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not drawing a conclusion, Willie

if i'm in Brady's shoes and IM INNOCENT- that is i DID NOT tell those two to deflate the ball, then , I will most certainly use them in my defense - my lawyer to get them under oath. Done.




am I missing something? seriously. Why isn't Tom using them?
 

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begging the question, which is what detractors have to do

can't cite facts in their entirety, so they pick and choose and ignore the weight of the evidence

it's like debating truthers, they think a mole hill is larger than the rocky mountains (although that analogy is not a perfect fit given the facts and circumstances, it still does tell the story)


you edited and i posted before your edit


detractor? :)....let me make something perfectly clear;

i do not care if the Pats or ANY TEAM has won 2, 4, 6, 15 Super Bowls. I do not care who is in discussion as best hockey player of all time, tennis player, qb, etc. It's chat to pass the time , that is all.


Okay?


back to the topic at hand. i'm wondering WHY Tom would't use the two equipment chaps in his defense. That's WHAT I WOULD DO if i'm proving my innocence. They KNOW i didn't tell them to do anything with the balls. Tom has SAID AS MUCH under oath-- now , i dont understand why his lawyer wont get these two chaps under oath.

i don't get it. Do you?
 

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all I know is Brady is suspended for 4 games till further notice.. now that's a fact
 

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you edited and i posted before your edit


detractor? :)....let me make something perfectly clear;

i do not care if the Pats or ANY TEAM has won 2, 4, 6, 15 Super Bowls. I do not care who is in discussion as best hockey player of all time, tennis player, qb, etc. It's chat to pass the time , that is all.


Okay?


back to the topic at hand. i'm wondering WHY Tom would't use the two equipment chaps in his defense. That's WHAT I WOULD DO if i'm proving my innocence. They KNOW i didn't tell them to do anything with the balls. Tom has SAID AS MUCH under oath-- now , i dont understand why his lawyer wont get these two chaps under oath.

i don't get it. Do you?

those two chaps were both questioned, all the communications between Brady and those two chaps are in the possession of the NFL

the NFL is saying that because Brady was pissed after the Jets game when the NFL admits the balls were over-inflated to 16 PSI, that's evidence he instructed the equipment managers to under inflate the balls during the Colts game. It's beyond a joke. There is not one shred of evidence that there were any communications between Brady and the two chaps before or during the Colts game. We don't even know what the balls were measured at and approved by the refs before the game, thus there's really no evidence the balls were deflated at all. We know one of four Colts balls tested was also illegal, yet the stopped testing Colts balls and the Colts weren't punished.

This case gets laughed out of court, hence Roger did and is doing everything in his power to make sure that he's judge jury and executioner. He fighting for his career, he can't have an independent third party look at the evidence. The fact that the NFL doesn't want another set of eyes to look at the evidence should open a lot of eyes in and by itself. Yet good and smart people choose to ignore all of that, because they want to believe the Patriots cheated.

and for the record, brady never once communicated with one of the chaps, he didn't even know the man before all this nonsense.
 

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those two chaps were both questioned, all the communications between Brady and those two chaps are in the possession of the NFL

the NFL is saying that because Brady was pissed after the Jets game when the NFL admits the balls were over-inflated to 16 PSI, that's evidence he instructed the equipment managers to under inflate the balls during the Colts game. It's beyond a joke. There is not one shred of evidence that there were any communications between Brady and the two chaps before or during the Colts game. We don't even know what the balls were measured at and approved by the refs before the game, thus there's really no evidence the balls were deflated at all. We know one of four Colts balls tested was also illegal, yet the stopped testing Colts balls and the Colts weren't punished.

This case gets laughed out of court, hence Roger did and is doing everything in his power to make sure that he's judge jury and executioner. He fighting for his career, he can't have an independent third party look at the evidence. The fact that the NFL doesn't want another set of eyes to look at the evidence should open a lot of eyes in and by itself. Yet good and smart people choose to ignore all of that, because they want to believe the Patriots cheated.

and for the record, brady never once communicated with one of the chaps, he didn't even know the man before all this nonsense.


again, Tom is all in- under oath as saying he knows nothing about deflated balls. It appears, and rightfully so, he's fighting for HIS reputation. Kinda like- 'fuck off i didnt do anything'. Cool, i'd do the same.

what i don't get is and again i will repeat. During his defense why didn't his lawyer get those two chaps in front of the court and ask ; 'did Tom Brady at any point ask you to deflate the game balls?'

answer - 'no, he did not'


done, fuck off NFL. :)


they didn't though.....odd.
 
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Unfortunately, the independent wells report (which was then edited by nfl counsel Jeff Pash before it was released) didn't include the investigation conversations with the ball boys, which supposedly said that brady never ordered it. Notice a theme with this whole farce?
 

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again, Tom is all in- under oath as saying he knows nothing about deflated balls. It appears, and rightfully so, he's fighting for HIS reputation. Kinda like- 'fuck off i didnt do anything'. Cool, i'd do the same.

what i don't get is and again i will repeat. During his defense why didn't his lawyer get those two chaps in front of the court and ask ; 'did Tom Brady at any point ask you to deflate the game balls?'

answer - 'no, he did not'


done, fuck off NFL. :)


they didn't though.....odd.

what trial are you talking about? when are they supposed to have done this?

I think they may love that opportunity, Roger is suppressing all of that
 

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Unfortunately, the independent wells report (which was then edited by nfl counsel Jeff Pash before it was released) didn't include the investigation conversations with the ball boys, which supposedly said that brady never ordered it. Notice a theme with this whole farce?

astonishing



not really, just par for the course
 

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all I know is Brady is suspended for 4 games till further notice.. now that's a fact

a Roger Goodall fan I see

I can only surmise you like how he's handled this case

releasing false rumors, suppressing the facts, misrepresenting the facts, manipulating the facts, doing everything in his power to prevent an independent assessment of the facts, fighting to make sure he has the only voice...............................

I would always oppose such a process, I can't stand such bullshit
 

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The Patriots are like a convicted criminal with a past record..........Belichick was found guilty of clearly cheating in the past & so on ........& now if they do anything & it looks illegal just a bit, they get thrown under the bus.The Patriots will always be seen under this light as long as Belichick & Brady are on the team unfortunately.
 

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what trial are you talking about? when are they supposed to have done this?

I think they may love that opportunity, Roger is suppressing all of that



Im assuming , perhaps incorrectly so , he already had that opportunity . Could his lawyers have not asked for corroboration of his sworn testimony by the equipment chaps ? Where's acebb
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RedEye I'll bet you he gets under 2.5 games when this gets resolved.

that could easily happen... I'm not in that room negotiating so we'll see ...regardless he is guilty.. punishment is going to be something..
 

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a Roger Goodall fan I see

I can only surmise you like how he's handled this case

releasing false rumors, suppressing the facts, misrepresenting the facts, manipulating the facts, doing everything in his power to prevent an independent assessment of the facts, fighting to make sure he has the only voice...............................

I would always oppose such a process, I can't stand such bullshit

Roger Goodall is the worst commissioner in the history of the NFL....probably in the history of all the major sports.


Oh....and Brady cheated.
 

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The Patriots are like a convicted criminal with a past record..........Belichick was found guilty of clearly cheating in the past & so on ........& now if they do anything & it looks illegal just a bit, they get thrown under the bus.The Patriots will always be seen under this light as long as Belichick & Brady are on the team unfortunately.

"The Patriots will always be seen as Cheaters as long as Belichick & Brady are on the team" describes the opinion of those that want to marginalize the success that The Patriots have had, explain it away...minimize it. Guys who invest the time in understanding what exactly they've been accused of, like, the actual "crimes" they're accused of see those as more funny than actual Crimes. Spygate? Learn about what they were actually doing and you'll see the extent to which that was blown out of proportion is ridiculous, much like this...DeflateGate. Patriots have really not done anything even remotely close to as bad as its been made to sound they have and those who believe that their record is tarnished are just Blind Sheep parroting what Haters say instead of educating themselves & forming their own opinions.
 

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Im assuming , perhaps incorrectly so , he already had that opportunity . Could his lawyers have not asked for corroboration of his sworn testimony by the equipment chaps ? Where's acebb
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they were questioned by the NFL, and I think it's very safe to assume they were asked those very questions

if they answered yes, you know it gets mentioned in the Wells' report
if they refused to answer, you know it gets mentioned in the Wells' report

but if they answered no, them Roger and Wells have no use for them, so it doesn't get mentioned. Like all the other evidence that doesn't support their conclusion, they ignore it

what do you think about such assumptions?




again, this was not some legal process, this was and is a tainted biased manipulated massaged witch hunt
 

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"The Patriots will always be seen as Cheaters as long as Belichick & Brady are on the team" describes the opinion of those that want to marginalize the success that The Patriots have had, explain it away...minimize it. Guys who invest the time in understanding what exactly they've been accused of, like, the actual "crimes" they're accused of see those as more funny than actual Crimes. Spygate? Learn about what they were actually doing and you'll see the extent to which that was blown out of proportion is ridiculous, much like this...DeflateGate. Patriots have really not done anything even remotely close to as bad as its been made to sound they have and those who believe that their record is tarnished are just Blind Sheep parroting what Haters say instead of educating themselves & forming their own opinions.


scores of great players have come and gone, and not one of them has cited "cheating", but many many many of them have talked about superior game preparation

Bill gives them a tactical advantage like no other coach in the sport can
 

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scores of great players have come and gone, and not one of them has cited "cheating", but many many many of them have talked about superior game preparation

Bill gives them a tactical advantage like no other coach in the sport can




Willie, the tapes Belichick made of the Rams preparing for the super bowl is considered cheating......although I concur that he's gonna go down as one of the best coaches ever.
 

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scores of great players have come and gone, and not one of them has cited "cheating", but many many many of them have talked about superior game preparation

Bill gives them a tactical advantage like no other coach in the sport can

Are you suggesting we should put more Credence in what guys who've been in the trenches for and against The Patriots have to say

rather than Internet Pundits? Many of whom have allegiance to other NFL teams and/or just like Website Traffic?

Sounds reasonable to me but...

Were NFL fans to really educate themselves on what was behind, involved with, Spygate and then intelligently view this Deflation of Balls crap

what would we be left with to argue about?
 

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Willie, the tapes Belichick made of the Rams preparing for the super bowl is considered cheating......although I concur that he's gonna go down as one of the best coaches ever.
Factually incorrect. Did not happen but that's what some people believe. Unreal.
 

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