught rigging games in order for that team to win.

Just seems like too big of a conspiracy to me. I think what you get is what you see when it comes to professional sports.

Here is the deal, tell people league has fixed the draft lottery and game 6 in 2002. See how much your NBA teams are worth or continue to net $20M and keep your mouth shut. The NBA is not wrestling, but maybe in Alaska everything is on the up and up, but in the real world, everything revolves around money.

Imagine if Dick Bevatta came out and said he helped fix games. Goodbye pension, NBA PR machine in full-swing. After 1 interview whose ear does dick have. Look at how bad Jose Canesco's life turned out and he was correct about what he said.

Stern didn't go to owners and say the NBA is rigged. Stevie Wonder could see it.
 

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