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We already know there was not any wmd's in irad.

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Um, there were WMD's in Iraq. That is a fact. You saying "no there weren't" isn't responsive.

You are a low IQ moron. Nice grammar, captain master degree.

Um, there wasn't but what's one more lie on your list.

Yeah, you're a super lawyer from a top 10 law school. Lmao. Sure Adam.

Nice 9k plus posts since 2012. You won't make a ban bet here because this place is all you have left in your life.

"See post 257". Hahahahaha. What a coward.
 

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The fact that you think you can "debunk" that article is hysterical.

Even funnier than your laughable assertion you have a masters degree. By the way, nice 12 hour shift here yesterday. You have quite the exciting millionaire lifestyle.

Idiot.

The Right Finds New Ways to Flub WMD Story....by steve benen. Go cheeck it out.

Vit wins again. Knockout. Thread closed.
 
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Um, there wasn't but what's one more lie on your list.

Yeah, you're a super lawyer from a top 10 law school. Lmao. Sure Adam.

Nice 9k plus posts since 2012. You won't make a ban bet here because this place is all you have left in your life.

"See post 257". Hahahahaha. What a coward.

Um, there were WMDs in Iraq, that is a known fact. Only people with their lips firmed ensconced around Obama's cock think otherwise.
 

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Um, there were WMDs in Iraq, that is a known fact. Only people with their lips firmed ensconced around Obama's cock think otherwise.

It is disputed by many and just another attempt for the right to rewrite history. Do yourself a favor...go to google and type in "no wmd in iraq" and you can read all about the bullshit in nyt article. I mean, it won't be on rightwingnews.com but it is plenty of other places
 

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It is disputed by many and just another attempt for the right to rewrite history. Do yourself a favor...go to google and type in "no wmd in iraq" and you can read all about the bullshit in nyt article. I mean, it won't be on rightwingnews.com but it is plenty of other places

"Debunk" doesn't mean what you think it means, dumb shit.

The fact that you think that is a response is hilarious.
 

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Um, there wasn't but what's one more lie on your list.

Yeah, you're a super lawyer from a top 10 law school. Lmao. Sure Adam.

Nice 9k plus posts since 2012. You won't make a ban bet here because this place is all you have left in your life.

"See post 257". Hahahahaha. What a coward.

Maybe you can tell the US Soldiers being treated by the VA for being exposed to chemical weapons that there were no WMD in Iraq.

Idiot.
 

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The Right Finds New Ways to Flub WMD Story....by steve benen. Go cheeck it out.

Vit wins again. Knockout. Thread closed.

Ok, I guess you don't know how to link to a story. They probably taught you that in graduate school.

Anyway, the article asserts: The NYT piece, though important, referenced pre-1991 weapons.



Which doesn't mean anything. Why?

Well:
The New York Times found 17 American service members and seven Iraqi police officers who were exposed to nerve or mustard agents after 2003

Well:
From 2004 to 2011, American and American-trained Iraqi troops repeatedly encountered, and on at least six occasions were wounded by, chemical weapons remaining from years earlier in Saddam Hussein’s rule.

In other words, the "dubunking" is full of lies.

Also note: the "debunking" does not address the most recent NYT article other than to say:
the WMD were never found because they didn’t exist

Which is laughable and preposterous.
 

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The Right Finds New Ways to Flub WMD Story....by steve benen. Go cheeck it out.

Vit wins again. Knockout. Thread closed.

Here is what this "knockout" asserts: little common sense is in order – if U.S. troops had found WMD stockpiles, the Bush/Cheney administration would have said so. Indeed, they were desperate to do exactly that.

:):)

"Common sense" trumps the military and CIA finding chemical weapons I guess.

But they were manufactured before 1991!!!

LMFAO
 

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"Debunk" doesn't mean what you think it means, dumb shit.

The fact that you think that is a response is hilarious.

Uh. Debunk is to expose the falseness of a belief....which is what many stories now do to that nyt article.

Didn't they teach you that at your top 10 law school?

This is why you are voted most worthless poster
 

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Um, there wasn't but what's one more lie on your list.

Yeah, you're a super lawyer from a top 10 law school. Lmao. Sure Adam.

Hey dumb shit: my name isn't Adam (yet you bizarrely keep calling me Adam) and I never, ever said I was a "super lawyer"

Why are you so fucking dumb?
 

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Uh. Debunk is to expose the falseness of a belief....which is what many stories now do to that nyt article.

Didn't they teach you that at your top 10 law school?

This is why you are voted most worthless poster

Hey stupid shit: there were WMD's in Iraq. The article doesn't "debunk" that there were. The article makes up lies and attacks strawmen.

Of course you believe the article. You're a laughable fucking idiot
 

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That article is some of the most embarrassing shit I've ever read. Of course this "I have a masters" idiot would reference it. The best part of the article is when it provides a link to a Maddow transcript as proof of...something.

Anyway:

C.I.A. Is Said to Have Bought and Destroyed Iraqi Chemical Weapons


the extraordinary arms purchase plan, known as Operation Avarice, began in 2005 and continued into 2006, and the American military deemed it a nonproliferation success. It led to the United States’ acquiring and destroying at least 400 Borak rockets, one of the internationally condemned chemical weapons that Saddam Hussein’s Baathist government manufactured in the 1980s but that were not accounted for by United Nations inspections mandated after the 1991 Persian Gulf war.



Yes, Saddam had WMD
 

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You guys live in fantasyland. Vit when you said "War For Oil" you should have taken a picture and tagged it #SelfieKnockout.

Interrogator Shares Saddam's Confessions
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/interrogator-shares-saddams-confessions/

That June 2000 speech was about weapons of mass destruction. In talking casually about that speech, Saddam began to tell the story of his weapons. It was a breakthrough that had taken five months.

"Oh, you couldn't imagine the excitement that I was feeling at that point," Piro remembers.

"And what did he tell you about how his weapons of mass destruction had been destroyed?" Pelley asks.

"He told me that most of the WMD had been destroyed by the U.N. inspectors in the '90s. And those that hadn't been destroyed by the inspectors were unilaterally destroyed by Iraq," Piro says.

"So why keep the secret? Why put your nation at risk, why put your own life at risk to maintain this charade?" Pelley asks.

"It was very important for him to project that because that was what kept him, in his mind, in power. That capability kept the Iranians away. It kept them from reinvading Iraq," Piro says.

Before his wars with America, Saddam had fought a ruinous eight year war with Iran and it was Iran he still feared the most.

"He believed that he couldn't survive without the perception that he had weapons of mass destruction?" Pelley asks.

"Absolutely," Piro says.

"As the U.S. marched toward war and we began massing troops on his border, why didn't he stop it then? And say, 'Look, I have no weapons of mass destruction.' I mean, how could he have wanted his country to be invaded?" Pelley asks.

"He didn't. But he told me he initially miscalculated President Bush. And President Bush's intentions. He thought the United States would retaliate with the same type of attack as we did in 1998 under Operation Desert Fox. Which was a four-day aerial attack. So you expected that initially," Piro says.

Piro says Saddam expected some kind of an air campaign and that he could he survive that. "He survived that once. And then he was willing to accept that type of attack. That type of damage," he says.

"Saddam didn't believe that the United States would invade," Pelley remarks.

"Not initially, no," Piro says.

"Once it was clear to him that there was going to be an invasion of the country. I mean, did he actually believe that his armies could win?" Pelley asks.

"No," Piro says. "What he had asked of his military leaders and senior government officials was to give him two weeks. And at that point it would go into what he called the secret war."

"The secret war. What did he mean?" Pelley asks.

"Going from a conventional to an unconventional war," Piro says.

"So the insurgency was part of his plan from the very beginning," Pelley remarks.

"Well, he would like to take credit for the insurgency," Piro says.

Central to that insurgency were Saddam's sons, that is, before they were killed by U.S. forces.

Asked how Saddam reacted to the deaths of his two sons, Uday and Qusay, Piro says, "I was surprised. He didn't show any remorse. He told me that he was, of course, proud of his sons. They died believing, or fighting, for what they believed."

Piro asked Saddam about his son Uday, a notorious rapist and murderer. He pressed him until Saddam didn't want to hear anymore. "He tells me to stop. Basically stop asking these questions. You don't get to pick your kids. You're kind of stuck with what you get," Piro recalls.

I'm glad you posted this scott. Sadaam admitting he needed the perception he had wmd's without actually having them.
 

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Hey dumb shit: my name isn't Adam (yet you bizarrely keep calling me Adam) and I never, ever said I was a "super lawyer"

Why are you so fucking dumb?

Ok adam. Hopefully you can keep your post total on this record pace.

Slow debt collection day?

Why are you scared to have a ban bet? This place is your life and you were voted most worthless at a place that means everything to you
 

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The Right Finds New Ways to Flub WMD Story....by steve benen. Go cheeck it out.

Vit wins again. Knockout. Thread closed.

Since that story doesn't "debunk" anything you might way to try again, idiot.

Of course critical thinking isn't your strong suit so you'll probably be unable to do anything but pretend you've 'won' something.

You are a laughable imbecile. "I have a masters" what a moron.
 

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Nice 12 hour shift you put in yesterday, loser.

By the way, "I wasn't here that weekend"

LMFAO Instead of risking more time away from the political forum, you lied.

You are such an idiot it is surreal.

Do you know if someone posts at 9am and then 12 hours later...doesn't mean they were here for 12 hours. How dumb are you?

Only in Adam world could he call me scared of a bet. You have now run from 4 ban bets

"See post #257". Classic coward
 

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I'm glad you posted this scott. Sadaam admitting he needed the perception he had wmd's without actually having them.

You love twisting stuff to fit your arguments Vit. It DOES NOT SHOW Saddam never had WMD. It ONLY shows Saddam knew his enemies were more likely to attack him if they thought he was weak. And I've posted he wanted his neighbors to think he was strong. What I posted does not account for his bellicose actions outside his borders. Nor does it account for his duplicity toward the inspectors, or the injuries to our vets. It also says nothing about whether he previously had WMD, or was seeking WMD.
 

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Duh DDD Duhhhh DDD DUh

Blame Bush

Duh DDD DUhhhh


Way to go Punter.

Fucking idiot.


great comeback. it's like arguing with a 1st grader. NEWSFLASH the chemical weapons that the retards are saying were present were all provided to the hussein by the USA to fight Iran. congress was told of weapons that could reach the USA right away were present. that was an out right lie and was proven. colin powell even was disgusted by the lie because he unknowingly lied to the UN about it. all weapons inspectors said it was impossible that hussein had them. but then the lie was told to congress, they approved it. that is why when when the retards quote DEMS approving the use of force they forget to tell that they were lied to, just like powell was.

so even after bush admitted that they found no signs of WMD's, the retarded folk still claim there was in 2015. you can't make up this kind of stupid.
 

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CHICAGO (AP) - Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush said Wednesday that "there were mistakes made in Iraq" during his brother's administration, offering the critique during a wide-ranging speech on foreign policy that comes as part of his run-up to a likely presidential campaign.


Speaking to the Chicago Council on Global Affairs, Bush said during a question-and-answer session after his speech that intelligence about Saddam Hussein's possession of weapons of mass destruction was not accurate, and the U.S. initially failed to create an environment of security in the country after removing the Iraqi leader from power.


But Bush praised former President George W. Bush's decision to "surge" troops into Iraq in 2007, which added roughly 20,000 troops to the American forces in the country in an effort to improve security. He called it "one of the most historic acts of courage politically" of any president.

The surge was "hugely successful," Bush said, and it created a "a fragile but more stable situation" in Iraq that President Barack Obama could have built on during his term in office.


Bush offered harsh words for Obama's foreign policy during the speech, calling his administration "inconsistent and indecisive" and one that has led the U.S. to lose "the trust and the confidence of our friends."


"The great irony of the Obama presidency is this: Someone who came to office promising greater engagement with the world has left America less influential in the world," Bush said.


Bush acknowledged during the speech that his views about America's place in the world will often be compared with those of his brother and father, former President George H.W. Bush, adding he is "lucky" to have had family members who have "shaped America's foreign policy from the Oval Office."


"But I am my own man - and my views are shaped by my own thinking and own experiences," he said. "Each president learns from those who came before - their principles, their adjustments."


The older Bush brother finished his second term in 2009 amid an unpopular war in Iraq, an economy in freefall and with a majority of Americans disapproving of his job performance.


Among donors, Jeb Bush has noted a strong family and religious bond with his older brother, but has also said they are not clones and have differences common among siblings.


Ahead of the speech, Bush aides also released what they called a preliminary group of experts who will provide him with foreign policy advice. They included familiar names, such as James "Fuck The Jews" Baker III and George Shultz, both secretaries of State under President Ronald Reagan; former Homeland Security secretaries Tom Ridge and Michael Chertoff, and former Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz, all three of whom served under George W. Bush.


The list also included some lesser-known names, such as Meghan O'Sullivan, a former national security adviser to George W. Bush, who now teaches at Harvard and is seen as key to Jeb Bush's idea of lessening U.S. dependence on Middle East energy.


Bush aides also confirmed late Tuesday that former Minnesota Rep. Vin Weber, a senior policy aide to 2012 GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney, was advising Bush.
 

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