I put boxing over wrestling/bjj....just my opinion. As for James Toney, he was never fast on his feet. It all comes done to be able to take someone done. It is not that easy for some. I was thinking this today.....out of all the MMA fighters I have ever seen, only one guy comes to mind that would be impossible to submit and very close to impossible to take down...Arlovski. Chuck too, but he was submitted before
Wow, just wow. Hardly any of this is correct. You really need to study up on the art of fighting and martial arts. Shit was going on way before boxing here. Take a trip to Thailand, Korea, anywhere in the Far East, and holla back.
Bottom line is I will take a wrestler and a BJJ artist over a boxer in a fight any day of the week. Mayweather would pick me apart in a boxing ring, but I would gladly let him punch me in a cage, and then take him down and choke him out.
Conor McGregor "legacy" of the UFC. LMAO! Dude is not even that good and far from a legacy.
Your boy Kevy thinks last night was rigged. I thought you were better than that now, Mob.
We know you're a boxing guy, and I respect it and your opinion, but it's clear to see what is dominating and evolving as the style to beat, and that is submission wrestling. A lot don't like it, just like some of my friends think ground game is boring, but it's true and a straight up boxer is getting dominated in a MMA fight a majority of the time. Most think Mayweather is the greatest of all time, but I'll bet my house he can't get up when I take him down. Then what? His weak ass punches ain't knocking me out before I get him there, either.
Ok but you still aren't making a difference on what I said. The first post of this thread is conor is ufcs biggest star in history. There's no way around it?
That's my whole point. How can you have a star that isn't even good? He should be a boxer. He has length. But he isn't going to take down top guys and he isn't going to submit many. So why ufc? Because the details in boxing are way more percise. You can be sloppy in ufc and get away with it. Diaz was throwing wideeeee right hands last night. A true boxer would of eaten those slow wide shots up. McGregor is a clown and that tells you the UFC is better than this....or I would hope they are. But I doubt it. Silva the spider guy lost the exact same way as mcgregor. ..just saying. Kind of fishy. I'm not saying these fights were rigged but you would have to be an idiot to think none of these fights are rigged. Just like saying boxing hasn't had some rigged fights. Especially before the sport got so popular
Rigged, no. Judging suspect, yes. The 2 Co-Mains last night weren't rigged, though, that is for sure. It makes zero sense for them to be either. The results they got last night made me smile, but it wasn't what Ole Dana wanted for his pocketbook.
Of course you can be sloppy in UFC and get away with it, because when your ground game is elite and better than your stand up, you can even be "sloppy" to lure someone in for the take down. You do realize guys, including myself, will throw something crazy high too set up the shoot in for the take down. can your boxer sprawl? doubt it...
As for the thread title, Conor may have made the largest single purse for a fight, so maybe money wise he may be the biggest, but he's nowhere near the greatest skill wise or accomplishment wise. Conor didn't deserve the shots he got to begin with as there are numerous guys that have put in way more mileage than he has and more deserving. With that said, if they give him Franky Edgar next, I'm pounding that + money on Frankie.
Of course you can be sloppy in UFC and get away with it, because when your ground game is elite and better than your stand up, you can even be "sloppy" to lure someone in for the take down. You do realize guys, including myself, will throw something crazy high too set up the shoot in for the take down. can your boxer sprawl? doubt it...
As for the thread title, Conor may have made the largest single purse for a fight, so maybe money wise he may be the biggest, but he's nowhere near the greatest skill wise or accomplishment wise. Conor didn't deserve the shots he got to begin with as there are numerous guys that have put in way more mileage than he has and more deserving. With that said, if they give him Franky Edgar next, I'm pounding that + money on Frankie.
I'll take a Muay Thai kickboxer minus the kicks over a pure boxer any day as well.
I didn't get to see the fight last night minus the Diaz fight due to working a local MMA show, so I don't know about last night, nor have I heard of any, but overall, there is some suspect judging, and it's mainly at the higher levels. However, imo, some of it is due to using the 10 point must system like boxing, and there are talks of going to a .5 point type system eventually, along with same day weigh-ins. I am a fan of both.
Yep. a lof of "houses and farms" lost. lol I'm eating cupcakes and drinking Budweisers in my red boxers.
The 25 minutes of MMA compared to the 36 min of boxing...The 25 minutes is way harder on the stamina of a fighter. First, 5 minute rounds (amateurs in MMA do 3 min., though). Trying for take downs, defending take downs, trying to get up from take downs, is way more exhausting that throwing and avoiding punches.
Now I'm not trying to take away from boxers stamina because you have to have it, but I'd much rather only have to exert energy to avoid and throw punches than to deal with take downs and ground game too...
I didn't bet on the fights but if I had big money available I would have won the holms fight and lost the mcgregor...didn't see him losing but just shows you ANYONE can win once you get to the big name...Lot of overhype media attention(just like any sport) but when its 1 on 1 its a bit different...Dictates the line...IMO
It's not fairy tale at all. I know a lot of Thai boxers that take fights as boxing only to stay active. Also, look at Muay Thai fighters versus boxers. Most Thai fighters have Hundreds of pro fights, hundreds, compared to what Mayweathers 50ish. Granted he had like 80 something or so ammy fights, but still...
The clinch game of Thai boxing is way more efficient than the clinch game of boxing. Granted, we need a ref that will let them fight...
MMA guys mainly do Thai because it is also greater than boxing.
