Boxing;2/5/2004; St.Louis, Mo.; Cory Spinks-Zab Judah.....

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Spinks-163; Judah+153. This is what I call a 5 point factors analysis resulting in a degree of prediction certainty. My criteria are Hunger, weight, experience, skill, and other.
Hunger: Both I feel are equally motivated here and exhibit the same degree of hunger to win. Spinks knows he must win to validate his last victory over Zab; Judah knows a loss here and he starts to fall off the radar. Edge-none.
Weight; Spinks is the natural welter and has successfully fought at this weight. Judah is moving up but at 27 years of age he is filling out and may be comfortable here. Edge-Spinks.
Experience: Both have been in big fights. Based on their respective histories, I give Judah the nod here. Edge-Judah.
Skill: Tough one. Cory I feel is deceptive. Not flashy but tough and determined. Kevin Cunningham may have a lot to do with this. Good boxing skills and decent movement.
Judah is faster I think and has more mustard on his shots. Has a nasty habit of backing straight back and keeping his hand(s) low. He gets cocky if he is ahead and gets lazy.
I think also he got skittish after he did the chicken dance from Tszyu's shot back when. I'd say their skills cancel out each other. Edge-none.
Other: Here we may find our most telling aspects to ponder. The venue is St. Louis. Spinks did not want to fight in MSG. Most boxers would fall all over themselves to fight in the Garden. Not sure if this is a good or bad omen for Spinks. Cunningham is a superb trainer and I feel a plus for Spinks over Joel Judah. Spinks did win the last fight, but ran out of gas and Judah was coming on. State of mind in this fight may determine the outcome. Spinks will most likely come in focused and all business. Judah will be on his game in the opening rounds but will he stay focused? In the maturity department, Judah leaves a lot to be desired. Perhaps he thinks pure talent alone will carry him to victory. I'm not sure. Intangible factors favor Spinks here.
This fight is very close so we must consider the price. At +153, I'd say Judah is as live a dog as you will see. This is not a mismatch and he is not an opponent. My play is Judah for the price in an almost even matchup.
 

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Tell us about Beck. Why will he win? What does he have Barrett doesn't?
 

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I am on Judah also.. Your break down was very good. I think that we know what to expect from Spinks, but Judah is about as much of a Wild card as there is in boxing. He is quick as hell, and has power at 147. Zab had a interview on a radio station in boston last week, and he says he will knock him out. He also said that he learned his lesson in that fight and will never lose focus again. Maybe im a sucker, but I will believe him and ride with him one more time. He has been such an eningma, who looks like he is bored in that ring. I just think that he wont sit around, and will take it to Spinks. Plus, the winner will be in line for either DLH or Mosley.. Zab would be such a better sell than Cory for those fights.

By the way, you just saying that because you know Beck???? Smokey i respect your opinion, but for most of us we have never seen Beck, and this is like a blind bet. Barrett is a solid pro, not a top 5 guy, but a veteran who knows how to fight. Maybe you can enlighten us???
 

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Zab is always a surprise as you say. He would be a more exciting draw without a doubt if he looks impressive. Well, I guess us "suckers" will hold our collective breath. It's just that left of Judah's is dangerous. Hope at least it's a close one!
 

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I like under 11' rounds @ +216 (pinny). I lot of things can happen in a fight to give you an under. Opinions?
 

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Zab Judah is not the real deal. Zab has failed each and every time that he has been in with a real test. The first occasion was with Kostya and the second occasion was versus Spinks.

I see Judah having the same problems this time around with Spinks. I think Judah is a kid that will never mature into a seasoned fighter able to take on and defeat the best in his division. In other words, he just is not the total package. I think his chin is suspect and he has difficulty with pure boxers.
 

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Kenny B said:
I like under 11' rounds @ +216 (pinny). I lot of things can happen in a fight to give you an under. Opinions?

Not really a good bet IMO. Spinks KO'ing Judah is a long shot. In the first fight he hit Judah with some good shots. He dropped Judah but only because Judah was squared up. Judah wasn't hurt. You could have the guys headbutting each other and opening a cut ending the fight. Kind of a longshot except Spinks has been cut a couple of times and his fight with Rafael Pineda was ended when he got a nasty gash from a headbutt. The last possibilty is that Judah KO's SPinks. Out of the options for this fight going under, that is BY FAR the most likely. You can get Judah within the distance at 5dimes for +330 (started at +340 I believe). Why bet the under when you get Judah within the distance at such a better price and that's the most likely way it will go under.
 

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Hilo Boy said:
spinks can hurt judah. still a big question on judahs chin.

Judah's chin sucks, Spinks never really hurt Judah the first time though. I think he would have to catch Judah with something he don't see coming to hurt him. Even if Spinks knocks Judah down I don't think he can keep him there.
 

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If you like the under, its prob a better idea to take Zab by KO.. I realy dont think Spinks could take him out with one big shot. He would need a bunch, and its not his style to plant and let go.
 

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Zab by KO or Spinks by decision are the best prop bets if you want to bet this fight. I truly believe this fight should be left alone. Judah is the most talented waste I have ever seen and Spinks is waiting to be KTFO. What will happen in this fight? I have no idea and I bet many experts or even you guys, the best boxer bettors around, have no idea what might happen.
 
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If you like the under, its prob a better idea to take Zab by KO.. I realy dont think Spinks could take him out with one big shot. He would need a bunch, and its not his style to plant and let go.

Especially not after being hurt so bad in the first fight. I expect Spinks to be very carefull. Can a very carefull Spinks keep Zab off balance? I can't answer that question.
 

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Especially not after being hurt so bad in the first fight. I expect Spinks to be very carefull. Can a very carefull Spinks keep Zab off balance? I can't answer that question.

Def. Spinks knows what he has to do.. Judah is the wild card here. If your going to bet the under, atleast you will get more with Judah by KO.. I could easily see This one going the distance. Zab is really going to have to press the issue here.
 

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Beck hasnt fought ANYONE and Barrett is the worst underachiever I have ever seen. Beck is managed by Carl King. Don King is promoting this card. You guys do the math. Barrett can maybe KO Beck, but if it goes to a decision, my guess is as good as yours who wins. IMHO, NO BET!!!
 

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Well I saw early money go towards BECK at Pinny from +178 all the way down to +138....now its back up to +175...obvioulsy BARRETT money came in...take that for what its worth.
 

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Hilo Boy said:
i think beck is a stiff waiting to be exposed.

Have you seen him fight ?
The problem is judging him by his record he was down against two fighters that are not even journeymens but victims.
Is he fighting without defence or is he slow or what ?
I would like to bet the fight and i have seen Barrett often enough to know what to expect but beck is a a total x on my screen.
I believe the under 9.5 for +170 looks pretty good although Barrett is not easy to knock out but i believe Beck is the one going down.
But a little more info on Beck would be great.
 

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i don`t see judah winning by decision in st louis..unless king wants a spinks/judah 3 badly enough......and spinks has numerous opportunities regardless of of what happens to judah....the guy`s undefeated(picchirillo didn`t beat him).......and can draw fans like crazy in missou.....he`s money for king....even with that style...at the right venue....judah`s an underachiever...a headcase...


judah is not out-slicking the taller spinks..he takes to much time off during rounds.........and even though judah`s chin is suspect,i`m not sure that spinks has the power to get him out....zab`s been down...only tszyu got him out of there....spinks doesn`t hit like tszyu...even at the higher weight...

have to think that after hurting spinks so badly late in the first bout,he`s kicking himself for dicking around for 10.5 rounds....and he understands he`ll have to take some chances...he just doesn`t have the work rate to outbox spinks...unless something changes...and it usually doesn`t...

.so i kinda like judah inside the distance at +335 at oly/
and either spinks -155.....or spinks by decision(if you feel bold) at +101.......

i expect this to be similar to the first one....with spinks outboxing judah....but,if jidah has a brain in that head,he must realize he has to put some hurt on spinks....press him...

the one time i thought spinks was going to lose was vs rafael pineda...he was walking through spinks until spinks got cut accidentally...he was on the way to a loss... thought he was behind and fading,myself...

spinks was easily winning fight 1 until the knockdown,imo....some said it was close...not in my opinion....

judah has to come and get cory...if he wants to win...and zab`s style isn`t to dance around or run... .....he`s very fast...but he stands in quite a bit...he plays coy with spinks,he`ll lose again for sure...

i really don`t expect him to get it done..one big edge that spinks has is kevin cunningham in his corner(franks mentioned it)...the guy is an excellent trainer/cornerman....one of the best i`ve seen...better than some of the higher profile guys,imo......judah seems to pay attention to no one...

judah has to hurt spinks...
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