I agree, I think PSU could be good fade material once conference play starts. OSU on the other hand, I have a feeling will be better than most cappers think and undervalued early. Not saying I will take them vs. USC but I will probably be on them early. Everyone is focussed on Pryor not being able to pass and think they lost too much to the draft. They will reload with good talent at LB and WR. The O-line which was very suspect last year will be better and that will be a big difference now that they have a stable, experienced QB to start the season. Not many people talk about it, but Ohio St. got a lot better last year as the season progressed. The fact that they came up short against Texas in the Fiesta Bowl was enough to keep the overall perspective on the Bucks way down.
I am glad to see that nothing has changed at Michigan over the summer. Does anyone see more than 5 wins for this team in 2009? I think they lose all of their away games, and home games to Notre Dame, Penn State and Ohio State. I guess if they can get a win on the road, they can get to 6 wins and become eligable to get beat in a bowl game, like most Big 10 teams do. I do not see a lot of improvment in 2010 either, and the schedule goes against them, with trips to South Bend, College Park, and Columbus. The good news for 2010 is that they have already scheduled FCS UMass and Bowling Green. They have one more openeing left on their schedule, so you can look for another FCS or MAC school to fill that. MIchigan would not dare schedule a good team from a BCS Conference to play them. Those days are over. Too many embarrasing losses to the likes of Oregon and Utah at home.
Nonsense, Big Daddy. Michigan wins at least 6 or 7 this year, and probably at least 9 next year. Don't underestimate the power of the Rodriguez...Michigan wins at least 2 of 3 against the Irish, Nittany Chipmunks, and Bucknuts in 2010...mark it down, you heard it here first. Michigan's worm has turned.
Be serious. You are trying to tell me that Michigan defeats Notre Dame or Ohio State on the road next season? No way. Tis team is a far cry from the one that could dominate the Big 10 minus Ohio State, and even those teams could not handle a good BCS non-con team. Michigan has now joined the masses in the Big 10. Ohio State is way ahead of them in recruiting and current talent. There is NO WAY that Michigan beats either one of those teams in 2010. They may get past a Penn State team ravaged by graduation next year, though the game is in State College. Let's face it. If they are not cream puffs, Michigan can't beat them. This team would not finish in the top half of the Pac 10, SEC, Big 12, or ACC this year or next.
Well, we'll just have to wait and see, won't we? If you think Rich Rodriguez or anyone associated with the Michigan football program will be satisfied with permanent mediocrity, I'm afraid you're making a big mistake.
Mediocre Michigan will once again become Dominant Michigan, and sooner rather than later. Underrate them at your own peril.
No surprise with them being picked #1, it was pretty much coin flip between them and PSU. Now Pryor as POY is kinda out there. I guess I thought there could be value since most of what I have read indicates they will be taking a step down from last year. I guess we'll be able to tell for sure when the week 1 lines comes out.
I think the media picking Ohio St #1 is pretty accurrate...their only other real choice is Penn St...
They picked Michigan St 3rd, Illinois 4th and Iowa 5th....that is pretty much a toss-up.
As for Pryor....dead on. Juice Williams is a terrible QB. Great arm, great talent, but just a horrible QB. As for Darryl Clark...someone mistakenly told him he was playing FB this year instead of QB...so he put on about 10-12lbs of muscle...smart move...
hno:The Big Ten is almost to the point where as a confrence...they don;t matter any more...
Ohio St HAS to beat USC...plain and simple
:lol: spoken like a true UM fan....My prediction of 6-7 wins this year is only if the sun and all of the stars are in-line....they are resting this season on a new defensive coordinator....a freshman qb who is not as good as people think and a HC who still doesn't have a clue...they will be lucky after the season if anyone refers to them as "mediocre Michigan...." because they are just plain awful Michigan right now...
Remains to be seen, fballplaya. No denying they were awful last year, but that was LAST year. They might be awful again, but then again, they might not. That's why they have to play the games. Regardless, the WMU game should give a pretty decent indication of which direction the Michigan program might be headed.
Dominant? When? Michigan may have been what you call "dominant" in the Big 10, but who cares. The Big 10 is a terrible conference. Just when was Michigan "dominant"? Let's see. Ohio State has won the last 5 games, so we can forget about the last 5 years. The Pac 10 has kicked the caca out of them recently. So tell me when Michigan was a "dominant" team? "Dominant" teams do not lose 3 straight BCS Bowl games. "Dominant" teams do not have 1-6 records against the Pac 10 in the past 9 years. This is the problem with all of you Michigan homers. You think your team is a fine steak, when in fact all they are is a hamburger off the McDonalds Dollar menu. When you can beat a Pac 10 team, let me know. Until then, they are just another Big 10 team looking for a bowl game to lose.
Ohio St is going to be very talented and actually pretty deep at RB for a change....all signs point to Brandon Saine being healthy and frankly, being a beast this season. Boom Herron is a nice player and it is too early to see where Jamaal Berry fits in the picture...
As for the O-line...I'll take their LG-C-RG combo over anyones in the country...Boren at LG and Brewster at C will be All-Big Ten...Bryant, moving in from T has that type of size and talent also...Cordle looks to be the starter at RT this season (moving out from C-G). He will provide a much more athletic option at RT to counter more athletic DE's that gave OSU fits last season....the huge question mark is at LT....Mike Adams has all of the potential in the world to be a major contributor, however the rumor is that cream puffs are tougher then he is....we'll see....the line will be much improved as a whole over the Alex Boone (who could be the biggest POS to ever wear an OSU uniform) Rehring and Person led line of last year...
Pryor is as talented as any QB in the country...we all know he can run, but we will see otherwise. I expect his passing and his poise in the pocket to be much much improved.
The loss of Robiskie and Hartline in my opinion is not a big deal at all. They made it known from Day 1 of TP taking over at QB that neither was happy....and their play on the field at times proved it....Small, Posey, Carter, Thomas and Sanzenbacher provide an aspect OSU receivers haven't had in a few years....SPEED. The combo of Ballard and Stonrbrunner at TE are as solid as any in the country...
Now for the defense...the Defensive line SHOULD be one of the top D-line units in the country. I say "should," because frankly I am not sold. Their biggest problem last year was they couldn't pressure the QB. Sure Gibson got to the QB on occasion, but McCoy picked Ohio St apart last Fiesta Bowl because he had all day to pass and was never pressured...why would this season be any different?....the d-line is indeed deep and for all intents and purposes....talented. Cameron Heyward needs a bounce back type season and Lawrence Wilson needs a healthy one. Goebel, Larimore and Denlinger eat up space in the middle, however neither brings anytihng in way of a pass rush...people should get to know the name Solomon Thomas...dude had 7 sacks in their annual jersey scrimmage this spring...hard to ignore...
Sure the loss of Big Game James and Marcus Freeman will be huge, but moreso from a leadership standpoint in my opinion. No doubt Lauranitis was huge both on and off the field, but I got tired of seeing the back of Freeman's jersey on passing downs as he chased the receiver down the field... They are always deep at LB and this year is no different. Homan is back at one of the OLB positions....Spitler finally gets his crack in the middle...and a name people should get to know...Tyler Moeller looks to be the favorite at the other OLB position...a bit undersized, he is a ballhawk and was in virtually on every play during the Spring Game. Sabino and Rolle should also see a lot of time as well....
Losing Malcolm Jenkins....HUGE! Chikwas has All-Big Ten written all over him. Coleman and Russell already are All-Big Ten...that leaves Andre Amos at the other corner....no big drop-off their...
Can Ohio St go 12-0. Yes. Will they? The season relies on 5 key factors....
TP as a passer...
The left tackle position...
The d-line putting pressure on the QB...
USC at home at night on Sept 12
Penn St in Happy Valley on Nov 9th
I think they go 11-1 and play in the Rose Bowl....
As for the O-line...I'll take their LG-C-RG combo over anyones in the country...Boren at LG and Brewster at C will be All-Big Ten...Bryant, moving in from T has that type of size and talent also...Cordle looks to be the starter at RT this season (moving out from C-G). He will provide a much more athletic option at RT to counter more athletic DE's that gave OSU fits last season....the huge question mark is at LT....Mike Adams has all of the potential in the world to be a major contributor, however the rumor is that cream puffs are tougher then he is....we'll see....the line will be much improved as a whole over the Alex Boone (who could be the biggest POS to ever wear an OSU uniform) Rehring and Person led line of last year...
Pryor is as talented as any QB in the country...we all know he can run, but we will see otherwise. I expect his passing and his poise in the pocket to be much much improved.
The loss of Robiskie and Hartline in my opinion is not a big deal at all. They made it known from Day 1 of TP taking over at QB that neither was happy....and their play on the field at times proved it....Small, Posey, Carter, Thomas and Sanzenbacher provide an aspect OSU receivers haven't had in a few years....SPEED. The combo of Ballard and Stonrbrunner at TE are as solid as any in the country...
Now for the defense...the Defensive line SHOULD be one of the top D-line units in the country. I say "should," because frankly I am not sold. Their biggest problem last year was they couldn't pressure the QB. Sure Gibson got to the QB on occasion, but McCoy picked Ohio St apart last Fiesta Bowl because he had all day to pass and was never pressured...why would this season be any different?....the d-line is indeed deep and for all intents and purposes....talented. Cameron Heyward needs a bounce back type season and Lawrence Wilson needs a healthy one. Goebel, Larimore and Denlinger eat up space in the middle, however neither brings anytihng in way of a pass rush...people should get to know the name Solomon Thomas...dude had 7 sacks in their annual jersey scrimmage this spring...hard to ignore...
Sure the loss of Big Game James and Marcus Freeman will be huge, but moreso from a leadership standpoint in my opinion. No doubt Lauranitis was huge both on and off the field, but I got tired of seeing the back of Freeman's jersey on passing downs as he chased the receiver down the field... They are always deep at LB and this year is no different. Homan is back at one of the OLB positions....Spitler finally gets his crack in the middle...and a name people should get to know...Tyler Moeller looks to be the favorite at the other OLB position...a bit undersized, he is a ballhawk and was in virtually on every play during the Spring Game. Sabino and Rolle should also see a lot of time as well....
Losing Malcolm Jenkins....HUGE! Chikwas has All-Big Ten written all over him. Coleman and Russell already are All-Big Ten...that leaves Andre Amos at the other corner....no big drop-off their...
Can Ohio St go 12-0. Yes. Will they? The season relies on 5 key factors....
TP as a passer...
The left tackle position...
The d-line putting pressure on the QB...
USC at home at night on Sept 12
Penn St in Happy Valley on Nov 9th
I think they go 11-1 and play in the Rose Bowl....
Thatis certainly possible, but I still think that they have a huge test at Pen State, especially since they play such a soft schedule on the road in the Big 10. A schedule that is really shameful, but it is not Ohio State's fault that the Big 10 has stumbled on such terrible times. It is their fault that they are only willing to schedule 4 to 5 away games a year and insist on playing patsies in their non-con schedule. As unbelieveable as it sounds, their non-con schedule gets easier next year. Because the fact that Ohio State plays teams that my local high school could beat on the road, they will not be prepared for their trip to Happy Valley.
no, I'm not a Michigan fan and I don't think they have been a dominant football team but...
BDHQ,
You have to be one of the biggest D-Bags on this forum. All you do is try to tout the PAC 10 and have absolutely no useful information when it comes to betting on CFB. Your just another loser that tries to have a pissing contest with every posters they can about how their team or conference sucks and is nothing compared to the mighty PAC 10. It gets so old. Please just start posting your garbage in THERODFATHER's CFB thread and spare the rest of us about your bullsh*t betting group that pools together thousands of dollars. Your betting group is probably a bunch of fags that get together on Saturday to have a pile on.
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