Obviously you failed to READ this thread in it's ENTIRETY. Otherwise I posted FACTUAL DATA in regards to fixes.
My logic? I never stated everything was fixed. I stated that I do believe their ARE fixes in ALL professional sports. They have articles about it and being fixed and factual evidence that it HAS been done. To think none exist? I believe you're an imbecile in the highest form. I dont buy picks. I dont need to. I've seen enough to know MY logic is pretty good. Yours on the otherhand? I guess your logic tells you that we're the only life in the universe because no one has yet to prove other life exists outside our own galaxy?
Not arguing either side. I can see both sides, but do believe the NFL does things in the best interests of itself.
Some things to ponder for the nay sayers though...
why are all heads of NFL Security formerly FBI?
why does the FBI drop every investigation into 'illegal' activities in the NFL?
why does the IRS care, while FBI doesn't?
why is the NFL "for entertainment purposes only"?
Some things to ponder for the nay sayers though...
why are all heads of NFL Security formerly FBI?
why does the FBI drop every investigation into 'illegal' activities in the NFL?
why does the IRS care, while FBI doesn't?
why is the NFL "for entertainment purposes only"?
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica, sans-serif]Super Bowl XXX: Cowboys cornerback Larry Brown intercepts Neil O'Donnell -- there was no Steeler receiver even near the ball -- with four minutes remaining and returns the ball 33 yards to the 6-yard line, setting up the clinching TD in Dallas' 27-17 win over Pittsburgh.[/FONT]
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Dallas was favored by 13.5, and despite O'Donnell's best efforts, the Steelers covered. And, despite this obvious fix, Neil went on to sign a big contract with the Jets ensuring he never had to worry about money again.
The fix paid off!
And the best part about the fix is that it strikes some high volume games, but not others! It is like a rattlesnake in the bushes or a wild animal at the zoo, you never know when it will hit!
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Dallas was favored by 13.5, and despite O'Donnell's best efforts, the Steelers covered. And, despite this obvious fix, Neil went on to sign a big contract with the Jets ensuring he never had to worry about money again.
The fix paid off!
And the best part about the fix is that it strikes some high volume games, but not others! It is like a rattlesnake in the bushes or a wild animal at the zoo, you never know when it will hit!
Interesting choice of words, "successfully". Who determines if it's successful or not?
the original post about the SD/DEN game being fixed is ludicrous. decker was not home free and just fell. he had weaved in and of traffic and lost balance. nothing uncommon. the catch in the end zone was good defense and a hard catch. no fix.
however, there have been proven cases of point shaving where the players have admitted so in major college and pro sports. i don't think it is something that happens much, but to say it doesn't happen would be very naive of history and big money. i personally haven't seen much i think is, but i wouldn't die of shock if something was discovered.
however, there have been proven cases of point shaving where the players have admitted so in major college and pro sports. i don't think it is something that happens much, but to say it doesn't happen would be very naive of history and big money. i personally haven't seen much i think is, but i wouldn't die of shock if something was discovered.
Whether shady things happen in the world of the NFL is one thing, but to suggest “Vegas” or the “Books” have something to do with it is simply absurd. Everything is a conspiracy with some people….
As I have mentioned in previous posts on the topic, I’m a financial consultant and have worked with some of the largest gaming and resort conglomerates in the world.
Sports wagering is so far down on their radar, its non-existent. The books take is anywhere from 4.5%-5.5% on sports betting, which pales in comparison to all other gaming offered by the casino ranging from 10-30%, with the exception of slots at 6-8%. However, the handle on slots is usually 35-45 the times of the sports book. The beloved sports book, in all their mystical conspiracies, only makes up 0.4-1.5% of the gaming profit, which usually just gets lumped into the “other” category due to the insignificance of this number. The number becomes even less significant once all other revenue streams are factored in by said company.
I have never even heard of sports betting mentioned as an agenda item in any planning, budgeting or forecasting meeting with company leadership. It’s an add on, an attraction, which is an insignificant line item on their books buried so deep most couldn’t even find it. The casino is more likely to be involved in a major linen or glassware scandal then anything involving sports, as the price of towels, sheets, plates and glasses probably hits their radar more than sports wagering.
The big four table games blackjack, baccarat, craps and roulette along with slots take in anywhere from 70-80 times more profit then the sports book. Once again, these figures only represent the “gaming” portion of revenue and profit, which is one line item of hundreds for these monster companies. To put it in a bit more perspective, one of the largest outfits Vegas locations take in eight times more profit on alcohol sales than the sportsbook.
As for professional NFL players, I just don’t see it in today’s game. What’s the incentive? Eric Decker makes over $500,000/year, is set to sign a 5-6 year $40-60 million contract and is married to a successful country singer who makes over seven figures a year.
What do you think the cost would be to get him to throw the game or keep the game within the number? More importantly, why would you pay a WR that type of cash and then wager an even more significant figure when the wideout could try their damnedest to throw it or keep it tight and still not have a significant impact on the outcome?
I could see a referee, maybe, a college player certainly, as there is plenty of incentive there.
Just my $0.02
As I have mentioned in previous posts on the topic, I’m a financial consultant and have worked with some of the largest gaming and resort conglomerates in the world.
Sports wagering is so far down on their radar, its non-existent. The books take is anywhere from 4.5%-5.5% on sports betting, which pales in comparison to all other gaming offered by the casino ranging from 10-30%, with the exception of slots at 6-8%. However, the handle on slots is usually 35-45 the times of the sports book. The beloved sports book, in all their mystical conspiracies, only makes up 0.4-1.5% of the gaming profit, which usually just gets lumped into the “other” category due to the insignificance of this number. The number becomes even less significant once all other revenue streams are factored in by said company.
I have never even heard of sports betting mentioned as an agenda item in any planning, budgeting or forecasting meeting with company leadership. It’s an add on, an attraction, which is an insignificant line item on their books buried so deep most couldn’t even find it. The casino is more likely to be involved in a major linen or glassware scandal then anything involving sports, as the price of towels, sheets, plates and glasses probably hits their radar more than sports wagering.
The big four table games blackjack, baccarat, craps and roulette along with slots take in anywhere from 70-80 times more profit then the sports book. Once again, these figures only represent the “gaming” portion of revenue and profit, which is one line item of hundreds for these monster companies. To put it in a bit more perspective, one of the largest outfits Vegas locations take in eight times more profit on alcohol sales than the sportsbook.
As for professional NFL players, I just don’t see it in today’s game. What’s the incentive? Eric Decker makes over $500,000/year, is set to sign a 5-6 year $40-60 million contract and is married to a successful country singer who makes over seven figures a year.
What do you think the cost would be to get him to throw the game or keep the game within the number? More importantly, why would you pay a WR that type of cash and then wager an even more significant figure when the wideout could try their damnedest to throw it or keep it tight and still not have a significant impact on the outcome?
I could see a referee, maybe, a college player certainly, as there is plenty of incentive there.
Just my $0.02
And polls are used now to prove the truth? Are you kidding me? If you had asked white folks in the Deep South, back in the 50s, whether segregation was fair and befitting our Constitution, 80-90% would have said "yes". Polls are useless for the mere fact that 99% of us don't have any inside info about whether pro sports is fixed or not. You certainly are part of that 99%. I would like to see your "facts" put before an unbiased 3rd party, or a court of law. You've got nothing except your fantasies and disgruntlement with losing a bet you felt you should have won.
Point shaving does happen, but it is the rare exception. Donaghy got caught as others would too.
ok you're a fucking dope. I never stated anywhere polls were factual. I used it to show more ppl THINK there are fixes over those that don't. Yet I hear if you know there are fixes or believe there are, why watch the games? So over 70% believe and rating prove NFL is one of the top programs to watch on TV.
Why bring up the polls if they give nothing to the argument? And by the way, Mr. Wizard, your name calling throughout this thread is proof that you have nothing. Name calling is the last refuge for frauds and little children. What's next, are you going to grab your ball and go home with it? Your whole argument of proving that point fixing is NOT happening is not the way it works. The accusation comes first: you, Johnny Mags and other conspiracy minded folks have informed us how prevalent it is in pro and college sports. Since it was your accusation- the proof is yours to uncover. Not assumptions and wing-nut theories, but some proof. With as many people as would have to be involved, something, SOMETHING would reach the ears of the authorities. Lifetime bans would be rampant, fans would be furious, jail sentences would be given out on a regular basis, and it would be a huge story in the media. Give it up wizard, and join a nice cult. They'll all believe you there.
OK here I am .... There was no running and hiding I had some work to finish then come home. I also met some friends at the local to take in some happy hour. Sorry I didn't know I was on call.
As for the simple word ..... Your not going to like this .... "POSSIBLY"
I've seen too many things in all walks of life to take a position that it's absolutely on the level. Too many people that could be a culprit to declare everyone a saint.
Having said that my attitude when I watch games is never this game is fixed. I've lost on some pretty lame stuff yet I never come out yelling fix. I just thought with a week of nothing until Sunday it would be an interesting topic.
I can understand people having strong views depending on how they feel but I don't understand how controversial subjects and I don't just mean this cause people to get so involved they have to resort to name calling and insults.
I found it very interesting reading the accounts of all the things that happened in different games. The SD/Pitt TD reversal is one that actually made me a lot of money but it was what I at the time considered a miracle.
Lots of people when they are handicapping a game include things that imply manipulation. How many times do you hear people say the NFL doesn't want to see that match up?
Not to change the subject OR SAY THERE"S A FIX but here's something along that line to consider. The NFL can't be very excited about the possibility of New England in the Super Bowl. The host city generates ton's of revenue from the fans of the teams in the Bowl. With New England being so close there would be a lot of day trippers which would effect the bottom line. I know now I'm gonna hear that doesn't matter that much but really it does.
I will be meeting my GF at 8:00 so I have to take a shower before leaving I wouldn't want certain individuals thinking I'm hiding. I can't do this 24/7.
As for the simple word ..... Your not going to like this .... "POSSIBLY"
I've seen too many things in all walks of life to take a position that it's absolutely on the level. Too many people that could be a culprit to declare everyone a saint.
Having said that my attitude when I watch games is never this game is fixed. I've lost on some pretty lame stuff yet I never come out yelling fix. I just thought with a week of nothing until Sunday it would be an interesting topic.
I can understand people having strong views depending on how they feel but I don't understand how controversial subjects and I don't just mean this cause people to get so involved they have to resort to name calling and insults.
I found it very interesting reading the accounts of all the things that happened in different games. The SD/Pitt TD reversal is one that actually made me a lot of money but it was what I at the time considered a miracle.
Lots of people when they are handicapping a game include things that imply manipulation. How many times do you hear people say the NFL doesn't want to see that match up?
Not to change the subject OR SAY THERE"S A FIX but here's something along that line to consider. The NFL can't be very excited about the possibility of New England in the Super Bowl. The host city generates ton's of revenue from the fans of the teams in the Bowl. With New England being so close there would be a lot of day trippers which would effect the bottom line. I know now I'm gonna hear that doesn't matter that much but really it does.
I will be meeting my GF at 8:00 so I have to take a shower before leaving I wouldn't want certain individuals thinking I'm hiding. I can't do this 24/7.
"Parking tickets" have been "fixed" since the invention of the automobile......This sort-of thing (fixing) occurs in all facets of life. Is it wide-spread in sporting events ? Probably not; Most people (including jocks) are fundamentally honest and want no part of breaking the law. It takes a lot of effort to deliberately fix a sporting event...there must be a betting-line on and a place to make the wagers (plenty of books are available) and a conspiracy is more than likely and bets must be made (big one's involving lots-of-money)....A lot of the players, Refs, coaches (highly unlikely), mobsters, and maybe even cheerleads who expose a little too much (you know what) to intentionally distract a player could be involved; It has to be worth the risk.
Here is something that never got out in the NFL. Never made headlines on ESPN. Jim Haslett got a cheerleader pregnant while coaching the Saints. He paid her off. Now why wasnt this headline news? If everyone involved kept it under the table then surely a fix could be kept secret. Players sleeping with other players wives etc. There is alot that goes on behind closed doors that the NFL doesnt want to get out.
I don't mean to become a Johnny come lately and I might have missed this url in this thread.
This has some dated material. Scroll down a little for the text
http://www.uncoveror.com/footballrigged.htm
This has some dated material. Scroll down a little for the text
http://www.uncoveror.com/footballrigged.htm
I think we can all agree that referees can play a part in controlling the outcome of a game. So then the question becomes do they make certain calls on purpose to affect the game or are they just making unbiased calls. In the nba, shortly after cuban bought the mavs he was very vocal about the officiating in the nba and even said that alot of games outcomes are predetermined. He was fined often and did community work. Then some years later a nba ref gets busted for fixing games and writes a book about it and says there are other officials still fixing games. How can it not be much of a stretch to believe some nfl games are fixed as well? One Nfl game that stands out the most for me and I think has been mentioned is the seattle pittsburgh superbowl..I won money on pittsburgh but the bad officiating or biased officiating (depends on your viewpoint) started right away with a bogus PI on seattle....Seemingly every big offensive play by seattle was called back with a holding penalty. The coach of seattle was fined after the game for saying he didnt know they had to beat the officials also..
