Coronavirus will go down as the biggest Failure in American history.....

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WASHINGTON — “Any way you cut it, this is going to be bad,” a senior medical adviser at the Department of Veterans Affairs, Dr. Carter Mecher, wrote on the night of Jan. 28, in an email to a group of public health experts scattered around the government and universities. “The projected size of the outbreak already seems hard to believe.”


A week after the first coronavirus case had been identified in the United States, and six long weeks before President Trump finally took aggressive action to confront the danger the nation was facing — a pandemic that is now forecast to take tens of thousands of American lives — Dr. Mecher was urging the upper ranks of the nation’s public health bureaucracy to wake up and prepare for the possibility of far more drastic action.


“You guys made fun of me screaming to close the schools,” he wrote to the group, which called itself “Red Dawn,” an inside joke based on the 1984 movie about a band of Americans trying to save the country after a foreign invasion. “Now I’m screaming, close the colleges and universities.”


His was hardly a lone voice. Throughout January, as Mr. Trump repeatedly played down the seriousness of the virus and focused on other issues, an array of figures inside his government — from top White House advisers to experts deep in the cabinet departments and intelligence agencies — identified the threat, sounded alarms and made clear the need for aggressive action.



But dozens of interviews with current and former officials and a review of emails and other records revealed many previously unreported details and a fuller picture of the roots and extent of his halting response as the deadly virus spread:



  • The National Security Council office responsible for tracking pandemics received intelligence reports in early January predicting the spread of the virus to the United States, and within weeks was raising options like keeping Americans home from work and shutting down cities the size of Chicago. Mr. Trump would avoid such steps until March.


  • Despite Mr. Trump’s denial weeks later, he was told at the time about a Jan. 29 memo produced by his trade adviser, Peter Navarro, laying out in striking detail the potential risks of a coronavirus pandemic: as many as half a million deaths and trillions of dollars in economic losses.The health and human services secretary, Alex M. Azar II, directly warned Mr. Trump of the possibility of a pandemic during a call on Jan. 30, the second warning he delivered to the president about the virus in two weeks. The president, who was on Air Force One while traveling for appearances in the Midwest, responded that Mr. Azar was being alarmist.


    • Mr. Azar publicly announced in February that the government was establishing a “surveillance” system in five American cities to measure the spread of the virus and enable experts to project the next hot spots. It was delayed for weeks. The slow start of that plan, on top of the well-documented failures to develop the nation’s testing capacity, left administration officials with almost no insight into how rapidly the virus was spreading. “We were flying the plane with no instruments,” one official said.


    • By the third week in February, the administration’s top public health experts concluded they should recommend to Mr. Trump a new approach that would include warning the American people of the risks and urging steps like social distancing and staying home from work. But the White House focused instead on messaging and crucial additional weeks went by before their views were reluctantly accepted by the president — time when the virus spread largely unimpeded.When Mr. Trump finally agreed in mid-March to recommend social distancing across the country, effectively bringing much of the economy to a halt, he seemed shellshocked and deflated to some of his closest associates. One described him as “subdued” and “baffled” by how the crisis had played out. An economy that he had wagered his re-election on was suddenly in shambles.


      He only regained his swagger, the associate said, from conducting his daily White House briefings, at which he often seeks to rewrite the history of the past several months. He declared at one point that he “felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic,” and insisted at another that he had to be a “cheerleader for the country,” as if that explained why he failed to prepare the public for what was coming.



https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/11/us/politics/coronavirus-trump-response.html
 

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Obama Care beats it hands down

Obamacare was the single most worst thing this country has ever seen. People will be feeling blows from that failure 50 years from now.
 

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I think enslaving a bunch of free individuals against their will was probably pretty bad. Call me crazy.
 

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If you thought it was truly that bad wouldn't it make it number two behind the repeal of the Chinese Exclusion Act?
 

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Doubt it tops vietnam
The root cause of the disastrous US involvement in Vietnam was a fundamental misunderstanding of the Communist threat to the world by our leaders at the time (domino theory, Chinese ambitions in the region). With the TrumpVirus outbreak disaster in the USA the primary cause is a wilfully ignorant leader that has a fundamentally different agenda than the citizens of his country (keep the stock market booming at all costs).

The only similarity between the two disasters is that they are both catastrophic failures of leadership. Dollarwise TrumpVirus will easily take the cake (both nominally and inflation adjusted) and death wise we will be at Vietnam numbers (for American citizens) in fairly short order I would think. We are already number 1 in the world for deaths as of yesterday
 

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The Great Society, a/k/a the war on poverty, put poverty on steroids and created the crime invested single parent urban areas we have today.

Obamacare also made every problem it was designed to fix worse, across the boards. Government solutions don't work, not sure why anyone trusts those assholes that occupy DC to begin with.

I was young and I supported the Vietnam War for most if my life, although my opinion has changed in recent years.

Not doing the surge immediately in Iraq. Would have saved lives and time and money and the perception of us in the region would be drastically improved

Whatever is going on in Afghanistan now. I believe that if we fought this thing to win, like WWII, we win and it's long over.

Making CA a state, we wouldn't have all the political problems and hostility we have today. :)
 

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I think OP realized how dumb this thread is and abandoned it

ignorance is bliss, dumb people don't know they be dumb

that's their problem
 

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Until there is a vaccine or cure, what we really need is mass testing, plus a comprehensively equipped/staffed isolation/treatment facility. No quarantine at home/hotel - once someone is tested positive, they're whisked away to the facility in a special isolation vehicle. No ifs/buts so the population is protected.

We'd also need teams of contact tracers (Wuhan @ 1 point had 1,800 teams) to chase down all possible exposure for testing. So if a confirmed positive case went to a dance practice/language class/AA meeting/conference, then all of the attendees, their families and co-workers would get notified and tested. Isolated & treated if tested positive.


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I said Vietnam instead of Iraq because the results are pretty much in on it. Iraq obviously a disaster though, no matter how fast we can kill people there, no way are you putting a benovolent democracy in an area with that much consanguinity.

Main issue with Obamacare (even moreso than the mandates/coverage issues) is the medicaid expansion is giving tons of people healthcare for free and healthcare isn't free. GL putting that back in a box.
 

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Obama Care beats it hands down
Obamacare was the single most worst thing this country has ever seen. People will be feeling blows from that failure 50 years from now.

Obamacare went into effect in 2014. It was repealed and replaced three years later in 2017. It has near zero lasting effect on us. The only people who consider any part of our current health care a failure are retarded liberals who are trying to make Trump look bad.
 

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