can anybody tell me what a pro-abortion catholic is?

[festeringZit]

:missingte:missingte:missingte

You have how many degrees? You use wikipeida for this kind of information.hno: Any respectable college would not allow wikipedia as a reference yet you think it's ok to prove the how many of each religion there is.

Please go back to that link and see what it says about you.:missingte

This post by you proves yet again that you are a complete idiot.

He now can't argue with the truth of my post (because it is correct),
he tries to impugn my choice of using wikipedia.

Getting desperate huh troll-boy?

 

[realestatepro]

Yes zit, that is the post that uses interpretations to say what those people meant. Good job posting the same BS again and again. Did you catch your shoutout on wikipedia?

 

[hippieki11er]

It was a completely logical analogy. I was talking of fear of the unknown. Would there be a proper analogy instead of a chipmunk? I have no credibility to you because I dare talk down on your fairy tale you've built your life on. You don't want to believe that your whole life is built on a lie. Which it is.

Well, you certainly got me there realestate. Once again, as I stated earlier, the problem here is NOT that you don't believe, because as it clearly states in the Bible, it is in the very nature of Man to live in rebellion of God. It's more that you can't seem to put together any sensical points that aren't based on biblical or theological proof, instead you seem to run on childish emotion. If you could do either, I'd certainly be willing to listen, but you appear to have no background to even do so. God bless in any case.

 

[realestatepro]

This post by you proves yet again that you are a complete idiot.

He now can't argue with the truth of my post (because it is correct),
he tries to impugn my choice of using wikipedia.

Getting desperate huh troll-boy?

I'm just laughing at you because you use a reference that is not even acknowledged by our schools. By the way, Christianity being number one includes Jehovah's witnesses, Quakers, Mormons and all sorts of people that mainstream Christians call wackos and argue with. There are so many different versions of your wacked out fairy tale that you guys in-fight with each other more than with others. It's all smoke and mirrors.

 

[realestatepro]

Well, you certainly got me there realestate. Once again, as I stated earlier, the problem here is NOT that you don't believe, because as it clearly states in the Bible, it is in the very nature of Man to live in rebellion of God. It's more that you can't seem to put together any sensical points that aren't based on biblical or theological proof, instead you seem to run on childish emotion. If you could do either, I'd certainly be willing to listen, but you appear to have no background to even do so. God bless in any case.

So you want me to prove that the bible is fake. Are you aware that you can't prove a negative?

 

[festeringZit]

Yes zit, that is the post that uses interpretations to say what those people meant. Good job posting the same BS again and again. Did you catch your shoutout on wikipedia?

Troll,

Let me repeat it one more time. Using the historical evidence that exists
most history scholars :

agree that Jesus was a Jewish teacher from Galilee who was regarded as a healer, was baptized by John the Baptist, was accused of sedition against the Roman Empire, and on the orders of Roman Governor Pontius Pilate was sentenced to death by crucifixion. But, the resident troll REP knows more than the history scholars
(even though REP doesn't even have a 2 yr college degree).

Oh, and your wiki point was so laughable I hope you keep
trying to make it, idiot.

You have a choice, you can keep making uninformed posts, continuing
to prove that you are a total ignoramus, or you can do some
actual research, and perhaps come back with some salient points.

 

[festeringZit]

Well, you certainly got me there realestate. Once again, as I stated earlier, the problem here is NOT that you don't believe, because as it clearly states in the Bible, it is in the very nature of Man to live in rebellion of God. It's more that you can't seem to put together any sensical points that aren't based on biblical or theological proof, instead you seem to run on childish emotion. If you could do either, I'd certainly be willing to listen, but you appear to have no background to even do so. God bless in any case.

I wish I had the patience and kindness that hippie has, at least he
is "nice" when he illustrates what we all know: that you run
on childish emotion, and have no background to even start to discuss
the subjects were are talking about.

 

[steaktartar]

these religious threads always get ......off course

 

[realestatepro]

Listen Zit and hippylover. Christianity is a big fat lie. They've stolen everything. They had to morphe their beliefs to fit the main religion at the time, Pagenism. It is well known that this supposed guy named Jesus was not born on December 25th. I wonder where they got it?:think2: It wouldn't have anything to do with winter solstice would it? And that whole born from a virgin thing. I guess Mr. Christ was not the first to achieve this amazing feat. Mithra, a pagan prophet was also born from a virgin.hno: Go figure. Other "miracles" were also stolen. The whole thing is a fraud and you're pissed off that you're stupid enough to fall for it. I'm sure you would believe in Santa if you were told to.

 

[festeringZit]

Listen Zit and hippylover. Christianity is a big fat lie. They've stolen everything. They had to morphe their beliefs to fit the main religion at the time, Pagenism. It is well known that this supposed guy named Jesus was not born on December 25th. I wonder where they got it?:think2: It wouldn't have anything to do with winter solstice would it? And that whole born from a virgin thing. I guess Mr. Christ was not the first to achieve this amazing feat. Mithra, a pagan prophet was also born from a virgin.hno: Go figure. Other "miracles" were also stolen. The whole thing is a fraud and you're pissed off that you're stupid enough to fall for it. I'm sure you would believe in Santa if you were told to.

Troll,

Nice that you read your little talking points from your atheism web page.
Too bad you can't even spell Paganism.

Now I will go ahead and dismantle your argument.

The fact is that Mithraism stole from Judaism and Christianity.


Mithraism was one of the major religions of the Roman Empire which was derived from the ancient Persian god of light and wisdom. The cult of Mithraism was quite prominent in ancient Rome, especially among the military. Mithra was the god of war, battle, justice, faith, and contract. According to Mithraism, Mithra was called the son of God, was born of a virgin, had disciples, was crucified, rose from the dead on the third day, atoned for the sins of mankind, and returned to heaven. Therefore, the critics maintain that Christianity borrowed its concepts from the Mithra cult. But is this the case? Can it be demonstrated that Christianity borrowed from the cult of Mithra as it developed its theology?
First of all, Christianity does not need any outside influence to derive any of its doctrines. All the doctrines of Christianity exists in the Old Testament where we can see the prophetic teachings of Jesus as the son of God (Zech. 12:10), born of a virgin (Isaiah 7:14), was crucified (Psalm 22), the blood atonement (Lev. 17:11), rose from the dead (Psalm 16:10), and salvation by faith (Hab. 2:4). Also, the writers of the gospels were eyewitnesses (or directed by eyewitnesses as were Mark and Luke) who accurately represented the life of Christ. So, what they did was write what Jesus taught as well as record the events of His life, death, and resurrection. In other words, they recorded history, actual events and had no need of fabrication or borrowing.
There will undoubtedly be similarities in religious themes given the agrarian culture. Remember, an agriculturally based society, as was the people of the ancient Mediterranean area, will undoubtedly develop theological themes based upon observable events, i.e., the life, death, and seeming resurrection of life found in crops, in cattle, and in human life. It would only be natural for similar themes to unfold since they are observed in nature and since people created gods related to nature. But, any reading of the Old Testament results in observing the intrusion of God into Jewish history as is recorded in miracles and prophetic utterances. Add to that the incredible archaeological evidence verifying Old Testament cities and events and you have a document based on historical fact instead of mythical fabrication. Furthermore, it is from these Old Testament writings that the New Testament themes were developed.
Following is a chart demonstrating some of the New Testament themes found in the Old Testament. <table style="border-collapse: collapse;" width="635" border="1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr> <td class="center" width="170" bgcolor="#eaf2ff">Theme</td> <td class="center" width="217" bgcolor="#eaf2ff">Old Testament
Reference</td> <td class="center" width="242" bgcolor="#eaf2ff">New Testament
fulfilled in Jesus</td> </tr> <tr> <td width="170">Ascension of Jesus to the right hand of God</td> <td width="217">Ps. 110:1</td> <td width="242">Matt 26:64; Acts 7:55-60; Eph. 1:20</td> </tr> <tr> <td width="170">Atonement by blood</td> <td width="217">Lev. 17:11</td> <td width="242">Heb. 9:22</td> </tr> <tr> <td width="170">Begotten Son, Jesus is</td> <td width="217">Psalm 2:7</td> <td width="242">Acts 13:33; Heb. 1:5</td> </tr> <tr> <td width="170">Crucifixion</td> <td width="217">Psalm 22:11-18; Zech. 12:10</td> <td width="242">Luke 23:33-38</td> </tr> <tr> <td width="170">Eternal Son</td> <td width="217">Micah 5:1-2; Psalm 2:7</td> <td width="242">Heb. 1:5; 5:5</td> </tr> <tr> <td width="170">God among His people</td> <td width="217">Isaiah 9:6; 40:3</td> <td width="242">John 1:1,14; 20:28; Col. 2:9; Matt. 3:3</td> </tr> <tr> <td width="170">Incarnation of God</td> <td width="217">1)Ex 3:14; 2)Ps. 45:6 Isaiah 9:6; Zech. 12:10</td> <td width="242">1)John 8:58; 1:1,14; 2)Heb. 1:8; Col. 2:9; Heb. 1:1-3</td> </tr> <tr> <td width="170">Only Begotten Son</td> <td width="217">Gen. 22:2. See Typology</td> <td width="242">John 3:16; Heb. 11:7</td> </tr> <tr> <td width="170">Resurrection of Christ</td> <td width="217">Psalm 16:9-10; 49:15; Is. 26:19</td> <td width="242">John 2:19-21</td> </tr> <tr> <td width="170">Return of Christ</td> <td width="217">Zech. 14:1-5; Mic. 1:3-4</td> <td width="242">Matt. 16:27-28; Acts 1:11; 3:20</td> </tr> <tr> <td width="170">Sin offering</td> <td width="217">Ex. 30:10; Lev. 4:3</td> <td width="242">Rom. 8:3; Heb. 10:18; 13:11</td> </tr> <tr> <td width="170">Son of God</td> <td width="217">Psalm 2:7</td> <td width="242">John 5:18</td> </tr> <tr> <td width="170">Substitutionary Atonement</td> <td width="217">Isaiah 53:6-12; Lev. 6:4-10,21</td> <td width="242">Matt. 20:28; 1 Pet. 2:24; 2 Cor. 5:21; 1 Pet. 3:18;</td> </tr> <tr> <td width="170">Virgin Birth</td> <td width="217">Isaiah 7:14</td> <td width="242">Matt. 1:25</td></tr></tbody></table>As you can see, there is no need for any of the Christian writers to borrow from anything other than the Old Testament source in order to establish any Christian doctrine concerning Jesus. If the argument that pagan mythologies predated Christian teachings and therefore Christianity borrowed from them is true, then it must also be truth that the pagan religions borrowed from the Jewish religion because it is older than they are! Given that all of the Christian themes are found in the Old Testament and the Old Testament was begun around 2000 B.C. and completed around 400 B.C., we can then conclude that these pagan religions actually borrowed from Jewish ideas found in the Old Testament.

 

[realestatepro]

Troll,

Nice that you read your little talking points from your atheism web page.
Too bad you can't even spell Paganism.

Now I will go ahead and dismantle your argument.

The fact is that Mithraism stole from Judaism and Christianity.


Mithraism was one of the major religions of the Roman Empire which was derived from the ancient Persian god of light and wisdom. The cult of Mithraism was quite prominent in ancient Rome, especially among the military. Mithra was the god of war, battle, justice, faith, and contract. According to Mithraism, Mithra was called the son of God, was born of a virgin, had disciples, was crucified, rose from the dead on the third day, atoned for the sins of mankind, and returned to heaven. Therefore, the critics maintain that Christianity borrowed its concepts from the Mithra cult. But is this the case? Can it be demonstrated that Christianity borrowed from the cult of Mithra as it developed its theology?
First of all, Christianity does not need any outside influence to derive any of its doctrines. All the doctrines of Christianity exists in the Old Testament where we can see the prophetic teachings of Jesus as the son of God (Zech. 12:10), born of a virgin (Isaiah 7:14), was crucified (Psalm 22), the blood atonement (Lev. 17:11), rose from the dead (Psalm 16:10), and salvation by faith (Hab. 2:4). Also, the writers of the gospels were eyewitnesses (or directed by eyewitnesses as were Mark and Luke) who accurately represented the life of Christ. So, what they did was write what Jesus taught as well as record the events of His life, death, and resurrection. In other words, they recorded history, actual events and had no need of fabrication or borrowing.
There will undoubtedly be similarities in religious themes given the agrarian culture. Remember, an agriculturally based society, as was the people of the ancient Mediterranean area, will undoubtedly develop theological themes based upon observable events, i.e., the life, death, and seeming resurrection of life found in crops, in cattle, and in human life. It would only be natural for similar themes to unfold since they are observed in nature and since people created gods related to nature. But, any reading of the Old Testament results in observing the intrusion of God into Jewish history as is recorded in miracles and prophetic utterances. Add to that the incredible archaeological evidence verifying Old Testament cities and events and you have a document based on historical fact instead of mythical fabrication. Furthermore, it is from these Old Testament writings that the New Testament themes were developed.
Following is a chart demonstrating some of the New Testament themes found in the Old Testament. <TABLE style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 width=635 border=1><TBODY><TR><TD class=center width=170 bgColor=#eaf2ff>Theme</TD><TD class=center width=217 bgColor=#eaf2ff>Old Testament
Reference
</TD><TD class=center width=242 bgColor=#eaf2ff>New Testament
fulfilled in Jesus
</TD></TR><TR><TD width=170>Ascension of Jesus to the right hand of God</TD><TD width=217>Ps. 110:1</TD><TD width=242>Matt 26:64; Acts 7:55-60; Eph. 1:20</TD></TR><TR><TD width=170>Atonement by blood</TD><TD width=217>Lev. 17:11</TD><TD width=242>Heb. 9:22</TD></TR><TR><TD width=170>Begotten Son, Jesus is</TD><TD width=217>Psalm 2:7</TD><TD width=242>Acts 13:33; Heb. 1:5</TD></TR><TR><TD width=170>Crucifixion</TD><TD width=217>Psalm 22:11-18; Zech. 12:10</TD><TD width=242>Luke 23:33-38</TD></TR><TR><TD width=170>Eternal Son</TD><TD width=217>Micah 5:1-2; Psalm 2:7</TD><TD width=242>Heb. 1:5; 5:5</TD></TR><TR><TD width=170>God among His people</TD><TD width=217>Isaiah 9:6; 40:3</TD><TD width=242>John 1:1,14; 20:28; Col. 2:9; Matt. 3:3</TD></TR><TR><TD width=170>Incarnation of God</TD><TD width=217>1)Ex 3:14; 2)Ps. 45:6 Isaiah 9:6; Zech. 12:10</TD><TD width=242>1)John 8:58; 1:1,14; 2)Heb. 1:8; Col. 2:9; Heb. 1:1-3</TD></TR><TR><TD width=170>Only Begotten Son</TD><TD width=217>Gen. 22:2. See Typology</TD><TD width=242>John 3:16; Heb. 11:7</TD></TR><TR><TD width=170>Resurrection of Christ</TD><TD width=217>Psalm 16:9-10; 49:15; Is. 26:19</TD><TD width=242>John 2:19-21</TD></TR><TR><TD width=170>Return of Christ</TD><TD width=217>Zech. 14:1-5; Mic. 1:3-4</TD><TD width=242>Matt. 16:27-28; Acts 1:11; 3:20</TD></TR><TR><TD width=170>Sin offering</TD><TD width=217>Ex. 30:10; Lev. 4:3</TD><TD width=242>Rom. 8:3; Heb. 10:18; 13:11</TD></TR><TR><TD width=170>Son of God</TD><TD width=217>Psalm 2:7</TD><TD width=242>John 5:18</TD></TR><TR><TD width=170>Substitutionary Atonement</TD><TD width=217>Isaiah 53:6-12; Lev. 6:4-10,21</TD><TD width=242>Matt. 20:28; 1 Pet. 2:24; 2 Cor. 5:21; 1 Pet. 3:18;</TD></TR><TR><TD width=170>Virgin Birth</TD><TD width=217>Isaiah 7:14</TD><TD width=242>Matt. 1:25</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>As you can see, there is no need for any of the Christian writers to borrow from anything other than the Old Testament source in order to establish any Christian doctrine concerning Jesus. If the argument that pagan mythologies predated Christian teachings and therefore Christianity borrowed from them is true, then it must also be truth that the pagan religions borrowed from the Jewish religion because it is older than they are! Given that all of the Christian themes are found in the Old Testament and the Old Testament was begun around 2000 B.C. and completed around 400 B.C., we can then conclude that these pagan religions actually borrowed from Jewish ideas found in the Old Testament.

Unlike you I don't go and google a bunch of shit before I post. I go by actual knowledge. Fact is that Paganism came BEFORE Christianity. That is undeniable. Your copy and paste method of debating makes me really question your intelligence. Your Brian works like, google--highlight--copy--paste. You are an uneducated buffoon. You'd never last in a real life debate where no computers are available. You could learn some things from me. Take some notes zitty.

 

[festeringZit]

Troll,

Nice that you read your little talking points from your atheism web page.
Too bad you can't even spell Paganism.

Now I will go ahead and dismantle your argument.

The fact is that Mithraism stole from Judaism and Christianity.


Mithraism was one of the major religions of the Roman Empire which was derived from the ancient Persian god of light and wisdom. The cult of Mithraism was quite prominent in ancient Rome, especially among the military. Mithra was the god of war, battle, justice, faith, and contract. According to Mithraism, Mithra was called the son of God, was born of a virgin, had disciples, was crucified, rose from the dead on the third day, atoned for the sins of mankind, and returned to heaven. Therefore, the critics maintain that Christianity borrowed its concepts from the Mithra cult. But is this the case? Can it be demonstrated that Christianity borrowed from the cult of Mithra as it developed its theology?
First of all, Christianity does not need any outside influence to derive any of its doctrines. All the doctrines of Christianity exists in the Old Testament where we can see the prophetic teachings of Jesus as the son of God (Zech. 12:10), born of a virgin (Isaiah 7:14), was crucified (Psalm 22), the blood atonement (Lev. 17:11), rose from the dead (Psalm 16:10), and salvation by faith (Hab. 2:4). Also, the writers of the gospels were eyewitnesses (or directed by eyewitnesses as were Mark and Luke) who accurately represented the life of Christ. So, what they did was write what Jesus taught as well as record the events of His life, death, and resurrection. In other words, they recorded history, actual events and had no need of fabrication or borrowing.
There will undoubtedly be similarities in religious themes given the agrarian culture. Remember, an agriculturally based society, as was the people of the ancient Mediterranean area, will undoubtedly develop theological themes based upon observable events, i.e., the life, death, and seeming resurrection of life found in crops, in cattle, and in human life. It would only be natural for similar themes to unfold since they are observed in nature and since people created gods related to nature. But, any reading of the Old Testament results in observing the intrusion of God into Jewish history as is recorded in miracles and prophetic utterances. Add to that the incredible archaeological evidence verifying Old Testament cities and events and you have a document based on historical fact instead of mythical fabrication. Furthermore, it is from these Old Testament writings that the New Testament themes were developed.
Following is a chart demonstrating some of the New Testament themes found in the Old Testament. <table style="border-collapse: collapse;" width="635" border="1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr> <td class="center" width="170" bgcolor="#eaf2ff">Theme</td> <td class="center" width="217" bgcolor="#eaf2ff">Old Testament
Reference</td> <td class="center" width="242" bgcolor="#eaf2ff">New Testament
fulfilled in Jesus</td> </tr> <tr> <td width="170">Ascension of Jesus to the right hand of God</td> <td width="217">Ps. 110:1</td> <td width="242">Matt 26:64; Acts 7:55-60; Eph. 1:20</td> </tr> <tr> <td width="170">Atonement by blood</td> <td width="217">Lev. 17:11</td> <td width="242">Heb. 9:22</td> </tr> <tr> <td width="170">Begotten Son, Jesus is</td> <td width="217">Psalm 2:7</td> <td width="242">Acts 13:33; Heb. 1:5</td> </tr> <tr> <td width="170">Crucifixion</td> <td width="217">Psalm 22:11-18; Zech. 12:10</td> <td width="242">Luke 23:33-38</td> </tr> <tr> <td width="170">Eternal Son</td> <td width="217">Micah 5:1-2; Psalm 2:7</td> <td width="242">Heb. 1:5; 5:5</td> </tr> <tr> <td width="170">God among His people</td> <td width="217">Isaiah 9:6; 40:3</td> <td width="242">John 1:1,14; 20:28; Col. 2:9; Matt. 3:3</td> </tr> <tr> <td width="170">Incarnation of God</td> <td width="217">1)Ex 3:14; 2)Ps. 45:6 Isaiah 9:6; Zech. 12:10</td> <td width="242">1)John 8:58; 1:1,14; 2)Heb. 1:8; Col. 2:9; Heb. 1:1-3</td> </tr> <tr> <td width="170">Only Begotten Son</td> <td width="217">Gen. 22:2. See Typology</td> <td width="242">John 3:16; Heb. 11:7</td> </tr> <tr> <td width="170">Resurrection of Christ</td> <td width="217">Psalm 16:9-10; 49:15; Is. 26:19</td> <td width="242">John 2:19-21</td> </tr> <tr> <td width="170">Return of Christ</td> <td width="217">Zech. 14:1-5; Mic. 1:3-4</td> <td width="242">Matt. 16:27-28; Acts 1:11; 3:20</td> </tr> <tr> <td width="170">Sin offering</td> <td width="217">Ex. 30:10; Lev. 4:3</td> <td width="242">Rom. 8:3; Heb. 10:18; 13:11</td> </tr> <tr> <td width="170">Son of God</td> <td width="217">Psalm 2:7</td> <td width="242">John 5:18</td> </tr> <tr> <td width="170">Substitutionary Atonement</td> <td width="217">Isaiah 53:6-12; Lev. 6:4-10,21</td> <td width="242">Matt. 20:28; 1 Pet. 2:24; 2 Cor. 5:21; 1 Pet. 3:18;</td> </tr> <tr> <td width="170">Virgin Birth</td> <td width="217">Isaiah 7:14</td> <td width="242">Matt. 1:25</td></tr></tbody></table>As you can see, there is no need for any of the Christian writers to borrow from anything other than the Old Testament source in order to establish any Christian doctrine concerning Jesus. If the argument that pagan mythologies predated Christian teachings and therefore Christianity borrowed from them is true, then it must also be truth that the pagan religions borrowed from the Jewish religion because it is older than they are! Given that all of the Christian themes are found in the Old Testament and the Old Testament was begun around 2000 B.C. and completed around 400 B.C., we can then conclude that these pagan religions actually borrowed from Jewish ideas found in the Old Testament.

A bit more for the troll to chew on:

"Allegations of an early Christian dependence on Mithraism have been rejected on many grounds. Mithraism had no concept of the death and resurrection of its god and no place for any concept of rebirth -- at least during its early stages...During the early stages of the cult, the notion of rebirth would have been foreign to its basic outlook...Moreover, Mithraism was basically a military cult. Therefore, one must be skeptical about suggestions that it appealed to nonmilitary people like the early Christians."¹
What is more probable is that with the explosive nature of the Christian church in the 1st and 2nd century, other cult groups started to adapt themselves to take advantage of some of the teachings found in Christianity.

"While there are several sources that suggest that Mithraism included a notion of rebirth, they are all post-Christian. The earliest...dates from the end of the second century A.D."²
​

Therefore, even though there are similarities between Christianity and Mithraism, it is up to the critics to prove that one borrowed from the other. But, considering that the writers of the New Testament were Jews who shunned pagan philosophies and that the Old Testament has all of the themes found in Christianity, it is far more probable that if any borrowing was done, it was done by the pagan religions that wanted to emulate the success of Christianity.

 

[festeringZit]

Unlike you I don't go and google a bunch of shit before I post. I go by actual knowledge. Fact is that Paganism came BEFORE Christianity. That is undeniable. Your copy and paste method of debating makes me really question your intelligence. Your Brian works like, google--highlight--copy--paste. You are an uneducated buffoon. You'd never last in a real life debate where no computers are available. You could learn some things from me. Take some notes zitty.

Troll,

I will try once more to get through your thick skull.
Christianity gets all of it's main themes from the Old Testament which
FAR predates Mithraism.

Run along now chump.

 

[barman]

Response to forum friend WILLIE99's original question:

Willie, I don't know of any notable (in the public eye that is) Catholics who are "pro-abortion".

In fact, I don't know a whole lot of people in general who are "pro-abortion".

I do of course know many many Americans who do not support the notion of criminalizing a woman's decision to have an abortion.

But they themselves might agree that abortion is a bad idea, a wrong idea or both.

The vast majority of Americans who agree with the current laws in America are simply standing against the notion that a woman should be subject to arrest, prosecution and imprisonment in the event they have an abortion.

A much smaller group - including me - are unashamedly pro-abortion in that we believe that our communities would be better off if more unwanted pregnancies were terminated and preferably as quickly as possible.

First few weeks after conception is best.

To reiterate - I don't know of any notable policymakers in the public eye who publicly agree with increasing access to legal abortion and further - encouraging more abortions among the population of women who become unexpectedly pregnant.

I'm sure there are a fair share who agree with me privately, but to honestly state such a belief is akin to political suicide in most parts of this country.

 

[realestatepro]

Troll,

I will try once more to get through your thick skull.
Christianity gets all of it's main themes from the Old Testament which
FAR predates Mithraism.

Run along now chump.

How about getting this through your thick brainwashed skull. Paganism was around long before any form of christianity. Fact. Maybe that child molester preaching to you didn't tell you the whole truth.

 

[barman]

Christianity gets all of it's main themes from the Old Testament....

Nonsense.

The core and prevailing principles of Christianity - unconditional love and unconditional forgiveness - stand as direct refutations of the prevailing religious and social thought which were the rule of the day when Christ began actively promoting his Gospel.

I am a lifelong Christian and know that these two core principles were certainly not part of any Old Testament teachings. Rather, the core message of the Old Testament books was that failure to follow the religious tenets of the day led to incurring God's wrath and (often lethal) punishment.

Christ brought forth a new testimony (new testament) of eternal truths.


----
*The above testimonial on my part stands alone and distinct from anything posted by REALESTATEPRO. I would consider arguing this or that point he may have posted, but he's averaging several thousand words a day for the past month and I long ago stopped trying to keep up.

 

[realestatepro]

Nonsense.

The core and prevailing principles of Christianity - unconditional love and unconditional forgiveness - stand as direct refutations of the prevailing religious and social thought which were the rule of the day when Christ began actively promoting his Gospel.

I am a lifelong Christian and know that these two core principles were certainly not part of any Old Testament teachings. Rather, the core message of the Old Testament books was that failure to follow the religious tenets of the day led to incurring God's wrath and (often lethal) punishment.

Christ brought forth a new testimony (new testament) of eternal truths.


----
*The above testimonial on my part stands alone and distinct from anything posted by REALESTATEPRO. I would consider arguing this or that point he may have posted, but he's averaging several thousand words a day for the past month and I long ago stopped trying to keep up.

You couldn't keep up if you tried. To much knowledge scares Christians. Your lame attempts at being funny all the time gets old. The religious left and right are all in bed and have much in common. You guys are all brainwashed. Your just all too stupid to agree with what the brainwashers are saying.

 

[barman]

Truly, you have a Dizzying Intellect



*First forum friend to correctly identify the above subreference wins a free round on your next stop at The Bar n Grill in Clearwater