Beware Bookmaker 2 scams today involving RX members

[scottcarter]

Off topic but you are just sugar coating it. Being "recreational" and being a "loser" goes hand in hand. Of course anybody can win on any given day but no "recreational" bettor will win in the long run. So yes books want losing players. Thats why it is an unsustainable model long term as the moment it is legalized the p2p exchanges will take over. Those are the only entities that do not care what side you are on and let you win. Any regular book, offshore or not, is just a glorified clip joint.

well its not that easy to make such a blanket statement. Let's be realistic, Vegas and Reno aren't built on winners. Neither are horse tracks, land based casinos all over the world including ones on Indian land and online. Lotteries make millions while only a small percentage ever win anything. I can go on and on. Its gambling and unlike games of chance, there are some people that do very well at sports betting. Those players don't need bonuses to help their chances of winning but some will try. I don't blame them. But bonuses aren't for constant winners but are usually meant for those that aren't winning. To help increase their chances.

I see you're in Costa Rica, so I assume that you do or have worked at a book.

Think of it this way perhaps ..... if you are a huge loser in Vegas, they will comp your entire stay and even fly you in. Sure, we all know they do this hoping that you lose a ton of money and if you do win, they will do what they can to get you back as soon as possible because they know you will eventually give it all back and then some. That's the thing with gambling, people keep chasing that high they get from winning. All these gambling places know this. Regardless if its online or land based. I know this and I still bet. So do most people. If you are playing at a book that offers bonuses and you are losing, you will likely be offered bonuses. If you are always winning, then you likely won't be offered bonuses and you probably don't need them.

 

[worldstage]

I see you're in Costa Rica, so I assume that you do or have worked at a book.

Incorrect... although I have extensive gambling experience (as a bettor).

The difference with the land based casinos and the shady offshore shops is that the land based casinos don't make up arbitrary rules like they aren't crediting a promised bonus or comp for that matter. If they advertise something they have to deliver it. Bookmaker on the other hand with no regulation, can just say "sorry, management decided no to give you the bonus and we aren't giving you any additional information as to why". Which is the same as saying "fuck you punk". Personally I can't support this as a fair business practice, no matter how suspect the business actually is. Its like if you are buying an ounce of weed and you pay the dealer and he gives you a half ounce. Its not like you can complain to any regulatory body, but you have still been cheated. In fairness to Bookmaker, we are taking the OP's story as gospel. Would be nice to hear the book's side of the story. Maybe there is something the OP is leaving out that is a critical omission?

 

[worldstage]

To be clear I've never bet with Bookmaker or heard anything bad about the operation, but I just don't understand the logic of scottcarter coming in to defend the book for not honoring a promised bonus upon deposit. To me - without additional information - it sounds like a bait and switch. I don't think that players should just have to accept the fact that a book doesn't deliver as promised but they get a free pass because they pay when so many others don't. I'd like to hear from the book their side of the story. Maybe there is a legitimate reason that the OP omitted.

 

[scottcarter]

Incorrect... although I have extensive gambling experience (as a bettor).

The difference with the land based casinos and the shady offshore shops is that the land based casinos don't make up arbitrary rules like they aren't crediting a promised bonus or comp for that matter. If they advertise something they have to deliver it. Bookmaker on the other hand with no regulation, can just say "sorry, management decided no to give you the bonus and we aren't giving you any additional information as to why". Which is the same as saying "fuck you punk". Personally I can't support this as a fair business practice, no matter how suspect the business actually is. Its like if you are buying an ounce of weed and you pay the dealer and he gives you a half ounce. Its not like you can complain to any regulatory body, but you have still been cheated. In fairness to Bookmaker, we are taking the OP's story as gospel. Would be nice to hear the book's side of the story. Maybe there is something the OP is leaving out that is a critical omission?

well I can tell you that you aren't correct with your assessment. First of all the rules are clearly posted on the website and second, you can always call or live chat any book and they will be glad to explain these bonus rules for anyone to understand. People like to blame even though the rules are clearly stated. So you are wrong when you say " arbitrary rules". Again, not speaking for every single book out there but BM is the largest private book for a reason. Many are great books that clearly post the rules and/or will clearly explain them if needed.

Read the back on a concert ticket or sporting event. They also have the right to refuse entry. Yet, there is always one or two that won't adhere to the rules and will be kicked out while the vast majority will enjoy the show and never be kicked out or have any problems all their lives going to dozens of events. I think we all know someone that always gets into trouble and always is the victim. You roll your eyes and say "whatever".

You have only one point of view from someone that posted a live chat. You cannot be sure it wasn't altered in anyway. Its easy to do. Man, believe when I tell you I have seen it happen more times than I can count. Nit saying the OP is not being 100% honest but I have seen where guys will go on chat, post the chat that I CHATTED with the person, then they proceeded to post the chat on a forum but purposely omitted parts of the chat. I even posted the whole chat in a reply. Many posters came to my defense and called the player a liar. Deservingly so I might add. Don't believe everything posted by someone to be 100% factual. I know better because I have seen it.

Just ask yourself, why do you want regulation? How has government regulation worked for the most part in any type of business? They usually fuck shit up and will take bribes to look the other way. I believe in choice. Regulated or not. You get to choose. BM for example pays millions to their players every month and one guy has a complaint about a 15% bonuses they aren't able to receive and you compare them to a drug dealer pinching weed? Think about it.

 

[worldstage]

You have only one point of view from someone that posted a live chat.

In all fairness I did suggest that I would like to hear the book's side of this story before reaching any conclusion.

From the alleged chat however it doesn't seem like the book gave any explanation.

If the rule is posted and agreed to before the deposit is made, why not cite it to the player?

Just posting random rules does not constitute consumer acceptance of these rules.

Something like a "read our terms and click here to accept them" before making the deposit would do it, but I don't know if they have that?

Like I said, I'm not familiar with Bookmaker or their policies. Maybe somebody from the company can explain in more detail and explain this specific case?

 

[scottcarter]

In all fairness I did suggest that I would like to hear the book's side of this story before reaching any conclusion.

From the alleged chat however it doesn't seem like the book gave any explanation.

If the rule is posted and agreed to before the deposit is made, why not cite it to the player?

Just posting random rules does not constitute consumer acceptance of these rules.

Something like a "read our terms and click here to accept them" before making the deposit would do it, but I don't know if they have that?

how do you know that didn't take place? Think about it, you don't think customer service at any of these books knows about the internet and that guys will scream bloody murder and post stuff online? They are trained very well to explain things to players and they do a great job. I have seen it first hand. The management value the business of the clientele. Wouldn't you if your job entailed it?

anyways, just telling you what I know, believe it or don't.