Brady Gets 4 Games

[akphidelt]

Here is the question though? Why did the pats fire the two ball guys? It is pretty obvious what happened.....Brady said I like the balls at such and such psi and you guys need to have them there. As always, the coverup is what gets them...and the previous patriot cheating scandals hurts them as well.

That Brady press conference was a killer for him. Obviously lying.

To me, even though the texts were in a joking tone, I'd fire them also. Talking about taking shoes against the bosses wishes, saying things like "Fuck Tom", talking about giving him overinflated footballs, etc. All jokes no doubt, but definitely enough there to let them go.

And I still haven't seen any lie that Brady told. People say it was him saying he didn't know McNally, but people are coming out saying that the team calls McNally "Bird" and that's how most of the players know him. The texts definitely never said Brady talked to or said the name McNally.

Not saying there isn't a chance of a grand conspiracy, just saying the evidence is incredibly weak to prove Brady did anything.

 

[vitterd]

To me, even though the texts were in a joking tone, I'd fire them also. Talking about taking shoes against the bosses wishes, saying things like "Fuck Tom", talking about giving him overinflated footballs, etc. All jokes no doubt, but definitely enough there to let them go.

And I still haven't seen any lie that Brady told. People say it was him saying he didn't know McNally, but people are coming out saying that the team calls McNally "Bird" and that's how most of the players know him. The texts definitely never said Brady talked to or said the name McNally.

Not saying there isn't a chance of a grand conspiracy, just saying the evidence is incredibly weak to prove Brady did anything.

Ehhhh....I see it differently....the balls were under inflated and that is clear. Balls don't deflate like that on a 51 degree day.....if he woulda just came out and admitted it....it wouldnt be so bad.

The only thing I've seen worse than Brady press conference was jdeucebag response to his lie about his Denver bet. Lol.

 

[akphidelt]

Ehhhh....I see it differently....the balls were under inflated and that is clear. Balls don't deflate like that on a 51 degree day.....if he woulda just came out and admitted it....it wouldnt be so bad.

The only thing I've seen worse than Brady press conference was jdeucebag response to his lie about his Denver bet. Lol.

Haha, I just have to disagree here. I haven't seen any accusations of Brady lying about anything proven. It's possible the ball boys deflated the balls and it's possible Brady was pissed at them after the Jets game because the balls were over inflated. None of that means Brady had anything to do with them cheating or taking the balls from the refs.

I still can't believe Well's didn't question the refs or the NFL over the accusation in the text messages that the refs pumped the balls up to 16 psi. And that just so happens to be the game where there are reports that Brady went off on the ball boys because the balls felt too heavy. Definitely nothing wrong with that. And not going to lie, our high school equipment managers had a stressful job making sure things were the way the players wanted, if they screwed up our coach would let them have it. I can't even imagine the level of stress making sure everything is right for the Patriots. Just nothing in the report could not be explained by Tom Brady just pissed off that the balls were over inflated and Tom Brady liking the balls in a certain way.

 

[Vlad the Impaler]

why do some of you say suspend Luck. The NFL may fold if that happens

 

[vitterd]

Haha, I just have to disagree here. I haven't seen any accusations of Brady lying about anything proven. It's possible the ball boys deflated the balls and it's possible Brady was pissed at them after the Jets game because the balls were over inflated. None of that means Brady had anything to do with them cheating or taking the balls from the refs.

I still can't believe Well's didn't question the refs or the NFL over the accusation in the text messages that the refs pumped the balls up to 16 psi. And that just so happens to be the game where there are reports that Brady went off on the ball boys because the balls felt too heavy. Definitely nothing wrong with that. And not going to lie, our high school equipment managers had a stressful job making sure things were the way the players wanted, if they screwed up our coach would let them have it. I can't even imagine the level of stress making sure everything is right for the Patriots. Just nothing in the report could not be explained by Tom Brady just pissed off that the balls were over inflated and Tom Brady liking the balls in a certain way.

The balls were deflated. That isn't in dispute. I think common sense tells us how it got there. Maybe there is no proof beyond a reasonable doubt by I see it is more likely than not that Brady was the reason the balls were deflated

 

[PatPatriot]

lso buried in the story is the fact that the Colts' game balls supposedly start at 13 PSI, and if that's the case, then all 4 of the Colts' balls that were tested actually deflated during the course of the 1st half. Problem with that argument is that nobody knows what each ball started at, just like nobody knows what the Patriots' balls started at. Those numbers are not recorded, ever. My position would be that whatever position you take, you need to take consistently. And if that's the case, either position works for the Patriots.

And the fact that there were more than two gauges with different readings involved.

And that the fact that Ref Anderson's best recollection is that he used the gauge with the bent needle which would put all the balls from the Pats and colts at a reasonable deflation rate. Wells totally dismissed his recollection while at the same time in the report brags about Anderson being an 1st rate impeccable honest witness.

The balls were deflated. That isn't in dispute. I think common sense tells us how it got there. Maybe there is no proof beyond a reasonable doubt by I see it is more likely than not that Brady was the reason the balls were deflated

And there is absolutley NO eveidence that TB ordered anyone to defalte the balls below acceptable levels.

 

[Acebb]

On the matter as to why the Pats suspended the 2 employees:

For those asking why Patriots suspended two employees if those two did nothing wrong, as New England claims: NFL asked Pats to suspend them prior to discipline being handed down, per a league source in New York. New England obliged with the NFL's request.

--[h=1]Adam Schefter[/h]
I don't know why guesser went all caps in those responses.

 

[doubledeuce22]

On the matter as to why the Pats suspended the 2 employees:

For those asking why Patriots suspended two employees if those two did nothing wrong, as New England claims: NFL asked Pats to suspend them prior to discipline being handed down, per a league source in New York. New England obliged with the NFL's request.

--Adam Schefter


I don't know why guesser went all caps in those responses.

lol this league is a joke. Nfl is going to look really bad in this when it's finally over.. especially the way they control leaks to set up a nationwide sentiment on this.

according to profootballtalk, they are basically negotiating with the patriots behind close doors.

Other owners should be embarrassed that goodell even went down this road with a full investigation. Nothing good was going to come from it from the league as evident by asking simple questions. what did the balls weigh before the game (ugh we don't know) were both teams balls under level at halftime (umm yes) is there any stadard procedure for measuring and accurately logging balls before game (no, we've never logged the measurements before or at halftime in the history of the nfl). Roger why are we here (um I don't know).

 

[PatsFanatic]

I don't know why guesser went all caps in those responses.

Because he REALLY WANTED TO PROVE HOW WRONG HE WAS...

 

[vitterd]

lol this league is a joke. Nfl is going to look really bad in this when it's finally over.. especially the way they control leaks to set up a nationwide sentiment on this.

according to profootballtalk, they are basically negotiating with the patriots behind close doors.

Other owners should be embarrassed that goodell even went down this road with a full investigation. Nothing good was going to come from it from the league as evident by asking simple questions. what did the balls weigh before the game (ugh we don't know) were both teams balls under level at halftime (umm yes) is there any stadard procedure for measuring and accurately logging balls before game (no, we've never logged the measurements before or at halftime in the history of the nfl). Roger why are we here (um I don't know).

I doubt the nfl will look bad to the average fan here. Manipulating the football is an issue that should be dealt with and Brady should be punished for it. Probably not as harsh as they did but a punishment is appropriate

 

[doubledeuce22]

I doubt the nfl will look bad to the average fan here. Manipulating the football is an issue that should be dealt with and Brady should be punished for it. Probably not as harsh as they did but a punishment is appropriate

If and when the pats end up with a slap on wrist, I think people will go nuts. Pretty clear at this point the league and NE are trying to resolve this themselves and might not even get to arbitration.

League does not want this going to court. Brady v NFL would be a disaster.

 

[slapshot]

If and when the pats end up with a slap on wrist, I think people will go nuts. Pretty clear at this point the league and NE are trying to resolve this themselves and might not even get to arbitration.

League does not want this going to court. Brady v NFL would be a disaster.

He already got a slap on the wrist

 

[GoForBroke]

<header class="tweet-header" style="color: rgb(41, 47, 51); font-family: Arial, Verdana, sans-serif; line-height: 18px; widows: auto; background-color: rgb(252, 252, 252);">NFL Network @nflnetwork</header>"I'm going to accept, reluctantly, what (Commissioner Goodell) has given to us...We won't appeal." - Robert Kraft

 

[slapshot]

Hahaha for the good of the game

 

[GoForBroke]

<header class="tweet-header" style="color: rgb(41, 47, 51); font-family: Arial, Verdana, sans-serif; line-height: 18px; widows: auto; background-color: rgb(252, 252, 252);">Michael Smith @michaelsmith
</header>"Take the 1st and the 4th and the $1M. Spare my QB." My hunch is that's the plea bargain deal Kraft is trying to work with out with Goodell

 

[scottcarter]

[h=1]Robert Kraft: Patriots won't appeal Deflategate punishment[/h]
http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story...ngland-patriots-appeal-deflategate-punishment

 

[doubledeuce22]

As much as I'd love to see Kraft fight this... Im fine with him doing what he did. At this point his only recourse would to sue the league, but I don't think he wanted to go down the road that only sterling and al davis has done.

I also think that at this point brady will end up with zero games.. There's nothing in the report that implicates him with anything regarding under inflating schemes or knowledge of such. Easy for the league to say this as well in some form of statement after his appeal.

 

[gijoe]

FROM KRAFT WANTING A APOLOGY TO NO APPEAL. I THINK THE DEFLATERS WERE READY TO TELL WHAT REALLY HAPPENED AND THEY DID NOT LIKE Brady

 

[doubledeuce22]

FROM KRAFT WANTING A APOLOGY TO NO APPEAL. I THINK THE DEFLATERS WERE READY TO TELL WHAT REALLY HAPPENED AND THEY DID NOT LIKE Brady

I doubt Brady serves a game, maybe one tops.

 

[OneZero]

As much as I'd love to see Kraft fight this...

I also think that at this point brady will end up with zero games.. There's nothing in the report that implicates him with anything regarding under inflating schemes or knowledge of such. Easy for the league to say this as well in some form of statement after his appeal.

That was my initial thought when hearing about Kraft. 'Take our first round pick (most likely 26-32), take a million, and a 4th rounder the following year,' but Brady gets 0-1 games. You've already seen leaked reports that they were trying to work a deal 'behind the scenes'