comment on "alleged Fixed race" @ Finger Lakes

[JimFiestSux]

Eclipse,
If a corporation has their quarterly meeting and a President or vice president knows whats going to be said in their quarterly and go out and buy 100,000 shares before the meeting knowing that their stock will go up after this meeting! IS THIS LEGAL?? Cause its being done all the time!

 

[BoratSagdiyev]

I go and talk to the trainer and she say that "no" it was not fix.

 

[appolo]

Thank You for the welcome General!!

 

[crazylarry+]

Hey JIMFIESTSUX you must be an owner or in with a sportsbook some way somehow. In the sport of horse racing you try to make money by your horse winning. You also can make money by betting on your horse. Maybe you didnt know how this game is played. Let me school you alittle for a minute. Do you know who AZERI is? Do you know who MADCAPESCAPADE is? HMMMMM!!! AZERI went off at 17-1 first time out and MADCAPESCAPED went off at 16-1. If I owned AZERI I would mortgage my house and beg borrow and steal to bet that filly offshore and get 17-1 is that fixxed no it was a hot first time starter and thats all this was. Last time i looked it wasnt in the rules of racing to tell everyone how your first time starter is going to run. Come on JIMFEISTSUX I know you have to be a little bit more smarter than that.

 

[duster]

hey jimfeist sux, i bet the race. i am one of the betters involved here. first off, when you compare football and the stock market to horse racing you bring back the judge from the O.J. trial. that is your comparing apple's and orange's and a whole lot of shit on your brain. i could really care less about temple football because they have sucked for as long as i can remember. and by the way, do you really think that your buddy who told you the quarter back was sick was doing you a big favor. hell, i dont know anybody who is or was dumb enough to bet temple at all. do you get it, any body with any common sense either bets against temple or stays away from the game. if your one of those guy's who nobody at a race track gives you a hot horse, then maybe your just looking for good reasons to be against me here. that's fine, because lucky for you, stupidity is not a crime. so please get your head out of your ass and take in all the facts here. (please tell me you have read all the facts)

 

[ellenwisdom]

if you need people to tell bet on horses you have no chance in the long run

 

[JimFiestSux]

Crazy Larry,
Azeri, lol, we're talking a 7200 claimer named Hes Vivid. Mortgage your house,lol, you'd lose no matter who you pick anyhow! I'm not involved in any bookmaking or offshore book! I'm a player too and I know that it was known by a few people that this horse was going to win! Hence there was inside info that he benefited from! Wish he did it to a few locals and then things might be different!

Herman Jones,
I'm not talking bout apples and oranges, I'm talking bout a couple guys who duped the system. What are your average wagers on horses compared what you bet on Hes Vivid?? I'm sure there was a big difference! No I don't bet Temple but if someone tells me a starting QB isn't even 50% then I'll bet the other side EVERY TIME! Opening up to 15 offshore accounts to bet a Finger Lakes horse, congradulations, you beat the system! If you bet for yourself only, good for you but I'm sure there are other people involved like maybe the female trainer or jockey?? Bottom line is if you placed those wagers legally you would've had a return of 2.10 on every 2 you placed! Oh by the way I was given many "HOT HORSE TIPS" most don't pan out but when a jockey gives you a tip BET IT !! Trainers and Owners give tips but I'd rather have it from the guy on the horses back! Hey did the Jock tell you to bet it??

 

[crazylarry+]

Jim that doesnt matter. If he bet for John Gotti, who cares the point is it was a first time starter. A hot horse, there is no crime there. Maybe he owned the horse told the trainer keep quiet and you will get a big bonus. There is nothing wrong with that. Did you even look at the form of that race JIMFEIST. There was a horse shipping in from gulfstream park that was dropping down from claiming 16000 to claiming 4000 at fingerlakes now who is going to be the favorite. My hat goes off to them for making money the legal way in this VERY HARD BUSINESS OF GAMBLING. And like i stated before the books that dont pay them I will help blacklist and get the word out and they will lose all kinds of business because these guys did nothing wrong and should get every last dollar coming to them for keeping a hot horse quiet. CONGRADULATION BOYS!!!!!

 

[crazylarry+]

JIMFEISTSUX, did you even understand what I meant about AZERI. If you owned that filly and nobody knew about her wouldnt you bet all you could on her. She was a lead pipe cinch and im sure her connections knew she was a pipe. They kept it quiet. She really did go off at 17-1 first time out, im sure people made alot of money. Hey JIMFEISTSUX you are right HES VIVID is just a claimer at Fingerlakes Race Track but he was equivalent to Azeri compared to those bad horses. THINK ABOUT IT.

 

[JimFiestSux]

Crazy,
I not only handicapped the race I had a 20$ saver on the only firster in the race! I had the heavy favorite too! These were horses going 4 and a half furlongs for the first time! The race looked like shit on paper and I always save myself with a small bet on any firster in a race loaded with previous runners! Hey thats cool if he is connected to the horse somehow! Has Hes vivid run again?? Lets see how he runs next time out! Time wise, class, strategy, etc!

 

[fgorshin]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JimFiestSux:
Crazy Larry,
Azeri, lol, we're talking a 7200 claimer named Hes Vivid. Mortgage your house,lol, you'd lose no matter who you pick anyhow! I'm not involved in any bookmaking or offshore book! I'm a player too and I know that it was known by a few people that this horse was going to win! Hence there was inside info that he benefited from! Wish he did it to a few locals and then things might be different!

Herman Jones,
I'm not talking bout apples and oranges, I'm talking bout a couple guys who duped the system. What are your average wagers on horses compared what you bet on Hes Vivid?? I'm sure there was a big difference! No I don't bet Temple but if someone tells me a starting QB isn't even 50% then I'll bet the other side EVERY TIME! Opening up to 15 offshore accounts to bet a Finger Lakes horse, congradulations, you beat the system! If you bet for yourself only, good for you but I'm sure there are other people involved like maybe the female trainer or jockey?? Bottom line is if you placed those wagers legally you would've had a return of 2.10 on every 2 you placed! Oh by the way I was given many "HOT HORSE TIPS" most don't pan out but when a jockey gives you a tip BET IT !! Trainers and Owners give tips but I'd rather have it from the guy on the horses back! Hey did the Jock tell you to bet it??<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

 

[fgorshin]

Jim, the one thing that bothers me the most is your constant refferencing to " local books" You said, "wish he did it to a few locals and things would be different". What is that suspose to mean?? Are LOCAL books too stupid to lay into the pool if they over-extend themselves??? Should the bettors be shot because they won?? Or , did you mean, that gambling has ties to organized crime???? WHAT THE HELL DO YOU MEAN???? what about the "cement shoes" and the "Hudson River".... what was that commentary all about????? Stick to the facts, Gumshoe, and stop watching the Sopranos.... That tough talk doesn't earn any respect here.......

 

[JimFiestSux]

fgorshin,
No tough talking here buddy! Not a Soprano issue they are pussies!What I'm trying to say is ANY Wrongdoing (WHICH THERE WAS HERE, OPENING ALL THESE OFFSHORE ACCOUNTS TO BET THIS PIG)would piss off alot of locals if it had been done to them! I was always told cause I knew alot of players and trainers and jockeys that if I was involved in ANY wrongdoing me and my family better dissappear.I deal with 7 different locals and respect their feelings! I'm still waiting to hear the amounts they bet on other horses offshore, guarantee its alot less than they bet on Hes Vivid! When does this horse run again??

 

[JimFiestSux]

fgorshin,
Whats your comments from Burned over at Major Wager posted on this subject! Thats coming straight from the horses mouth!

 

[duster]

jim fiestsux, people did know about he's vivid, so many that i was afraid word would get out and kill the price. as for betting a few local's, i don't know where you come from but it's the local's that would get it if they did'nt pay in this kind of situation. how can you say we should disapear, when all we did is bet the shit out of a hot horse. trust me, the local's would be in trouble if they did'nt pay. as for my other wagers offshore, they are considerable, not on on a every day basis you can bet like we did on vivid. if you go over to major wager. com , you will see one of my post that say's in detail how we bet a horse last year at thisledowns for more than we bet on vivid. the horse lost and we took it like men. we did'nt cry, we did'nt ask for our money back, nor did we get any phone calls from books saying they would refund our funds. please go read that. jimfiestsux, you may be a player,but you are not a jedi yet luke. the trainer did'nt bet a cent on the race, and the jockey did'nt know anything. as for temple football, please check out somehow what they are against the spread since your buddies day's. i am sure it is well below 50%. as for you getting inside info about the temple QB being sick, temple was probably getting 50 points or so. what im saying is temple is the kind of team that you either bet against or don't bet the game at all. info was'nt needed to bet against them in my opinion. what is this betting the horse legally bullshit, we placed our bets legally offshore and that's that. i know that you mean bet the horse at the track being legal, but we still did things legally.

 

[NICKYTHEFISH]

Neither bettors or bookmakers will dissappear.Those days are gone for the most part maybe a few instances but people are too quick to run to the feds.

 

[JimFiestSux]

"LOCALS WOULD BE IN TROUBLE IF THEY DIDN'T PAY",lol, yeah OK! They would teach you a lesson buddy! You knew this horse was a winner from the get go! Thats why you supposedly spread 14 dimes around on him! You bet this horse legally,lol, OK where were the bets placed from?? US?? If so ILLEGAL buddy!

 

[JimFiestSux]

And Moron Temple football was Ok back in 81, thats when I'm talking about! Not now, I wouldn't bet them with that stolen money you recieved from Offshore on your precious horse! You have yet to tell me when this pig is running again! He'll probably be 1-30 lifetime!

 

[duster]

temple football has always sucked!!!!!!!!!!! it would seem here that johny ringo is a uneducated man. (from the movie tombstone) if, back in the day, a local book did not pay a bet off, no mater how hot the horse, it would be him that would be in trouble. not the better there sonny. please go ask somebody with 1/2 a brain. you see sonny, when you had your debt collected, you woold then have to pay a service fee for such a service. please come back to reality, your talking out of your ass. as for illegal, it would be illegal if a local book took your action. that means the book is doing something illegal, not the better. in the case of a offshore book taking your business, i am doing nothing illegal, nor is the offshore book because it is licensed where ever it operates. i did consult with a attorney before i got into all this MORON!!!!!!!!!

 

[duster]

by the way the horse is running in the 8th race on sunday. also, yes, i did think the horse had a very good chance of winning. why else would i bet that big. oh, i may have been a little wrong on the illegal part of my last post. it may be illegal, but not a crime. i must check that out a little bit more with my man. either way , is everybody goin to the big house who bets offshore. if so, there gonna have to build alot more jails.