Big 12 Off Season Thread 2014

[tmader7]

Talk about some "X Files" kinda weird. I'm watching the tennis with my 96 year old grandmother (yeah, that's a NINE followed by SIX, and I played for the 'Dores so I get a pass here) and ESPN just tickered by Mixon, suspended. I think, and I've had a couple of glasses of vino with grands, that I saw it's a wrap for him this season. GS can correct me if I'm seeing stupid, but even my grands commented some wiseass remark about, hey grandson, weren't you in Oklahoma??? Nothing more absurd than a redwood relative telling you what's up.

~T~

 

[jblonghorn]

Shannon was OU's leading tackler last year, so yes it hurts...I'm hoping he doesn't do something stupid and go pro in the next year. I don't think his draft status would be very high if he did.

So has this been verified that Shannon has been suspended? Last I'd heard he had been suspended but he was appealing the ruling and Stoops was still allowing him to practice and even giving him 80% of first team snaps? Also announced today was the stud Frosh RB Joe Mixon was handed a misdemeanor today, which means he might miss one snap....of practice time. Between him, Shannon and Dorial Green-Beckham and all of their raping, breaking girls jaws and throwing them down flights of stairs, Stoops sure doesn't care about how young men treat young women. Stoops sounds like the kind of guy that would keep these kids on the team even if one of these girls that had one of these things done to them (Shannon raped a girl, Mixon broke a girls jaw, on video and DGB threw a girl down a flight of stairs after being arrested for drugs twice before that) was his own daughter. It's really weird. But it's all about winning!

 

[jblonghorn]

JB, A&M is picked to finish next to last in their division. They aren't expected to do anything this year. Quit acting like it's going to be a big surprise if they have a bad year. I would worry more about your Horns. They are getting thinner by the minute. And Charlie is at it again with the latest victim being RT Kennedy Estelle. I'm not sure what the bullshit reason is this time. All I know is Texas is now down to one starter on the OL. And Jaxon Shipley also got hurt yesterday. So now you pretty much have zero WR depth...Good luck with all dat....

Not sure where you're getting your info from GS but it's incorrect. Here was today's starting O-Line in the scrimmage with a small report-

From left to right, Estelle, Flowers, Espinosa, Perkins, and Harrison. This unit had another solid day and they're starting to develop some cohesiveness especially in pre-snap line calls which was a focal point today for Coach Wickline.

And Texas A&M is ranked in every single pre-season poll. Anywhere from 15th to 21st, so I haven't heard of anyone saying A&M is going to have a bad year. When a team is ranked in every single poll I don't consider that as people thinking they're going to have a bad year. You know?

 

[GoSooners]

So has this been verified that Shannon has been suspended? Last I'd heard he had been suspended but he was appealing the ruling and Stoops was still allowing him to practice and even giving him 80% of first team snaps? Also announced today was the stud Frosh RB Joe Mixon was handed a misdemeanor today, which means he might miss one snap....of practice time. Between him, Shannon and Dorial Green-Beckham and all of their raping, breaking girls jaws and throwing them down flights of stairs, Stoops sure doesn't care about how young men treat young women. Stoops sounds like the kind of guy that would keep these kids on the team even if one of these girls that had one of these things done to them (Shannon raped a girl, Mixon broke a girls jaw, on video and DGB threw a girl down a flight of stairs after being arrested for drugs twice before that) was his own daughter. It's really weird. But it's all about winning!

Shannon is appealing through the courts. That's why he's been allowed to practice and OU can't doing anything about it until the appeals process is over. But he's done for a year. My guess is Mixon is gone too even though his crime was lowered to a misdemeanor. Considering their crimes, I don't see anything out of the ordinary of what any other school would do. Quit acting like it's all on Stoops. The school is the one who evaluates Mixon's status, as well as the others. Stoops tolerates very little. But he believes in second chances AFTER a player has served his punishment. Mack Brown and Texas allowed this kind of stuff for years, and swept it under the rug, as we are now finding out. You've spent years on here talking about how Mack Brown and the university were squeaky clean and could do no wrong. Then Charlie Strong arrives and suddenly half of the team is in trouble. This tells me everything I need to know about the country club atmosphere around Texas. I'm surprised after that embarrassment that you even still come into my threads. Anybody else would have kicked the ground lowered their head and told me "I'm sorry GoSooners, I was wrong all of these years about Texas." You have no shame JB...

 

[rolltide]

GS,

do you feel it's a slippery slope he's going down by bringing in guys like DGB and allowing shannon & mixon to hang around? at the very least it opens him up to some criticism down the road.

seems he's taking the Les Miles approach of "innocent until proven guilty" and even "innocent after proven guilty to lesser charge" which most other SEC schools abhor.

then again Lesticles walks to the beat of his own very strange drummer while Stoops seems to be very well respected by his coaching colleagues

ha ha...JB acting like Texas should be the poster child of discipline. he's always good for a snicker

 

[russ1945]

GS,

do you feel it's a slippery slope he's going down by bringing in guys like DGB and allowing shannon & mixon to hang around? at the very least it opens him up to some criticism down the road.

seems he's taking the Les Miles approach of "innocent until proven guilty" and even "innocent after proven guilty to lesser charge" which most other SEC schools abhor.

then again Lesticles walks to the beat of his own very strange drummer while Stoops seems to be very well respected by his coaching colleagues

ha ha...JB acting like Texas should be the poster child of discipline. he's always good for a snicker

RT Stoops has mellowed out over the years. Maybe he is sticking his neck out for a hopeless cause. Would he do the same for someone not as talented or at least as highly touted as DGB. Who knows. Maybe someone will do the same thing for Mixon on down the road. Kids are kids, even 250 lb ones. I will never condemn a coach for taking in a stray but you might queston his motives. If in the end the kid pulls his head out of his ass then Stoops can say he helped his own cause, helped the team, and helped a kid that no one else wanted to help for whatever reasons. I don't think Oklahoma will become a safe haven for stray dogs but I think they might feed and shelter a few until they find a home. LOL

 

[GoSooners]

GS,

do you feel it's a slippery slope he's going down by bringing in guys like DGB and allowing shannon & mixon to hang around? at the very least it opens him up to some criticism down the road.

seems he's taking the Les Miles approach of "innocent until proven guilty" and even "innocent after proven guilty to lesser charge" which most other SEC schools abhor.

then again Lesticles walks to the beat of his own very strange drummer while Stoops seems to be very well respected by his coaching colleagues

ha ha...JB acting like Texas should be the poster child of discipline. he's always good for a snicker

RT, I know that collectively these incidents look like a big problem for OU. The press never helps the situation either since they are going to dig and dig until they make the public see it their way. But these are 3 different incidents that just happen to be going on at one time. OU recruited DGB at the same time that this Shannon incident was going on. So OU knew what they were getting into with bringing in DGB. But Stoops and the AD still felt confident that the DGB problems were behind him. The only reason he chose Missouri in the first place is so his special needs brother would have a chance to watch him play. But the media isn't going to dwell on these kinds of nice family things. Stoops spent time with his parents, and felt confident that the incidents were behind him. DGB knows he is on a short leash, and if he has one problem he's out. He knows he is a very special player that has already seen one opportunity come crashing down. And this is his last chance. Even though it is a gamble that somebody like Stoops wouldn't normally make, I have a feeling that there is more "positives" going on there that the public doesn't know about. I also don't think Boren would have signed off on this deal unless he was confident that DGB had straightened out.

I believe Shannon is gone for a year despite his appeals through the court and not being charged by authorities. Even if Shannon wins the case, which I doubt, Stoops will have his own punishment to give out once he's back. Mixon is going to be suspended. For how long I don't know. If it's up to Stoops probably a year. But it's not up to Stoops. The Mixon situation has been taken out of Stoops hands, and is now a university issue. Most likely because of all of the bad publicity. But if or when he comes back, like the other two players he will be a on a very short leash. This is nothing new for Oklahoma. Unlike Texas, nothing has been swept under the rug at OU. People (JB) seems to forget Stoops and his staff removed a bunch of players from the team 3 years ago. And he's also brought back players from suspension like Dusty Dvorchek and given him a second chance on a short leash. He also brought in Lynn MacGruder, who had his scholly revoked from Tennessee after intent to distribute drugs, and was forced to transfer. Stoops gave him a second chance (like DGB) and he went on to have a very successful career at OU without incident. But the media isn't going to mention these types of things because they aren't "news worthy." Bottom line is these are 3 independent cases that each have to be handled seperately. The problem is the media will lump them all together and give the "casual reader" the impression that all hell is breaking loose in Norman. Right now this is the biggest problem the university faces. And the fact that these 3 players are all on campus at the same time. The easy decision would be to remove all 3 of them. Well, two of them and not consider DGB when he was looking for a place to land. But anybody can make easy decisions. The difficult ones are the ones that feed the media and their cronies. You can bet with all of these players there will be very short leashes and no third chances. That I do know. So far Stoops has an excellent track record with these kinds of players.

 

[tmader7]

Not sure where you're getting your info from GS but it's incorrect. Here was today's starting O-Line in the scrimmage with a small report-

From left to right, Estelle, Flowers, Espinosa, Perkins, and Harrison. This unit had another solid day and they're starting to develop some cohesiveness especially in pre-snap line calls which was a focal point today for Coach Wickline.

And Texas A&M is ranked in every single pre-season poll. Anywhere from 15th to 21st, so I haven't heard of anyone saying A&M is going to have a bad year. When a team is ranked in every single poll I don't consider that as people thinking they're going to have a bad year. You know?

Just gandering before "Pulp Fiction" starts. lol, or has it already? I've seen A&M consistently posted to finish 2nd from the bottom in the West everywhere I've looked, but hey, I'm getting old now and maybe I can't see <grin>. Their O will be abysmal at best....PERIOD. I'm gonna give their D a better nod, with 8 starters back, but let's thing about this....where did the D rank in the conference last year??? You have a coach that wouldn't know defense if it came riding in on Beyonce's ass, coupled with a basically brand new cast of O key players. As stated in another thread, I'll lay the Cocks and 10+ all day long in game one.

~T~

 

[sendacash]

Just gandering before "Pulp Fiction" starts. lol, or has it already? I've seen A&M consistently posted to finish 2nd from the bottom in the West everywhere I've looked, but hey, I'm getting old now and maybe I can't see <grin>. Their O will be abysmal at best....PERIOD. I'm gonna give their D a better nod, with 8 starters back, but let's thing about this....where did the D rank in the conference last year??? You have a coach that wouldn't know defense if it came riding in on Beyonce's ass, coupled with a basically brand new cast of O key players. As stated in another thread, I'll lay the Cocks and 10+ all day long in game one.

~T~

This is a tough game imo as the OBC has lost the killer instinct on the offensive lately as S Caro has been a horrible Fav failing to cover the # in that role. But who wants to back a new QB on the road in his first game in a venue such as this?

 

[jblonghorn]

Shannon is appealing through the courts. That's why he's been allowed to practice and OU can't doing anything about it until the appeals process is over. But he's done for a year. My guess is Mixon is gone too even though his crime was lowered to a misdemeanor. Considering their crimes, I don't see anything out of the ordinary of what any other school would do. Quit acting like it's all on Stoops. The school is the one who evaluates Mixon's status, as well as the others. Stoops tolerates very little. But he believes in second chances AFTER a player has served his punishment. Mack Brown and Texas allowed this kind of stuff for years, and swept it under the rug, as we are now finding out. You've spent years on here talking about how Mack Brown and the university were squeaky clean and could do no wrong. Then Charlie Strong arrives and suddenly half of the team is in trouble. This tells me everything I need to know about the country club atmosphere around Texas. I'm surprised after that embarrassment that you even still come into my threads. Anybody else would have kicked the ground lowered their head and told me "I'm sorry GoSooners, I was wrong all of these years about Texas." You have no shame JB...

Wait- "OU can't do anything about it until the appeals process is over"? You mean he tells Stoops when he takes 1st team reps and when he doesn't?? That can't be. I can understand him not being able to be kicked off the team, but Strong would have him doing up/ downs and running until he vomits for raping a girl, but Stoops can't do anything about him jumping into 1st team reps? And what was I wrong about Texas all these years? We've said for years and years it's been a country club atmosphere, and the last year only proves it. The 7 players that have left (8 after Rahmi Hammad news breaks which you'll hear about soon) were products of the country club atmosphere and therefore can't take real football coaching and are gone. I don't see where I should apologize to you for that? I will give you an apology though if you deserve one. Just explain.

 

[jblonghorn]

I'd be willing to bet you a 6 pack of Pearl Light that Joe Mixon will be wearing an OU uniform come game 1, game 6 and game 12 of this football season. He's too important for Stoops and company to kick off the team.

 

[GoSooners]

Wait- "OU can't do anything about it until the appeals process is over"? You mean he tells Stoops when he takes 1st team reps and when he doesn't?? That can't be. I can understand him not being able to be kicked off the team, but Strong would have him doing up/ downs and running until he vomits for raping a girl, but Stoops can't do anything about him jumping into 1st team reps?

That's exactly what I'm saying. They have to allow Shannon to practice until his appeals process is over. The university has actually threatened to take the case to the Supreme Court to try and get it resolved..

 

[GoSooners]

I'd be willing to bet you a 6 pack of Pearl Light that Joe Mixon will be wearing an OU uniform come game 1, game 6 and game 12 of this football season. He's too important for Stoops and company to kick off the team.

Hard to tell what will happen. If I had to venture to guess, I would say Mixon will probably redshirt...

 

[jblonghorn]

Hard to tell what will happen. If I had to venture to guess, I would say Mixon will probably redshirt...

i admit I was wrong!! My bad. Good on Stoops for standing up to not respecting females!!

 

[GoSooners]

i admit I was wrong!!

We don't call you JBwrongHorn for nothing...

 

[rolltide]

yeah, Tide fucked as well....argh

others were Hundley, Rapeis, and Braxton Miller

one down, 4 to go....

 

[GoSooners]

I just don't see my Sooners at #3. Not when you and I both know that it's all about being a top 10 recruiting program for consecutive years. I think they are ranked that high mainly because of the process of elimination. What other proven power program are they going to put in the top 3 that has done anything lately and not lost a ton of talent? Maybe Oregon, but that's about it. So right now the Sooners are just "the chosen ones" until they can prove otherwise under this new playoff format...If they get there.

 

[GoSooners]

A few interesting takes on the Big 12 by Fox Sports. Especially by Bruce Feldman, who I have a lot of respect for. He was one of the only people that picked Baylor to win the conference last year. And he also picks them this year...





Big 12 preview: In unsettled league, who will threaten Baylor, OU?



Bruce Feldman and Stewart Mandel

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AUG 20, 2014 1:30p ET

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Editor's note: This year, we're eschewing traditional conference previews for more bite-size nuggets of information and insight.
Bruce Feldman and Stewart Mandel have spent the summer visiting teams and speaking with coaches around the country.
What you find below are byproducts of those conversations and their own opinions.
On Monday, we looked at the SEC. Tuesday, the Pac-12 was covered.
Today brings us the Big 12.
SURPRISE TEAM







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TOP 20 PLAYOFF CONTENDERS

• Which teams have the best chance of cracking the inaugural college football playoff? Meet the top 20.

Feldman: West Virginia Mountaineers. Clint Trickett sparked an upset of Top 15 Oklahoma State last season while playing with a banged-up shoulder. The son of FSU O-line coach Rick Trickett has another year in the Mountaineers’ system, and word is he’s been very sharp in fall camp. Better still, head coach Dana Holgorsen, one of the best offensive minds in football, is gonna be more involved with the O this year. WVU’s secondary, led by budding star Daryl Worley, also is primed to hold up in the pass-happy conference.
Mandel: Texas Tech Red Raiders. Kliff Kingsbury’s team started 7-0 last year, lost five straight, then throttled 10-3 Arizona State in the Holiday Bowl. With talented sophomore Davis Webb now entrenched at quarterback and a deeper set of playmakers around him, the Red Raiders will be more consistent and notch at least nine wins.
FLOP TEAM
Feldman: Oklahoma State Cowboys. The Cowboys have won 41 games in the past four seasons, but they lost a vital cog on their staff when longtime O-line coach Joe Wickline, regarded by his peers as one of the best in the business, left for Texas. He’ll be missed, as will standout CB Justin Gilbert, who is one of seven starters on the defensive side gone from last year’s group.
Mandel: Texas Longhorns. Charlie Strong is the right guy to resurrect the Longhorns over the next few years, but Year 1 could be rough. The starting 22 is solid, but Texas lacks the quality depth of its glory days, especially after Strong dismissed a slew of players this offseason. Expect an up-and-down season as the 'Horns adjust to Strong.
BREAKOUT PLAYER







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TOP 25 HEISMAN CANDIDATES

• Who has the best chance of taking home the Heisman Trophy in 2014? Meet the Top 25 candidates.

Feldman: Davis Webb, QB, Texas Tech. He lit up ASU and was MVP of the Red Raiders’ impressive romp over the Sun Devils in last year’s Holiday Bowl, and the 6-foot-5, 220-pound sophomore is just getting warmed up. Don’t be surprised if Webb makes it to NYC as a Heisman finalist in the next two seasons. He’s that talented, and he’s in a potent system. Kingsbury says Webb has the strongest arm of any QB to come through Tech, and he’s also extremely cerebral and determined.
Mandel: Tyreek Hill, RB/WR, Oklahoma State. The track star-fast juco transfer has been the talk of preseason camp with his supreme playmaking abilities. Cowboys coach Mike Gundy has said he’d like to get Hill 15 to 20 touches per game, utilizing him in much the way West Virginia did with former star Tavon Austin.
IMPACT FRESHMAN
Feldman: K.D. Cannon, WR, Baylor: As if the Bears needed any more weapons on offense, Art Briles reeled in another big-play man in the five-star recruit who everyone wanted. Briles said Baylor never would’ve had a shot to land a coveted talent like the 5-11, 160-pounder a few years ago until the Bears started piling up wins. QB Bryce Petty said Cannon has the explosiveness of former Bear star Tevin Reese, only the new kid is even more explosive and more fluid than the guy who averaged 23 yards per catch last season. Watch out, Big 12.
Mandel: Allen Lazard, WR, Iowa State. The most touted Iowa State signee in recent memory – a Top 50 national recruit from Urbandale, Iowa – has lived up to the hype since arriving on campus. He’ll likely start from Day 1 and could become a much-needed big-play threat for the Cyclones’ long-struggling offense.
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TOP 10 SURPRISE TEAMS

• Which teams could exceed expectations in 2014? Let's rank America's Top 10 surprise candidates for 2014.

Feldman: Charlie Weis, Kansas. This has been a dreadful fit. The guy who once boasted of some kind of “decided schematic advantage” presided over the nation’s No. 121 offense in 2013. He’s just 4-20 in two seasons and 1-17 in conference play. There’s been plenty of talk about how dysfunctional the program he’s running has been, and to make matters worse KU just lost his top two running backs to season-ending injuries. And that came on the heels of Traevohn Wrench, a four-star recruit, failing to qualify academically and ending up at a Kansas JC. Expecting more than three wins seems like a stretch, and that’d probably still be only about half of what he’s gonna need to get another season.
Mandel: Weis. The Jayhawks’ resident schematic genius is 1-17 so far in Big 12 play. It may be that sophomore starting quarterback Montell Cozart – who beat out veteran Jake Heaps, prompting his transfer to Miami – may be the spark Weis has been missing. It will still be tough to find his way to bowl eligibility.
THREE MAKE-OR-BREAK POSITION GROUPS
1) Texas quarterbacks: Charlie Strong takes over a team with a lot of experience on D and a couple of very good running backs. The O-line’s been underwhelming but not any more than the QB play has been since Colt McCoy left Austin. Can David Ash stay healthy? Or be consistent? If not, freshman Jerrod Heard may be forced into action much sooner than UT coaches hope. The schedule also isn’t very forgiving.
2) Oklahoma wide receivers: Much has been made of the case of former Mizzou standout Dorial Green-Beckham, but the real challenge is replacing almost every viable receiver the Sooners had in 2013. Only Sterling Shepard and Durron Neal have experience. Freshman Michiah Quick lives up to his last name and looks like he’s going to provide much-needed help, as should fellow freshmen Dallis Todd, Jeffery Mead and Mark Andrews; each are towering targets. Still, that’s leaning on a lot of inexperience.
3) Baylor secondary: The Bears have loads of firepower, and a couple of difference-makers on the D-line and some speed and savvy at linebacker anchored by the underrated Bryce Hager. But the real pressure will be on a new secondary, which does have some time before facing the Big 12’s best passers, who don’t show up on the schedule until the second-half of the season.
-- Feldman
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ON THE HOT SEAT

• As the 2014 season begins, some coaches are fighting for their jobs. Here are eight guys on the hot seat.

1)BYU at Texas, Sept 6: The Longhorns’ Week 3 game against a Top 10 UCLA team could have playoff implications, but it’s this one against a Cougar team that mauled UT last year that figures to show how far Strong’s new team has come.
2)Oklahoma at Texas Tech, Nov. 15: All eyes will be on the Sooners a week earlier when they host Baylor, who has never beaten OU in Norman. If they do handle the Bears, this one against a dangerous Red Raiders squad will be tricky, especially at Jones Stadium.
3)Auburn at K-State, Sept. 18: Gus Malzahn’s system typically gives defenses fits, although the defending SEC champs should get a legit test here from a very disciplined Wildcats team that should be amped up to host an SEC heavyweight on a Thursday night stage.
-- Feldman
MORE BIG 12 INTEL
* Between the camp injury of Jaxon Shipley and the suspensions of Daje Johnson and Marcus Johnson, Texas was hurting at wideout, but speedy freshman Armanti Foreman has shown in camp that he’s ready to provide UT a spark.
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* Texas Tech was sorely lacking in heft on its D-line last year. The Red Raiders think they have the answer for that in 350-pound JC transfer Rika Levi, who wowed Kliff Kingsbury’s staff on his recruiting visit when he ripped a thick phonebook in half with his bare hands. Levi’s power isn’t in doubt, but his conditioning -- he’s shed 30 pounds since arriving in Lubbock -- still is, although he has flashed some burst at August scrimmages.
* Four of K-State’s seven team captains are former walk-ons. "It shows buying into the system really works,” said standout LB Jonathan Truman.
* Blue-chip recruit Allen Lazard, one of the most hyped recruits in Iowa State history, brings much-needed size and play-making skills to the Cyclones offense, which was 96[SUP]th[/SUP] in the country in pass plays of 20 yards or longer last season.
* One area of concern for the Stoops brothers regarding the Sooners’ D: forcing more turnovers. Last season, OU was No. 112 in fumbles forced. Two years ago, the Sooners were No. 121.
-- Feldman and Mandel
BIG 12 PREDICTED ORDER OF FINISH

Feldman's picks	Mandel's picks
1) Baylor	1) Oklahoma*
2) Oklahoma	1) Baylor
3) Texas Tech	3) Kansas State
4) Texas	4) Texas Tech
5) Kansas State	5) Oklahoma State
6) Oklahoma State	6) Texas
7) West Virginia	7) TCU
8) TCU	8) West Virginia
9) Iowa State	9) Iowa State
10) Kansas	10) Kansas
	* Oklahoma wins tiebreaker

 

[russ1945]

"I'm not weird, I'm a limited edition" ( I keep thinking of the Edsel LOL)

 

[GoSooners]

"I'm not weird, I'm a limited edition" ( I keep thinking of the Edsel LOL)

The way people drive around here, sometimes I wish I had an Edsel. That car was as safe as a tank!