Bodog is a must unless you like to bet nothing but favorites. You are giving up way too much value by dropping them from your list, can't remember how many times I used them in football last year even though they don't have reduced juice. Just like Canbet, may not be perfect but as long as the lines offer value I won't complain. And just like some said, I have been with them for years and never received a thing in the mail. Suppose only when they don't have you locked up that they send you stuff.
Wildbill,
Could you please tell me how you avoided being dealt the dual line?
I was with them for less than a month when all of a sudden the lines they advertised were unavailable to me. Needless to say I pulled out quick. That practice is totally unethical IMO and amounts to false advertising.
Could you please tell me how you avoided being dealt the dual line?
I was with them for less than a month when all of a sudden the lines they advertised were unavailable to me. Needless to say I pulled out quick. That practice is totally unethical IMO and amounts to false advertising.
If I get dealt the dual line or not, I play the best number that is offered from all of the books I use. I don't believe any book owes me any particular bet or line. They give us a shot at either way on a number, it falls on us to play it or pass on it. If they moved a number and someone else offered something better, I obviously backed off and took my play elsewhere.
In the end I don't think there is anything false about their advertising unless they went and changed the bet after I got a confirmed, something they have never done. Otherwise I personally wouldn't call it false advertising. They can deal 15 lines for all I care, I just take my shot at the one they put out there for me.
In the end I don't think there is anything false about their advertising unless they went and changed the bet after I got a confirmed, something they have never done. Otherwise I personally wouldn't call it false advertising. They can deal 15 lines for all I care, I just take my shot at the one they put out there for me.
Are you saying, then, that the plain vanilla numbers they give to sharps have value as well? Your first post implied that you find value in the dogs generally. But isn't the whole purpose of their dual line to take away the opportunity from those who capitalize on the dogs while continuing to allow the favorite bettors to shoot themselves in the foot?
Lets be real here...Bodog does not have standard juice. They have 30c juice because of the dual line. To deal 30c juice yet advertise standard 20c juice is false advertising in my book. All they need to do to straighten it out is put an asterisk on their lines and make a footnote explaining their dual line practice (heck, it could even be tucked away in section 5.6.32 of their rules, but they don't even do that, do they!?), and then all false advertising claims would be groundless.
Make no mistake...if you play at Bodog you are facing 30c juice, the worst in the industry!!!
Lets be real here...Bodog does not have standard juice. They have 30c juice because of the dual line. To deal 30c juice yet advertise standard 20c juice is false advertising in my book. All they need to do to straighten it out is put an asterisk on their lines and make a footnote explaining their dual line practice (heck, it could even be tucked away in section 5.6.32 of their rules, but they don't even do that, do they!?), and then all false advertising claims would be groundless.
Make no mistake...if you play at Bodog you are facing 30c juice, the worst in the industry!!!
That is only true if you don't play anywhere else. Darryl, I know a lot of people agree on your thinking, but I just don't. I think books can do whatever they choose as part of their business policies and of course I can choose not to have any part of them. I stay with them because the value is very strong. I get numbers I can't get elsewhere with them, mostly on the dogs of course. If they wanted to take that value away from me and deal me a "normal" line, by all means I would be going elsewhere. Even though they might move numbers around somewhat, I don't think it is something only they do, nor do I think it should matter as long as you are getting a good number from them on any particular matchup. Call it misleading or deceptive if you choose, but still if I get half a point there no one else is willing to give me, why should I turn it down???
WildBill--I would only expect you to defend a book at the RX. Not surprising. I don't say they don't pay--I don't know. Guess they do. What I do say is that their advertizing is not only aggresive but to some "suggestive". Yesterdays large postcard--with one cheerleader, allreaying in a short skirt--like they wear, is puliing on another's girl's skirt is a pretty low ad I think." Maybe the postal service hasn't been notified". Oh Yes--it came from Blaine-Wahington. That's is the US--last I heard!
They Suck---IMO!
They Suck---IMO!
I have had an account with bodog over a year and they have treated me great. Ok the lines may be posted a bit later than others but who cares. Pick and choose your lines. IF u dont care for them dont bet them. They are super fast in their payoffs and right down to the penny. Good customer service...I like them..AS far as junk mail..I have never received anything from them....Try Bodog once or twice and let me know!! And I dont own the darn company!!!
I dont get it. To me all the junk mail means that many more squares are signing up. I like that. Takes all of 5-6 seconds to throw it away. When judging a book I look at line variance and payouts. Bodog passes on both counts. I put in a neteller withdrawal this afternoon for 2500 at about noon. Went to lunch, came back and checked... bam! Wasnt expecting that quick. Thanks Rob!
Bodogs policy, told to me by Rob Gilespie, is they will not take Canadian customers to avoid trouble with their Canadian office, as the legal status of offshore betting is tenuous. Canada basically has said they won't intervene to stop people from betting offshore, but they will still prosecute people betting with Canadian outlets, so in this case Bodog could face trouble. They are very firm about keeping clear lines in that they have no Canadian customers and no American workers. The sad state we live in with our government.
OMT, I would defend any book I thought got a bad rap, whether they advertised here or not. I think my point is very valid, one that I have come to from years of betting. Books don't exist as charity for us. I will defend them and players, but also call both sides out if I think something unreasonable is going on. But as far as dealing lines or changing limits, that is all part of their business and we must adjust accordingly. If a book was the only game in town there might be a bit more of an argument, but that isn't the case.
OMT, I would defend any book I thought got a bad rap, whether they advertised here or not. I think my point is very valid, one that I have come to from years of betting. Books don't exist as charity for us. I will defend them and players, but also call both sides out if I think something unreasonable is going on. But as far as dealing lines or changing limits, that is all part of their business and we must adjust accordingly. If a book was the only game in town there might be a bit more of an argument, but that isn't the case.
My beef with BoDog has nothing to do with them being successful. Pinnacle is successful and I have nothing but awe and admiration for them.
I agree with WildBill in that no sportsbook owes a player good lines, good deals, money making opportunities or anything else. My angle is different and I thought that should be obvious by now.
The problem with BoDog is that unless a player reads some of my posts, he will sign up with them thinking he can get the lines he sees advertised on the various live lines feeds. Then if he happens to like dogs, after a few days of betting he will get a surprise -- the lines will have suddenly changed!
I know I'm a weirdo because I hate being deceived. I make a big principle thing out it and all. Well, it's not just me. Think of any business with full legal legitimacy and see if they could get away with something similar...
How about insurance? They send flyers advertising rates, you sign up, start paying the advertised rates, then 2 months later they change them on you because they think you're a smart insurance shopper!? Would that fly?
How about a department store? You buy items at advertised sale prices, then a few weeks later you do it again without buying anything at regular prices, then the third time when you go to the cashier they tell you about their 10% markup policy for smart shoppers which they don't mention anywhere. Would that fly?
All of WildBill's arguments could equally apply to the above two examples -- I don't have to buy those products/services, they don't owe me good deals etc., yet still those businesses would NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS get away with those practices. Why do you think that is!? And why is it any different from sports wagering? Please tell me. I'm all ears.
If we want to raise the level of sports betting to have the same legitimacy as other businesses, we need the same ethics to apply to them, otherwise it will continue to have a pseudo underworld status and all the legal hassles and complications are well deserved IMO.
Sometimes you have to go beyond the level of a squirrel sniffing for acorns and take a look at the whole forest.
I agree with WildBill in that no sportsbook owes a player good lines, good deals, money making opportunities or anything else. My angle is different and I thought that should be obvious by now.
The problem with BoDog is that unless a player reads some of my posts, he will sign up with them thinking he can get the lines he sees advertised on the various live lines feeds. Then if he happens to like dogs, after a few days of betting he will get a surprise -- the lines will have suddenly changed!
I know I'm a weirdo because I hate being deceived. I make a big principle thing out it and all. Well, it's not just me. Think of any business with full legal legitimacy and see if they could get away with something similar...
How about insurance? They send flyers advertising rates, you sign up, start paying the advertised rates, then 2 months later they change them on you because they think you're a smart insurance shopper!? Would that fly?
How about a department store? You buy items at advertised sale prices, then a few weeks later you do it again without buying anything at regular prices, then the third time when you go to the cashier they tell you about their 10% markup policy for smart shoppers which they don't mention anywhere. Would that fly?
All of WildBill's arguments could equally apply to the above two examples -- I don't have to buy those products/services, they don't owe me good deals etc., yet still those businesses would NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS get away with those practices. Why do you think that is!? And why is it any different from sports wagering? Please tell me. I'm all ears.
If we want to raise the level of sports betting to have the same legitimacy as other businesses, we need the same ethics to apply to them, otherwise it will continue to have a pseudo underworld status and all the legal hassles and complications are well deserved IMO.
Sometimes you have to go beyond the level of a squirrel sniffing for acorns and take a look at the whole forest.
The plain and simple reason that I hate them is that they continue to mail me advertizing that is NOT descreet! It invites attention, by it's suggestiveness. Do you think any Female employees of the Postal service were offended? There is NO DAMM EXCUSE for it. With my name and address on it--more attention.
I hope they go BROKE!
I hope they go BROKE!
Darryl,
Love your points. Those are very true and I never quite looked at it that way. Unfortunately this business has problems both ways, books taking advantage of players and players taking advantage of books. If only we could have it both ways acted straight up and we all probably would be much better off.
OMT,
Point taken. I don't like the ladies pictures being all over either, but I guess we all expect it now.
Love your points. Those are very true and I never quite looked at it that way. Unfortunately this business has problems both ways, books taking advantage of players and players taking advantage of books. If only we could have it both ways acted straight up and we all probably would be much better off.
OMT,
Point taken. I don't like the ladies pictures being all over either, but I guess we all expect it now.
Bodog negatives:
1) send unwarranted emails
2) deal dual lines
3) doesnt accept canadian residents
4) 2 dimes max on baseball at the current line
Bodog positives:
1) fast payouts
2) no fee on neteller withdrawals
3) good range of dog lines
4) fair casino with comp for all action
5) 10-20% unlimited cash bonuses
6) easy to navigate website with all the scores and lines for all events posted all day long.
7) advertises on the RX
8) does not get into posting wars
9) website hardly ever down
10) phone clerks always available even at peak hours
hmmmmmmm the positives by far outweigh the negatives. Great book despite all the trivial attacks.
1) send unwarranted emails
2) deal dual lines
3) doesnt accept canadian residents
4) 2 dimes max on baseball at the current line
Bodog positives:
1) fast payouts
2) no fee on neteller withdrawals
3) good range of dog lines
4) fair casino with comp for all action
5) 10-20% unlimited cash bonuses
6) easy to navigate website with all the scores and lines for all events posted all day long.
7) advertises on the RX
8) does not get into posting wars
9) website hardly ever down
10) phone clerks always available even at peak hours
hmmmmmmm the positives by far outweigh the negatives. Great book despite all the trivial attacks.
