I remain humored by all those touting 5Dimes as great, good book, etc, etc, etc...
...after all the website downtime, the changed stories, the unspecified rules, the rule changes in an effort to provide "protection" from the "bonus hunter", etc, etc, etc...
5Dimes is clearly lacking the professional standards necessary to be reliable and trustworthy...
...while the one's touting what a great book 5Dimes is today, will be crying here tomorrow...
...as the sport world turns.
...after all the website downtime, the changed stories, the unspecified rules, the rule changes in an effort to provide "protection" from the "bonus hunter", etc, etc, etc...
5Dimes is clearly lacking the professional standards necessary to be reliable and trustworthy...
...while the one's touting what a great book 5Dimes is today, will be crying here tomorrow...
...as the sport world turns.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jake Thompson:
It says you have to be active in their rules. It defines active. You agree to it, you play by their rules. Simple answer.
5Dimes is one of the better books, and if you don't like their rules don't sign an agreement saying you will play with them.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Jake, don't be silly.
Where does it define active on their site?
It says you have to be active in their rules. It defines active. You agree to it, you play by their rules. Simple answer.
5Dimes is one of the better books, and if you don't like their rules don't sign an agreement saying you will play with them.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Jake, don't be silly.
Where does it define active on their site?
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RobFunk:
I'm so sick of these long threads regarding bonuses. when everyone played with locals only did you guys always get into disputes over bonuses with your buddys?! If they take action and pay, anything you're lucky enough to get out of a bonus is just that; _a BONUS_<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Rob, don't be silly. This isn't the 60's where everyone is playing with locals. Many books offer bonuses to entice players and they should honor those bonuses and abide by unambiguous guidelines regarding them.
I'm so sick of these long threads regarding bonuses. when everyone played with locals only did you guys always get into disputes over bonuses with your buddys?! If they take action and pay, anything you're lucky enough to get out of a bonus is just that; _a BONUS_<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Rob, don't be silly. This isn't the 60's where everyone is playing with locals. Many books offer bonuses to entice players and they should honor those bonuses and abide by unambiguous guidelines regarding them.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bart:
why cant you guys just expect to have 5000 in your account if you deposited 5000?
bonus whores will ruin this industry<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
bart, the expectation that a bonus will be provided flows directly from the offering of that bonus by the sportsbook.
Can you tell me what a "bounus whore" is? Is it someone who is enticed to send their $$$ to an anonymous individual in Costa Rica? Is it someone who risks their $$$ with an unregulated sportsbook in a foreign country, meets the rollover requirements, then gets stiffed on the bonus? Is that what a "bonus whore" is?
If bonuses are ruining the industry, I assume that sportsbooks will stop offering them. Why do you suppose that a sportsbook would take on a marketing promotion in order to ruin themselves?
why cant you guys just expect to have 5000 in your account if you deposited 5000?
bonus whores will ruin this industry<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
bart, the expectation that a bonus will be provided flows directly from the offering of that bonus by the sportsbook.
Can you tell me what a "bounus whore" is? Is it someone who is enticed to send their $$$ to an anonymous individual in Costa Rica? Is it someone who risks their $$$ with an unregulated sportsbook in a foreign country, meets the rollover requirements, then gets stiffed on the bonus? Is that what a "bonus whore" is?
If bonuses are ruining the industry, I assume that sportsbooks will stop offering them. Why do you suppose that a sportsbook would take on a marketing promotion in order to ruin themselves?
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Can you tell me what a "bounus whore" is? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
someone who is looking for a place to deposit based on what there bonus will be.....**** that ....if the shitty books have to offer you a bonus to get your business and you take it, stop bitching about their bullshit rules or make a deposit at a reliable place(you know what they are) and at least we will think you went there because they have good numbers or good customer service or whatever the hell is good about them.....dont go to deposit somewhere based solely on the fact you are getting a bonus.....
im sure there will be those that will say....whats wrong with free money....well then if you take it and you get ****ed...we dont want to hear about how they change their rules or this or that....**** that....you took a bonus from a book that needed to entice you to play there with bonuses in the first place...i wonder why....
someone who is looking for a place to deposit based on what there bonus will be.....**** that ....if the shitty books have to offer you a bonus to get your business and you take it, stop bitching about their bullshit rules or make a deposit at a reliable place(you know what they are) and at least we will think you went there because they have good numbers or good customer service or whatever the hell is good about them.....dont go to deposit somewhere based solely on the fact you are getting a bonus.....
im sure there will be those that will say....whats wrong with free money....well then if you take it and you get ****ed...we dont want to hear about how they change their rules or this or that....**** that....you took a bonus from a book that needed to entice you to play there with bonuses in the first place...i wonder why....
It sounds like you think that a bonus whore is also an unscrupulous consumer who selects weak sportsbooks.
I don't see how this ruins the industry.
Can you explain why bonus whores (no matter what definition you choose to assign to this whore) are "ruining" the industry?
In other words, what detriment does the industry suffer due to these "bonus hunters" or "bonus whores"? Is this detriment avoidable? Will there be enough sportsbooks who are able to outsmart the "bonus whore" and allow this industry to survive?
My take on this is that while "bonus whores" may not be helping the industry, there is no danger that they will RUIN the industry.
If bonus whores were ruining even a SINGLE "good" sportsbook, then I assume that they would be shrewd enough to discontinue the bonus. As you put it, only the sh*tbooks are offering bonuses, so I don't understand why the industry suffers even if ALL of these sportsbooks go down the tubes BECAUSE of bonus whores.
I have heard a lot of people say that BONUS WHORES ARE RUINING THE INDUSTRY, but I have heard no explanation for this proposition.
I don't see how this ruins the industry.
Can you explain why bonus whores (no matter what definition you choose to assign to this whore) are "ruining" the industry?
In other words, what detriment does the industry suffer due to these "bonus hunters" or "bonus whores"? Is this detriment avoidable? Will there be enough sportsbooks who are able to outsmart the "bonus whore" and allow this industry to survive?
My take on this is that while "bonus whores" may not be helping the industry, there is no danger that they will RUIN the industry.
If bonus whores were ruining even a SINGLE "good" sportsbook, then I assume that they would be shrewd enough to discontinue the bonus. As you put it, only the sh*tbooks are offering bonuses, so I don't understand why the industry suffers even if ALL of these sportsbooks go down the tubes BECAUSE of bonus whores.
I have heard a lot of people say that BONUS WHORES ARE RUINING THE INDUSTRY, but I have heard no explanation for this proposition.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> If bonus whores were ruining even a SINGLE "good" sportsbook, then I assume that they would be shrewd enough to discontinue the bonus <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
they just go broke,after they have already dipped into the post up's, and close up shop, sometimes stiffing customers in the process
they just go broke,after they have already dipped into the post up's, and close up shop, sometimes stiffing customers in the process
I defend the book as I've done business with them for years now. I've never had any bullshit changes happen to me & I've always been paid promptly. They have even been helpful to me when I entered in something wrong by accident etc.
The book has treated me well & I stand up for it for what they have done for me & what they have to offer to the real gambling consumer not the bonus hunting whores looking to take a quick pop & hope they can cash in on some free dough.
Can any of you honestly tell me if you were running a book you would like to have people sign up, play one casino game to "barely" meet rollovers, stay idle to the exact day they are elligible to withdraw funds & then never come back? If you say yes you are either full of shit or nuts. This person's intentions were so obvious it is pathetic.
The book has treated me well & I stand up for it for what they have done for me & what they have to offer to the real gambling consumer not the bonus hunting whores looking to take a quick pop & hope they can cash in on some free dough.
Can any of you honestly tell me if you were running a book you would like to have people sign up, play one casino game to "barely" meet rollovers, stay idle to the exact day they are elligible to withdraw funds & then never come back? If you say yes you are either full of shit or nuts. This person's intentions were so obvious it is pathetic.
5Dimes is one of the best and safest sportsbooks. Reading through a thread like this one and the other 5dimes thread allows people to find out which posters are ethical and/or reasonable individuals. Some of these individuals include, but are not necessarily limited to: walk of life, halifax, trytrytry, everygamblersdream, froggy, jake thompson, uncle butternutts, david matthews, buddyboy, hache man.
Just my opinions. Some will agree, some will disagree. Everyone has their own opinions.
Just my opinions. Some will agree, some will disagree. Everyone has their own opinions.
I consider a bonus whore a venture capitalist. He is providing money for the ecosystem. Take the bonus whore money out of the ecosystem and guess what happens. Sure there is risk for the bonus whore and the weak book. The bonus whore plays "screws" for money. The book is the John. There is nothing different there than the rest of the big business get ahead world. Anybody, that plays at a book just to get the bonus is indeed a bonus whore. Big Deal.
So, the problem here is the player does not know how or does not want to play the "head" game and is hung up on rules. He didn't give the John what he wanted - he won't come back. Hello! Play the lip service game - give them what they want - look like a stupid schmuck if you have to (wear the hooker clothes). Somebody that screws for money gives up something to get something. They give the John what he wants so he comes back. Then they make more money. It is no different here. If you think you you can get paid for being a bonus whore and not putting out for a while longer when the John asks you to you are wrong!
So, the problem here is the player does not know how or does not want to play the "head" game and is hung up on rules. He didn't give the John what he wanted - he won't come back. Hello! Play the lip service game - give them what they want - look like a stupid schmuck if you have to (wear the hooker clothes). Somebody that screws for money gives up something to get something. They give the John what he wants so he comes back. Then they make more money. It is no different here. If you think you you can get paid for being a bonus whore and not putting out for a while longer when the John asks you to you are wrong!
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Can any of you honestly tell me if you were running a book you would like to have people sign up, play one casino game to "barely" meet rollovers, stay idle to the exact day they are elligible to withdraw funds & then never come back? If you say yes you are either full of shit or nuts. This person's intentions were so obvious it is pathetic. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
If I am the sportsbook, then I would rather see them lose than win.
I assume that if a sportsbook offers a promotion, then they do it with the foresight that they will profit in the event that players take advantage of the promotion. The more people that get hooked on the promotion the better. I just can't think of any other reason why a company would offer a promotion other than to profit from it.
The fact that some solid and successful sportsbooks (like 5 DIMES) continue to offer bonus promotions only confirms that they are profiting from their bonus promotion.
Anyway, I think that it is settled that we agree that this VERY SOLID sportsbook could improve by elucidating its guidelines...about all that I have to say about this shop.
It should not go unmentioned that I am of the firm opinion that 5 DIMES IS A SOLID SPORTSBOOK that none of us should hesitate to play at. I have even heard it described with many superlatives.
Just out of curiosity, do any of you guys think that any and all of the recent criticism and suggestions for improvement are entirely without merit? I am not going to drive it home, just curious. thanks
If I am the sportsbook, then I would rather see them lose than win.
I assume that if a sportsbook offers a promotion, then they do it with the foresight that they will profit in the event that players take advantage of the promotion. The more people that get hooked on the promotion the better. I just can't think of any other reason why a company would offer a promotion other than to profit from it.
The fact that some solid and successful sportsbooks (like 5 DIMES) continue to offer bonus promotions only confirms that they are profiting from their bonus promotion.
Anyway, I think that it is settled that we agree that this VERY SOLID sportsbook could improve by elucidating its guidelines...about all that I have to say about this shop.
It should not go unmentioned that I am of the firm opinion that 5 DIMES IS A SOLID SPORTSBOOK that none of us should hesitate to play at. I have even heard it described with many superlatives.
Just out of curiosity, do any of you guys think that any and all of the recent criticism and suggestions for improvement are entirely without merit? I am not going to drive it home, just curious. thanks
Come on now guys! Saying bonus whores are runing offshore is ridiculous! No one is making these books give away these bonuses. That's like saying consumers are ruining the automobile industry because they are waiting for incentives and rebates instead of buying vehicles at the full price. Maybe books should work on innovative ways of marketing for new customers instead of finding ways to beat players out of their bonuses so they won't have to offer them (not just this case I'm referring to either)
These offshore books live and die by the gamblers point of view. The only way they can catch your eye being overseas is through bonus promotions! Although if a book is a reputable one they really don't have to give away so much! Be aware of books that give away big bonuses, the bigger the bonus the more they need your action ( RED FLAG)! Great books will give you minimum bonuses! Pease tell me what kind of bonuses your local book gives or gave you??
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by go2guy:
Come on now guys! Saying bonus whores are runing offshore is ridiculous! No one is making these books give away these bonuses. That's like saying consumers are ruining the automobile industry because they are waiting for incentives and rebates instead of buying vehicles at the full price. Maybe books should work on innovative ways of marketing for new customers instead of finding ways to beat players out of their bonuses so they won't have to offer them (not just this case I'm referring to either)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Bonus whores ruin the industry when books have people trying to manipulate the rules to get more then they are entitled too which in turn might lead to the suspension or lowering of bonuses to the consumers who are fair & not looking to cheat the system.
This in turn through the chain leads to less people going to lets call them mid level books which leaves a monopoly imo of the industry.
Come on now guys! Saying bonus whores are runing offshore is ridiculous! No one is making these books give away these bonuses. That's like saying consumers are ruining the automobile industry because they are waiting for incentives and rebates instead of buying vehicles at the full price. Maybe books should work on innovative ways of marketing for new customers instead of finding ways to beat players out of their bonuses so they won't have to offer them (not just this case I'm referring to either)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Bonus whores ruin the industry when books have people trying to manipulate the rules to get more then they are entitled too which in turn might lead to the suspension or lowering of bonuses to the consumers who are fair & not looking to cheat the system.
This in turn through the chain leads to less people going to lets call them mid level books which leaves a monopoly imo of the industry.
I agree with hamneggs totally. I play mostly at a book that has no bonus structure as such (Olympic) and do not seek nor care about bonuses, but it is not the player's fault the sportsbook offers a to lure in the player. I understand each side's view on this issue. A couple of people have assumed active meant wagering every day, or some variation thereof. I consider myself to be reasonably educated and I don't attach any such definition to active. Whenever I have seen those rules and regs, I always attached the most meaning to the rollover requirement b/c if you are truly after the bonus you can wager numerous ways to reach the day requirement. Active to me honestly meant (prior to this thread of course) that the account had not been closed by the sportsbook. So under my definition, merely leaving the money in there would have been above and beyond the call of duty to earn the bonus. Maybe he was after the bonus, but so what? You mean to tell me it's his fault b/c they lure him in with a bonus and then jerk it away on a technicallity that is nowhere defined on the site. Not everyone is a professional gambler and has these definitions ingrained in them. If bonus whores are ruining the industry it is not there fault. Don't blame the creation, blame the creator.
