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The Bush administration is pushing to ratify an international convention that civil libertarians say would pose serious threats to privacy rights at home and abroad.

After delaying for about two years, U.S. President George W. Bush recently asked the U.S. Senate to ratify the Council of Europe Cybercrime Convention, a global agreement apparently created to help police worldwide cooperate to fight Internet crimes.

"It's the only international treaty to address the problems of computer-related crime and electronic evidence gathering," Bush said in his November letter asking the Senate to confirm U.S. adherence to the treaty.

"It promises to be an effective tool in the global effort to combat computer-related crime," added the president.

But independent legal experts and right activists on both sides of the Atlantic are sceptical about such claims.

"This is a bad treaty that not only threatens core liberties, but will obligate the United States to use extraordinary powers to do the dirty work of other nations," says Barry Steinhardt of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), the oldest civil rights group in the country.

"We are opposed to this treaty," says Cedric Laurent, a senior policy fellow at the Electronic Privacy Information Centre (EPIC), a public interest research group based in Washington, DC that specialises in issues
of democracy and technology.

The treaty criminalizes acts such as hacking and the production, sale or distribution of hacking tools, and expands criminal liability for intellectual property violations that nations must have on their books as crimes.

So far, only four countries - Albania, Estonia, Hungary and Croatia - have ratified the treaty since it opened for signatures in 2001.
Thirty-two countries besides the United States have signed the convention; it must be ratified by five nations before it enters into force.
The agreement also makes it mandatory for each participating nation to grant new powers of search and seizure to its law enforcement authorities, including the power to force an Internet service provider (ISP) to preserve
a customer's usage records and to monitor his or her online activities as they occur.

If approved by the Senate, experts say, U.S. police would be required to cooperate in "mutual assistance requests" from police in other nations "to the widest extent possible."

"The Cyber-crime signatories include nations of recent and untested democratic vintage, such as Ukraine and Bulgaria," says ACLU Legislative
Counsel Marv Johnson.

"Do we really want professional American law enforcement personnel conducting surveillance on people who haven't broken any U.S. law in order to help enforce the 'law' of some Party apparatchik in China?" he added in a statement. Right groups are also worried about the possible use of new surveillance devices like Carnivore, the "Internet-tapping" system used by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) to intercept communications.

Unlike wiretaps, which are set up by a telephone company on behalf of authorities, Carnivore allows law enforcement agents direct access to entire ISP networks, far beyond the scope of powers those agents now have.

When the U.S. Congress passed the infamous Patriot Act to boost law-enforcement in response to the Sep. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, it
authorised the use of Carnivore for collecting information on Internet addresses and traffic. But it stopped short of permitting the system to be used to eavesdrop on actual content.

"The Patriot Act has given more powers to the law enforcement agencies. That is right," says Laurent in an interview. "But the ratification of this convention would give even more powers to the authorities."

"Unfortunately, the history of the FBI and other government agencies on respecting privacy is not good," says Steinhardt in an interview,
explaining that is why, "Carnivore has been opposed by organisations from ac**** the political spectrum''.

The ACLU and other critics of the treaty also argue that it provides too little protection for political activities. They point out that the text fails to define "political offences," a fault they call "a huge omission," since an act considered political in the United States might be a criminal matter in another country.

For example, the treaty section on real-time monitoring of Internet activity does not include an exemption to the mutual assistance requirement for "political" offences, meaning, the experts say, the FBI could be asked to order an ISP like AOL to spy on a political dissenter in Ukraine or a union organiser in Latin America.

Steinhardt wonders why Bush decided to request ratification now. "We are trying to understand why the U.S. government did not do anything two
years ago," he says. "They had abandoned this (treaty). I think it's all related to 9/11. But it's a mystery to us."

In his letter to the Senate, Bush wrote, "the treaty would help deny 'safe havens' to criminals, including terrorists, who can cause damage to U.S. interests abroad using computer systems."
 

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It's very easy to setup a remote box and tunnel to it using strong encryption ...

in other words - he won't find the badddddd guys.
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No way to find real spooks.

Hell, it takes weeks or months to find 16yo kids playing around.
 

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The advance in communications over the last 20years has been unbelievable, totally unreal.

In 1984 who would have thought we would be doing all the stuff we have now, especially the net.


In the next 20 years the net will mature and the bandwidth we can all use will increase at an amazing rate, our individual computers becoming mini servers for the transfer of all kinds of data. Encrypted or not.
The same with mobile phones, (although I believe the US is a bit behind europe on this stuff) Your individual mobile will become a mini base station that lets messages and communications 'hop' from unit to unit, especially in the more populated areas.

The authorities might catch a few 'bad' guys, and this will get huge media coverage to try and scare people, but the bottom line is that the amount of data transfer that's going on is just too great for any organisation to keep up with. Every night, tens of millions fire all sorts of chit around the web.
Anyone thats worked in a big company knows how fuxxing disorganised and slow these places are.

In 20 years, it will be hundreds of millions of users. Terrabytes of data, running on tiny software utilities and thats just with the stuff I know about now.
Except in isolated cases, the authorities don't have a chance, the resources simply don't exist.

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eekguess for the future:

mobile phone communication technology will combine with computers to produce huge wireless networks on laptops/computers that do what the wire systems owned by companies do today, but your own 'puter will be the mini base station.
Like an extreme bluetooth system.
Also, your own computer will be a plug in unit, like a palmpilot/mobile, but you can plug it into ANY computer and your 'own' computer runs on it.(like carrying your own harddiskdrive about with you, and plugging it in anywhere)

[This message was edited by eek on January 24, 2004 at 08:36 PM.]
 

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Distributed networks like Freenet will be the death of Internet regulation. The only way that such networks would be permanently disabled is by simply shutting off everyone's Internet access, as in everyone. The Taliban tried this with some success in 2000; preventing anyone but government from accessing the Internet. It might be a somewhat tougher sell for the rest of the world, but it is not inconceivable that one of the more doltish governments would attempt to create "registered users" for Internet access. This could be sold on the classic adage, "If you've got nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about. Just register so that we can differentiate your activites from those of the bad people."

It's ironic -- the heavier the hand of the regulator, the more proliferate distributed networks become; the more proliferate distributed networks become, the more accessible and stable they are; the more accesible and stable they are, the harder regulators come down on them; the harder regulators come down on them, the more proliferate distributed networks become ...

Honestly, I believe that it is less about "fighting the bad guys" than it is about making a public show of attempting to do something, even when that something is patently useless and futile; whatever it takes to get a vote.

God bless democracy.

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