BetPanAm's IMPACT on the sports book industry

WalkofLife · Nov 4, 2003

Max:

Intuition Bet is as cheap a shill as it gets. First of all, he likes to make gratuitious statements and he loves to insult those posters that dare to disagree with his obviously biased opinion.

As a matter of fact, once he reads this, the guy will attack me and tell me I'm stalking him. But check it out, I have called him out before and he refused to have an intelligent and rational discussion of ideas. Let me back up what I'm saying with sound facts:

In this thread (Robert De Niro has Cancer he said:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Walk of Life - Enough is enough dude go away. Stalk Stalk Stalk...what a big man.

Ever heard of a Freudian Slip?

Read the above you just wrote.

Seriously STOP the stalking.

You just Fuked up thisd thread like your buddies TTinCo etc.

I'm really BORED and TIRED of these B.S. personal attacks.

Dante kick this punks butt out of here....nothing but polution.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

To which I responded:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>IB:

Lighten up dude. I'm just fvcking with ya. I don't give a shit if you think I'm stalking your sorry ass, I have never flamed you before and you know it; so take a Xanax, have a beer and enjoy MNF.

Peace

P.S.: Dude, I thought it was a good joke<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

He wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Walk - BullSh*t -yes you have flamed me before...do a search dudette. And Yes I read the lies you post on that other punks site.

Give it up man as YOU look like a FOOL.

Your Freudian Slip above paints you as a Bisexual...but whatever turns you on I guess <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I replied:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Listen IB:

I won't back off just because you write tough. I don't know you and I don't care to ever getting to fvcking know you. I will back off, because you're not worth the aggravation.

If you're so sure I have flamed you in the past, show me one post that it's not the one that I specifically addressed to you and SPIVE. Show me one, just one. Either in this site or any other site.

Who do you think you are? Don't talk to me like that, you big guy. If you want to discuss this in a civilized manner, let's start by addressing the issue at hand: show me 1 post where I bash IB. Just one. Post the link here, if you will.
We will continue the discussion after that, Or just dodge the core of the matter and resource to your big guy talk. Your call.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

As he's got nothing to back up his arguments, he just decided to let it die. Not much of an idea exchange there.

Everytime he posts some of his shill threads, he expects people to accept whatever he's saying as a God-given rule or some shit like that.

If anybody cares to stop to think for one second, you'll notice that D2bets is resorting to no cursing when addressing IB. Whereas IB is using words lie "BullSchit", check it out:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>D2bets - Cut off the bullsh*t. YES you have an agenda here as you just proved that by what you just posted above in this thread and the fact you just started another thread about the same subject and complaint <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Intuition Bet I got news for you, this IS a public forum where posters are free to express an opinion. Why do you feel you need to bully them around for voicing what's on their mind?

And please DON'T say I have an AGENDA against BetPanAm. As a matter of fact, let me show you a post that reflects what my opinion is, in a very clear way (Thread:New List of Books by Joey C ):

Originally posted by Walk of Life October 29, 2003 @ 05:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>List of books that do not get legitimate complaints:

-Pinnacle
-Hollywood
-Cascade
-BC Bets
-Grande
-Heritage
-Jazz
-BetPanAm (although they are fairly new as a company in the offshore industry)

For better or worst, these shops have been pretty much free of legitimate complaints. That's a fact that can easily be backed up by simply doing a search on them. Period.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So, that much for an agenda. Now, Intuition Bet, are you or are you not a close friend with one of the principals (the Marketing Manager, to be specific) of BetPanAm. Do you bet, Intuition Bet? What are you riding on tonite?

DO US ALL A FAVOR:

***YOU CUT OFF THE CRAP. IF YOU WANNA TOUT YOUR FRIENDS' SHOPS, GO AHEAD, BUT DO NOT ATTACK POSTERS THAT DISAGREE WITH YOU***

Thanks God the shops you shill for are all great shops, but not because of the shill campaigns you run for them. I'd dare to say you might end up costing them players, in the long run.

PATRICK, DANTE AND GENERAL:

Before you ask me to calm down, please note I'm NOT attacking the poster, I'm attacking his biased posts.

And before you lock this baby up, please understand some of us cannot simply remain in silence when the insinuations and concealed attacks to other shops from the poster known as Intuition Bet are definitely crossing the line. Run any campaig you guys want, but do not expect to have a deafining silence from the parts affected.

Walk

WalkofLife · Nov 4, 2003

Once again, Intuition Bet refuses to have a rational discussion based on facts.

I'm outta here, maybe you will feel like starting one of your monologues in my absence, if so go right ahead.

I only hope they don't lock the thread after your ranting, it would only be fair to let me reply in case you choose to rant against me.

Catch you later, IB grandissima schifosa.

W

IntuitionBET · Nov 4, 2003

Tablarasa - I take it you don't get it. BTW their 20% bonus offer ended tonight and was only a temp offer for their Centenial Celebration. BIG difference from offering it all the time.

Walk of Life - Get over it dude. I'm not going to answer your B.S. accusations and get into a pissing match which is what you want.

I suppose even after you posted the above your gonna say you don't stalk me

dr.chau · Nov 4, 2003

No 2nd half NCAA Football sucks!

Tablarasa · Nov 4, 2003

I think I get it pretty well, IB.

GA was offering limited run bonuses last week, werent they?

Everyone seems to have good things to say about BetPanam, that is great. They didn't invent anything that I know of though, but happy they seem to suit all of your gambling needs.

Al Gore didn't invent the Internet. BetPanam didn't invent reduced juice. And perhaps all these people you think are feeling pressure, and changing because of them, are just finally joining the dance that Pinnacle and IIS have been dancing to for some time?

curt · Nov 4, 2003

After the Gamblers Avenue debacle,I could not put money into BetPanAm. I wanted to do so badly with their reduced juice and 20% bonus. However,I am seeing too many new books go under and will only stay with the best like Pinnacle and Hollywwod.

BillDozer · Nov 4, 2003

IB
I doubt that bonus will be over tonight atleast not for all of us.

I also like panam but they havent done anything yet.
Posters telling the book marketers that they won;t play there because its -110 is doing much more. The fact that Pinnacle has 70% of the reduced juice market and I dunno what percent of the overall market is why its changing. The people behind panam are from pinnacle and know what works and if they make it to elite status that will be why. I would reccomend them right now but they aren't solely responsible for any movemet. They are apart of the competition chain and right now their competition is Hollywood.

IntuitionBET · Nov 4, 2003

BillDozer - I agree with you Pinnacle has most of the discount market and that will not change. BetpanAm was the begining of a chain reaction competition to offer 107.

Yes I heard the 20% bonus offer was extended thru tomorrow.

krackman · Nov 4, 2003

IB nothing against you and you do know I am a fan of panam but you cannot come here and expect posters to agree that betpanam has a "major impact on the industry" and not expect to get shelled.

The whole basis of the thread is ridiculous and the proof is in the pudding. Just look at the people that have responded in this thread. Some of these guys are quality posters and when they speak even I listen.

The 20% is a great offer from this book. After what has happened with gamblers ave giving away 25% last week and not being able to pay today it hurts ALL OF THE BOOKS. I myself have went to Panama to check out the credentials of the people that own the book. Between the owners and the guys that are running the place I have given my full backing of the book. Some of that stuff you wrote above is just going way to overboard. Do you think people are actually trying to "emulate betpanam"? One thing in business I have learned is never put my competitors down. Let them burn on there own and don't throw stones.

IntuitionBET · Nov 4, 2003

krackman - You may be right. I wasn't trying to knock any book in particular even though some may have taken it that way. Just my way of saying to newbies "Watch out for new books offering discount juice etc"

Let's revisit this subject in 12 months and see where everyone it at.

SrMuny · Nov 5, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Intuition BET:
krackman "Watch out for new books offering discount juice etc"

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

How long has BETPANAM been in BIZ?

jwunderdog · Nov 5, 2003

I was thinking the same thing Sr Muny.

neilm · Nov 5, 2003

Their timeout settings are retarded.

They leave early so no west coast 2Hs and no central or west games graded until the AM.

I guess if thats all I have to complain about, then so far so good. I like the book. Hope they are around for a long time.

I also love the trend towards reduced vig. That really puts the pressure on the -110 shops. If they don't offer something really beneficial to the players (early lines, large limits, different numbers etc.), the reasons to play there are evaporating quickly.

Thrillseeker · Jan 24, 2004

ROTFLMAO at this thread...

This belongs in the "Worst Schill Hall of Shame" ....

BillDozer · Jan 24, 2004

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> I would reccomend them right now but they aren't solely responsible for any movement. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> by myself

Thats just about enough to shut me up for a while.

garyg · Jan 24, 2004

BetPanam has NO BUSINESS........they will be done in another week or 2 so beware.

Halifax · Jan 24, 2004

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Intuition BET:
krackman - You may be right. I wasn't trying to knock any book in particular even though some may have taken it that way. Just my way of saying to newbies "Watch out for new books offering discount juice etc"

Let's revisit this subject in 12 months and see where everyone it at.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Mods (past, present, future) and Shrink:

Once again a reminder - when you let a guy like Intuition Bet have free rein over the posting forum for 6 months, it may come back to haunt you.

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Hey, IB:

Why wait 12 months - it's 3 months later, come back in and shoot the shit with us.

lander · Jan 24, 2004

Did anyone else notice that IB and Roberto disappeared at roughly the same time?

TheGeneral+ · Jan 24, 2004

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by lander:
Did anyone else notice that IB and Roberto disappeared at roughly the same time?

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, I thought rather odd as well.

Halifax · Jan 24, 2004

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by lander:
Did anyone else notice that IB and Roberto disappeared at roughly the same time?

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Something to do with the Restraining Order thingy