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<!--StartFragment -->This UK patient avoided the NHS list and flew to India for a heart bypass. Is health tourism the future?

by Randeep Ramesh
The Guardian

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<!--StartFragment --> [font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]Heart patient George Marshall in hospital in India.[/font]

<!--StartFragment --> [font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]Three months ago George Marshall fretted about the choice offered by his doctor in Britain. Diagnosed with coronary heart disease, the violin repairer from Bradford was told he could either wait up to six months for a heart bypass operation on the National Health Service or pay £19,000 to go under the scalpel immediately. [/font]
[font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]In the end, Mr Marshall chose to outsource his operation to India. Last month he flew 5,000 miles to the southern Indian city of Bangalore where surgeons at the Wockhardt hospital and heart institute took a piece of vein from his arm to repair the thinning arteries of his heart. The cost was £4,800, including the flight. [/font]

[font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]"Everyone's been really great here. I have been in the NHS and gone private in Britain in the past, but I can say that the care and facilities in India are easily comparable," says Mr Marshall, sitting in hospital-blue pyjamas. "I'd have no problem coming again." [/font]

<!--StartFragment -->[font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]The 73-year-old found the hospital in Bangalore after a few hours surfing the internet. Mr Marshall decided to come after an email conversation with Wockhardt's vice-president and a chat with other "medical tourists" from Britain who had undergone surgery in the hospital. [/font]
[font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]"Once I knew others had come I thought, why not? In Europe hospitals in Germany and Belgium would do the operation for less than doctors in Britain. But Europe was still more expensive than here. And the staff speak English in India." [/font]

[font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]With patients such as Mr Marshall willing to travel across the globe to get treatment sooner or more cheaply than they could at home, Indian hospital groups see a huge market for their services. [/font]

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[font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]A study by the Confederation of Indian Industry (CII), and McKinsey consultants estimated "medical tourism" could be worth 100bn rupees (£1.21bn) by 2012. Last year some 150,000 foreigners visited India for treatment, with the number rising by 15% a year, says Zakariah Ahmed, an analyst who helped compile the report, [/font]

[font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]With a large pool of highly trained doctors and low treatment prices, healthcare aims to replicate the Indian software sector's success. Built on acres of land, often gifted to companies at peppercorn rents from Indian local authorities eager to promote business, the new, sleek medical centres of excellence offer developed world treatment at developing world prices. [/font]

[font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]A number of private hospitals also offer packages designed to attract wealthy foreign patients, with airport-to-hospital bed car service, in-room internet access and private chefs. Another trend is to combine surgery in India with a yoga holiday or trip to the Taj Mahal. [/font]

[font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]Many say that it is not just cost but competency that is India's selling point. Naresh Trehan, who earned $2m (£1.06m) a year as a heart surgeon in Manhattan but returned to start Escorts hospital group in India, said that his hospital in Delhi completed 4,200 heart operations last year. [/font]

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[font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]"That is more than anyone else in the world. The death rate for coronary bypass patients at Escorts is 0.8% and the infection rate is 0.3%. This is well below the first-world averages of 1.2% for the death rate and 1% for infections," says Dr Trehan. "Nobody questions the capability of an Indian doctor, because there isn't a big hospital in the United States or Britain where there isn't an Indian doctor working." [/font]

[font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]Most foreign patients who come to the subcontinent are from other developing countries in Africa, south-east Asia and the Middle East where western-trained doctors and western-quality hospitals are either hard to find or prohibitively expensive. [/font]

[font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]Hospital administrators accept that many prospective patients from the west are put off because images of India tend to focus on poverty and on the less than hygienic living conditions of most people. [/font]

[font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]Mr Marshall had never visited the subcontinent before and only been out of Britain twice before, to Australia and Egypt, on holiday. He readily admits that he did not tell his daughter what he was planning to do until two days before coming, for fear of her "reaction". [/font]

[font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]What little Mr Marshall knew about the country was not favourable and at first he was shocked by the organised chaos of India. "There are so many people here. When I was in the car coming from the airport we got stuck in really heavy traffic. It was hot, there were horns going off and people shouting. I thought, 'Oh hell, I've made a mistake.'" [/font]

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[font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]But once in his airconditioned room, with cable television and a personalised nursing service, the 73-year-old says that his stay has been "pretty relaxing. I go for a walk in the morning when it is cool but really I don't have to deal with what's outside". [/font]

[font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]How many patients will come from Britain ultimately will depend on the NHS, which has begun sending patients for treatment to Europe to cope with its backlog of cases. At present the NHS restricts referrals to hospitals within three hours' flying time - but Indian hospitals say this barrier will eventually be lifted. [/font]

[font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]"It is inevitable. In the west you have rising healthcare costs and an ageing population," says Habil Khoraiwallah, chairman of Wockhardt, who plans to open five hospitals in India next year, including a new 350-bed hospital in Bangalore. "People are already discovering the benefits themselves. Governments will follow." [/font]

[font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]But campaigners say while the private medical industry is getting tax breaks and other incentives, the public healthcare system in India is falling apart. The country has less than one hospital bed per 1,000 people, compared with more than seven in first world countries. There are just four doctors in India for every 10,000 people, compared with 18 in Britain. [/font]

[font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]"The poor in India have no access to healthcare because it is either too expensive or not available. We have doctors but they are busy treating the rich in India," says Ravi Duggal, a researcher at Cehat, a health thinktank based in Mumbai. "Now we have another trend. For years we have been providing doctors to the western world. Now they are coming back and serving foreign patients at home." [/font]

<!--StartFragment -->[font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]What treatment costs

Heart bypass UK: £15,000
France: £13,000
US: £13,250
India: £4,300

Hip replacement UK: £9,000
France: £7,600
US: £15,900
India: £3,180

Cataract operation UK: £2,900
France: £1,000
US: £2,120
India: £660
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I bet he shat his pants when he landed there and the chaos and less-than-hygenic smell of the place hit him.
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What little Mr Marshall knew about the country was not favourable and at
first he was shocked by the organised chaos of India. "There are so many people
here. When I was in the car coming from the airport we got stuck in really heavy
traffic. It was hot, there were horns going off and people shouting. I thought,
'Oh hell, I've made a mistake.'"
 

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I am astonished that this article on Brits leaving the country for alternatives to NHS did not simply strike in you a chord that made you realise and feel the need to comment on how much America sucks. Wow.

While casting stones at India, don't forget this bit from the article:

Many say that it is not just cost but competency that is India's selling point. Naresh Trehan, who earned $2m (£1.06m) a year as a heart surgeon in Manhattan but returned to start Escorts hospital group in India, said that his hospital in Delhi completed 4,200 heart operations last year.

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"That is more than anyone else in the world. The death rate for coronary bypass patients at Escorts is 0.8% and the infection rate is 0.3%. This is well below the first-world averages of 1.2% for the death rate and 1% for infections," says Dr Trehan. "Nobody questions the capability of an Indian doctor, because there isn't a big hospital in the United States or Britain where there isn't an Indian doctor working."

Yes, I'd want to avoid doing business with the lowest per-patient death rate hopsital in the world at 1/3 the price primarily because the streets of Mumbai smell like armpit. Yes indeed.


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I don't know what it is about Indian med schools, but they do churn out great doctors. My family doc is Indian and I love her. She's sweet as pie and will even stay late to accommodate her patients if need be. I once saw her on a Saturday, even.

If the Brits have private health care, which would presumably free up space in public practices, why such a long wait? Would bypass surgery not be deemed emergent care and subject to a very short wait time? (Like, say, a week as it was for my grandfather.)
 

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It depends on the urgency of a case X.

Of 2 relatives that had heart attacks/disease one was done (bypass) in 6 days and another got stented (instead of a bypass) within 12 days.

Phaedrus. it's up to him what he does with his (after tax) cash.

The smell btw isn't of the armpit variety.
Don't flush the toilet in your house for a couple of weeks and you'll get the general idea. Its a bit of a culture shock for sensitive western noses and takes about a month before you don't notice it.
 

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