CHEATING in the NFL - Does anyone care?

[SaintsFan1977]

The odds of all these "corruptions" kept silent for all these years are about the same odds as the Easter Bunny hopping up to the ticket window on Easter morning. There are too many people involved, and too much at stake, for fixes to be anything but a very rare event. We all need a lesson in probability here. It might help in your wagering success.

Right because conspiracies like the Gulf of Tonkin among others all came out like what? 40 years later? None of those secrets made it out until it no longer mattered.

Sports is a big deal. If the NFL was found to be fixed with actual proof, it wouldn't be covered by ESPN FOX, CBS, NC, NFL, or any other affiliate. The whole empire would collapse and they can't have that. Look at all the point shaving that happens in college and yet none of these kids are looking to bust open the NCAA. Why? Because they stand to lose everything.

 

[MotorCityMadman]

Are you really that thick? Just do a google search.

That's all you say. SEARCH ! Post it for us. A PRO player in the NFL or NBA who was accused or convicted of point shaving or fixing a game.

 

[MotorCityMadman]

I'm reluctant to add anymore to my thread because it seems like I'm doing what some recurring comments are saying and that's no.1 imply this thread is the result of me losing money and no. 2 that I'm convinced Decker was fixing the game. I have stated more than once that those things are not my motive. All I started out saying is when something looks so odd there should be questions. People who want to believe they know everything use the logic there's no proof so it can't be happening. Here's some information that addresses that logic.
The notion that these players make too much money to consider some kind of tampering doesn't address the fact that what the players make is relative. Many players spend the huge paychecks like they will never end. In addition when their careers do end more players than not have to find a new source of income. Who better than Peyton Manning shows how lots of money is never enough and that any player is open to extra money. Not many make more than him yet there he is adding to his worth making commercial after commercial. Every player isn't offered lucrative commercial opportunities. When I say what they make is relative how about police? They may not make a fortune but to them it's all they have. It's how they make a living and losing that living is just as important to them. Am I out of line if I say police and judges taking bribes isn't unusual? Take it a step further - Politicians and Lawyers. They make a lot of money. Are we willing to say none of them are on the take or are making back room deals? Do I have to say anything other than Wall Street when it comes to investment banking? Corruption is not uncommon in many walks of life yet for some reason people are reluctant to consider it a possibility when it comes to athletes. Someone mentioned that the use of performance enhancing drugs is to perform better as if that isn't cheating. Lance Armstrong ring a bell? The point is it's still cheating and once you accept the reality that an athlete has the mentality to cheat for money how do you qualify that saying they only cheat to win?

As far as how it could be done a player doesn't even have to be approached to have a motive. When you make lots of money like these athletes your friends and family often show up needing/wanting handouts. Players can't afford to help people endlessly but suppose just one or two out of the 1000's of players tells someone I'll see what I can do to keep the score down Sunday. No gangsters involved, no money changing hands easy for the player to think no one gets hurt, I can't get caught? No guarantees just the possibility that if the opportunity presents itself and the situations right a bounce may go your way. I could do better if I knew I had that advantage.
How about coaches? Who hasn't witnessed coaches intentionally running up scores to keep alumni and supporters happy? People can say that's not really cheating but when a person knows there's a concerted effort to cover a point spread they have an advantage. When only certain people have that advantage that is cheating. In other words if the motive is to effect the score thereby effecting wagers its tampering/cheating end of story.

I know I wrote a lot here but hey what else am I going to do here at work? Actually work? This isn't a big conspiracy layout it's just saying the chances that no player on every play in every game isn't doing something fishy is a concept that has doubt. Is it not possible that Eric Decker told his girlfriends Uncle Barney if I can I'll keep the score close?

ALL FLUFF ! Great case for people who believe in the tooth fairy.

 

[Acebb]

or if I didn't have eyes!

@)

Right, because people on "the right side of the fix" make multiple threads whining about the win like all the time.

Anyway, I'm just glad that Decker was bought off and executed this grand scheme that remember, never comes out because it is totally like the government burying secrets and stuff! decided, I'm going to shave these points in the most blatant way possible! I bet those whales taking the Chargers were super happy about the way it all unfolded on national TV...

And now that some Internet sleuth uncovered this all for us, every time I watch a running back drop an easy screen pass (happened twice in the Saints/Seattle game by Saints players yet they covered, shaving plot foiled!) or a wide receiver drop and easy catch (Megatron kind of does this all the time) I'm going to smile at the TV knowing they are bought off.

 

[TyBounce]

wow. have you ever watched sports. several major college and pro athletes have admitted shaving points. jack sickma did it in the 70's. you aren't knowledgeable on this subject.

When did Jack Sickma admit this ? It must have been well after the statute of limitations expired.

I did a google search jack sikma shaving points and the only thing i found was an accusation that he and another player shaved points for cocaine and a district attorney brought charges but the case fell apart during the grand jury phase and the only conviction was a drug charge to a bartender.

It would have been very ballsy of him to admit it after that but maybe he did.

He DID admit to giving info to a gambler about teamate terry cummings playing in a game when the Bucks had listed him as out , but thats not a fix , thats just inside information.

...I'm not saying i dont believe you , just saying i couldnt find anything other than accusations.

 

[Acebb]

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The line on the game was Steelers - 3.5

Fix?

Incompetence?

I've scoured Google, no admission by Smith he shaved those points!

 

[wizard1183]

Since when does the fixes have to come to fruition? A ref can send a "runner" to bet for him just as a coach or a player. The "runner" would not even have to know if there's plans for a fix. Just to place the bet. Making millions a yr has nothing to do with it. Its just an "incentive" if he places a bet that he's pretty sure can cover the points or total...

 

[s4shadow]

NFL players are NOT point shaving...it would be way TOO obvious. (and I'm somewhat of a conspiracy theorist at times)..I do believe that NBA superstars get favorable calls and if a game is close enough..you might get on David Stern's good side to force a game 7 with a couple of "no calls" or something during the game. But the NBA/NFL isn't fixed (with the exception of the Tim Donaghy scandle). IF...there IS something going on, it would have to be in college basketball. We've seen point shaving scandals in the past (Arizona St, Toledo). I believe this most likely goes on today. Think about it: You only need 1 player that knows he isn't going to get drafted in the NBA. That player isn't making any money. You could pay him a couple of grand and say, "Hey, maybe instead of winning by 30 tonight, you win by 25?"..I think this is MUCH more likely...and hard to "SEE" with the naked eye. You could do it simply by not playing great defense down the stretch and giving up a couple of layups or something. Anyway, if it happens anywhere it's college basketball.

 

[wizard1183]

http://www.moldea.com/gamefixing.html

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3158326

For no fixing to ever take place, gambling seems to override. You dont often hear MANY stories on it, but theyre out there.

 

[s4shadow]

http://www.moldea.com/gamefixing.html

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3158326

For no fixing to ever take place, gambling seems to override. You dont often hear MANY stories on it, but theyre out there.

 

[wizard1183]

Thank you! That about sums of up the if and when portion of it.

 

[r.a.]

I don't know what the percentage is for the people who watch NFL football and gamble on the outcome. What is perhaps being underestimated in that calculation is the number of people who are in fantasy football leagues and office pools. Fantasy football has become an enormous pastime and almost always there are fees paid to be participants ... so a form of gambling based on the performance of the athletes participating. There are people who participate in these leagues who don't know whether the ball is pumped up or stuffed but gladly follows the games to see how the players they chose for their teams are doing ... and paying to do so.

 

[MotorCityMadman]

Thank you! That about sums of up the if and when portion of it.

The guy is a writer. That's his point of view.

The most controversial allegation in my 1989 book, Interference: How Organized Crime Influences Professional Football (William Morrow), is that over seventy NFL games have been fixed. Despite the evidence, league officials have long claimed that no professional football game has ever been successfully fixed since the creation of the NFL in 1920. Of course, any admission to the contrary would jeopardize the public's perception of "the integrity of the game."
The following is the untold story of how I developed the information about eight of these allegedly fixed games:

 

[MotorCityMadman]

http://www.moldea.com/gamefixing.html

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3158326

For no fixing to ever take place, gambling seems to override. You dont often hear MANY stories on it, but theyre out there.

The guys were bookmakers. What does that have to do with fixing ?

 

[wizard1183]

The guys were bookmakers. What does that have to do with fixing ?

Nothing! There's no such thing as a fix in professional sports; much less the NFL. I'll take my tin-foil hat off.

But I ask you this. Prove to me there is and was NO fix EVER in sports. I BET you cant!

 

[wizard1183]

The guy is a writer. That's his point of view.

The most controversial allegation in my 1989 book, Interference: How Organized Crime Influences Professional Football (William Morrow), is that over seventy NFL games have been fixed. Despite the evidence, league officials have long claimed that no professional football game has ever been successfully fixed since the creation of the NFL in 1920. Of course, any admission to the contrary would jeopardize the public's perception of "the integrity of the game."
The following is the untold story of how I developed the information about eight of these allegedly fixed games:

So what youre saying is, the guy just made this up right? That over 70 NLF fixes, he just pulled this number out of his ass? lmao And because "league officials" denied any claims. It's "proven" no fixes have originated? I've given you countless links. Show me allegations that were proven to show no fixes were ever established. Im not talking about dropping cases or pushed beneath a rug type thing. I want to se factual evidence that states no fixes have ever been established.

 

[Salsantorre]

Wizard, I wouldn't argue anymore. Some people are just plain stupid. You can't change that.

 

[SaintsFan1977]

The sun is yellow. Not because somebody told you it was but because you can see it is. If you want to find corruption follow the money is the age old saying. There is just no way every game us left up to chance with all that money on the line. If its not fixed then there sure are alot of coincidences that match the betting line. That has to be the best computer in the world to predict games within a half point to screw some bettors.

 

[AK_Bandito]

With as much money placed on sports betting, do you think it's all left purely to 'chance?' So every other aspect of our lives is doused in corruption (politics, gov't, church, hell most people will slit your throat for a dollar, nowadays, even family) but pro sports remains pure?

Wow, some of you people amaze me. Too much fluoride in your water, apparently.

 

[Acebb]

So there have allegedly been 70 fixed NFL games, no arrests, no bans from the league, nothing.

In order to go along with this absurdity, the NFL security office just calls up the DOJ and says "Hey, we know there have been 70 fixed games, but we'll handle it. It would be bad PR if anyone got arrested" And the DOJ just says "A-ok with us!" On top of it all, nobody, not 1 single person, decides to go public with this information which would be the biggest sports story of its time.

See, when you believe in conspiracies the first thing that goes out the window is tangible proof. The 2nd thing that goes out the window is logic, quickly followed by common sense.

Now, since there is neither tangible proof or a persuasive argument, it is "you're a fool if you don't see it!"

I do find it comical that someone actually believes Eric Decker put on all those juke moves, fought for extra yards, and then when out in the clear Decker thought "oh crap, I'm on the take, I gotta do something!" and fell down.

When it would have been easier to well, not fight for the yards in the 1st place.